5k Jogger to Ultra Runner in 14 weeks

This is turning into a witch hunt, and it's leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

We've established that this plan was presented under somewhat false pretenses, whether deliberately or not. We've established that OP has a greater level of fitness than the average C25k graduate. We've established that while this plan may work out for him and his family, it's probably not for everyone.

I fail to see the value offered from demanding verification of his daughter's race times.

I find the whole damn scenerio leaves a sour taste in my mouth, you are not concerned that somebody is lying on a time and saying somebody did something they didn't then?

Why not just admit the true time rather than embellish everything?

Verification of a race time when it ties in with a dangerous training plan is very important actually.

The OP was already run-trained, this is why the title of this thread is a lie.........

But OP has already 'come clean' about his previous running and cycling providing him a base level of fitness.

At this point it doesn't matter what OP comes back with anyway. You've decided he's lying and you are rejecting all possible explanations being provided.

Personally if I were him I'd tell you to get on your bike and refuse to provide further verification just to satisfy your petty instinct to try to shame him further.

He has neve4r answered me from the very beginning, therefore, I do not expect anything further anyway.

He said the HM time, nobody asked and then he said they never broke a sweat and chatted all the way around the run.

Look, if you are going to come up with facts and figures, it is a good idea to make sure they are realistic and are in the official results whereby everybody on the internet can see, otherwise yes, you will indeed look stupid.

As for what you think of me asking questions, I really couldn't care less whether you find my asking uncomfortable or not, I do not need your permission to ask bona fide questions relating to this thread

Nope, you absolutely don't.

And just as OP will be subject to your scrutiny, you will be subject to the opinions of others regarding that scrutiny. It's wonderful how the internet works.

This has gotten... shameful. There's no reason to call out the OP like this.

This has gotten... shameful. There's no reason to call out the OP like this.

So nobody is allowed to ask the OP an question then about something he wrote???? Since when did that ruling come in?

Wow there's a lesson to learn eh, take everything as gospel at face value, sod the fact it may be dangerous.

This has gotten... shameful. There's no reason to call out the OP like this.

So nobody is allowed to ask the OP an question then about something he wