Miley Cyrus...

I think Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber should get married.

I love crass!

Bach took tavern tunes and made cantatas. Mozart's greatest opera is about a rapist/murderer, and it's a comedy.

It's so damn predictable for the older generation to think of the next one as breaking all the rules and so much worse than before.

Meh.

I'm 32, dude. And Mozart was never on primetime TV...so far as I recall... but, I think a lot of the ideas just come from people who aren't exposed to a lot of that stuff....

Personally, I think people are being way to judgmental and harsh towards Miley. She's an adult, she's legal, just leave her alone. Is she hurting you? No. Just shut up, you all sound like catty highschool girls the way you go on about her.

Yes, she is an adult. But she is being self destructive by selling herself like she is. I like to call women out who encourage men to view us as objects.

Says the woman showing plenty of skin in her pictures...

She's not doing it to sell albums. Miley has been using her body as if it's the only thing that defines her as an artist. That's called objectifying yourself. There's a difference between showing skin and showing off your body and objectifying yourself.

Yeah. A difference.

Just not a relevant one unless you subscribe to patriarchal mores.

We live in a patriarchal society. You can't exactly "not subscribe". She's making the statement that her music and her mind come second to her body. That's a statement that's easily transmitted to young girls. And that makes it dangerous. How women are represented in the media has a profound impact on how girls do in school, what goals they make for themselves, and how they choose to value themselves.

I'm pretty sure you can "not subscribe", or at least be actively fighting your subscription by refusing to pay the bill and sending back the magazines.

Personally, I think people are being way to judgmental and harsh towards Miley. She's an adult, she's legal, just leave her alone. Is she hurting you? No. Just shut up, you all sound like catty highschool girls the way you go on about her.

Yes, she is an adult. But she is being self destructive by selling herself like she is. I like to call women out who encourage men to view us as objects.

Says the woman showing plenty of skin in her pictures...

She's not doing it to sell albums. Miley has been using her body as if it's the only thing that defines her as an artist. That's called objectifying yourself. There's a difference between showing skin and showing off your body and objectifying yourself.

Yeah. A difference.

Just not a relevant one unless you subscribe to patriarchal mores.

IMO I think class is the issue for me now. I don't mind skin, or sexuality, but I can't stand crassness...even from people/musicians I actually LIKE...

You just dissed the entire genre of Punk. This makes me sad.

Personally, I think people are being way to judgmental and harsh towards Miley. She's an adult, she's legal, just leave her alone. Is she hurting you? No. Just shut up, you all sound like catty highschool girls the way you go on about her.

Yes, she is an adult. But she is being self destructive by selling herself like she is. I like to call women out who encourage men to view us as objects.

Says the woman showing plenty of skin in her pictures...

She's not doing it to sell albums. Miley has been using her body as if it's the only thing that defines her as an artist. That's called objectifying yourself. There's a difference between showing skin and showing off your body and objectifying yourself.

Yeah. A difference.

Just not a relevant one unless you subscribe to patriarchal mores.

We live in a patriarchal society. You can't exactly "not subscribe". She's making the statement that her music and her mind come second to her body. That's a statement that's easily transmitted to young girls. And that makes it dangerous. How women are represented in the media has a profound impact on how girls do in school, what goals they make for themselves, and how they choose to value themselves.

I'm pretty sure you can "not subscribe", or at least be actively fighting your subscription by refusing to pay the bill and sending back the magazines.

I think we are being trolled here. :flowerforyou:

And BTW. Your effin' chocolate donuts are causing ME to sin in my heart.

NO. Just NO.

If she wants to stick her tongue out all the time, she should at least brush it.
Just looks nasty.

Personally, I think people are being way to judgmental and harsh towards Miley. She's an adult, she's legal, just leave her alone. Is she hurting you? No. Just shut up, you all sound like catty highschool girls the way you go on about her.

Yes, she is an adult. But she is being self destructive by selling herself like she is. I like to call women out who encourage men to view us as objects.

Says the woman showing plenty of skin in her pictures...

She's not doing it to sell albums. Miley has been using her body as if it's the only thing that defines her as an artist. That's called objectifying yourself. There's a difference between showing skin and showing off your body and objectifying yourself.

Yeah. A difference.

Just not a relevant one unless you subscribe to patriarchal mores.

IMO I think class is the issue for me now. I don't mind skin, or sexuality, but I can't stand crassness...even from people/musicians I actually LIKE...

You just dissed the entire genre of Punk. This makes me sad.

Well, I've never been a HUGE punk fan, but that has more to do with music, than the actual "crassness" of it. And I AM a fan of plenty of bands who have had their crass moments (Marilyn Manson, NIN, etc)... (albeit likely not on prime television with children watching...) but, I can still like the music without liking certain behavior. I just think Miley's act was all crass with no point (or talent)

I think it's ridiculous the way people are freaking out. She's not doing anything Madonna Kesha gaga ect haven't done but some how people lose their **** when she does it. Madonna simulated *kitten* on stage and made out with Britney ... Totally cool... Gaga wears a meat dress and imitates people with disabilities in one of her videos.. Totally cool. Miley tweerks and sticks her tounge out everyone freaks. It's kinda funny

Well, I think one of the problems with Miley's act was this was not an act people paid money for, purchased tickets, and knew what they were getting into. This was for an awards show, on at prime time, when many people watch with children, and those people were sort of blindsided by the "inappropriateness" of Miley's act.

Yes, there have been plenty of shocking acts from other musicians (arguably at least most of them had more talent, lol) but it doesn't belong on Primetime.

I have to say, as a parent I wouldn't watch music videos with my children. Most music videos are just not appropriate and they play them all day long, not just at primetime. My remote control also has a button to change the channel so that if something I don't want my kids to see comes on I can change it.

I think people are making too big of a deal out of it. Now the next young female start will have to push the boundaries even farther to garner the amount of attention Miley is receiving.

Let me think ........ NOPE I Hate her Trashy ACT!!!!! :huh:

I'm sorry you feel that way.

But I sincerely feel a woman should not be ashamed to use her sexuality in any way she likes, including for a living.

This is just a bunch of people whining that someone else is not fitting their expectations for how other people should act, going as far to invent reasons it is "dangerous".

And it's also pretty damn typical, this "look at the crazy youngsters" thing. Look at what Cato had to say about Julius.

Here's where I think you don't get it. I bartend topless. I am in favor of legalizing prostitution. I have no issue with a woman using her sexuality for profit. But there's a difference between being empowered and being objectified.

If you'd like further reference, there's a wonderful film entitle Miss Representation that has lots of information (scientific, political, historical) as to why sexualization of women in the media has a negative impact on women as a whole. You have to able to see the big picture. It's not about policing her sexuality. it's about the underlying social impacts.

Edit: Ooops. Forgot to finish my thought. But too tired to make an argument right now.

I think that she could have transitioned from "innocent" to "sexy" in a much better way.

I don't like Miley, but I can't lie, the "We Did Stop (the government)" parody on SNL was wonderful.

I couldn't help but keep thinking "and I bet she doesn't even know what they're talking about". It was wonderful because the writers for SNL are wonderful. Her impression of Palin was unimpressive. She's not in school and from what I can tell being a child star didn't really leave time for much of an education. It was a funny skit but it made me a little sad thinking about if Miley actually understands the concept of the GOP or what the reasoning behind the government shutdown was.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

But I sincerely feel a woman should not be ashamed to use her sexuality in any way she likes, including for a living.

This is just a bunch of people whining that someone else is not fitting their expectations for how other people should act, going as far to invent reasons it is "dangerous".

And it's also pretty damn typical, this "look at the crazy youngsters" thing. Look at what Cato had to say about Julius.

Here's where I think you don't get it. I bartend topless. I am in favor of legalizing prostitution. I have no issue with a woman using her sexuality for profit. But there's a difference between being empowered and being objectified and there's

If you'd like further reference, there's a wonderful film entitle Miss Representation that has lots of information (scientific, political, historical) as to why sexualization of women in the media has a negative impact on women as a whole. You have to able to see the big picture. It's not about policing her sexuality. it's about the underlying social impacts.

And that's not the only side to feminism. Not sure why you would assume I am ignorant or trolling. I sincerely disagree, and am well informed.

I have an opinion that is in conflict with yours. I don't see evidence for social harm here. And I also think she's playing her culture like its an instrument, and I find it interesting and thought provoking. Sort of a performance art. And I love the way she lays on themes of innocence and debauchery by reminding us all that we knew her as a child. She's an adult now, and every adult was once a child.


I think the prudish attacks are the real danger to women.

All Miley has done is show the world how immature she is, especially with her childish response to Sinead's letter. She's young and she's stupid. But then again, who hasn't been young and stupid? :laugh: Hopefully she'll grow out of this phase and focus on making good music instead. And hopefully everyone will stop focusing so much on her...it still bothers me how much backlash Miley is getting for her actions and how little Robin Thicke is getting. As a grown man in his 30s, Robin Thicke deserves most of this negative attention from the public, not practically-still-a-child Miley. There's so much sexism in all of this that it makes me sick. :sick:

And also: The objectification of women, whether done by others or by the woman herself, is NOT feminism or women's liberation or anything like that, it's SEXISM. Plain and simple. If you think it's liberating for women to walk around naked and portray themselves primarily as sex objects and nothing more, then you've been duped by the media. A century ago, women were expected to know their "place": they were homemakers, nothing more, and their value came primarily from satisfying men by being a good wife, mother, and homemaker. Today, women are still expected to know their "place," except that this "place" has changed a bit: today a woman's "place" is to be a sex object and her value comes primarily from satisfying men by fulfilling their sexual needs. A hundred years later and a woman's value still comes primarily from satisfying men. A woman's value doesn't come from how men feel about her...THAT'S SEXIST. And anyone who illustrates that idea, that a woman's value is based on how sexually satisfying she is to men, is encouraging sexism, NOT liberation.
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All Miley has done is show the world how immature she is, especially with her childish response to Sinead's letter. She's young and she's stupid. But then again, who hasn't been young and stupid? :laugh: Hopefully she'll grow out of this phase and focus on making good music instead. And hopefully everyone will stop focusing so much on her...it still bothers me how much backlash Miley is getting for her actions and how little Robin Thicke is getting. As a grown man in his 30s, Robin Thicke deserves most of this negative attention from the public, not practically-still-a-child Miley. There's so much sexism in all of this that it makes me sick. :sick:

And also: The objectification of women, whether done by others or by the woman herself, is NOT feminism or women's liberation or anything like that, it's SEXISM. Plain and simple. If you think it's liberating for women to walk around naked and portray themselves primarily as sex objects and nothing more, then you've been duped by the media. A century ago, women were expected to know their "place": they were homemakers, nothing more, and their value came primarily from satisfying men by being a good wife, mother, and homemaker. Today, women are still expected to know their "place," except that this "place" has changed a bit: today a woman's "place" is to be a sex object and her value comes primarily from satisfying men by fulfilling their sexual needs. A hundred years later and a woman's value still comes primarily from satisfying men. A woman's value doesn't come from how men feel about her...THAT'S SEXIST. And anyone who illustrates that idea, that a woman's value is based on how sexually satisfying she is to men, is encouraging sexism, NOT liberation.
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All of this.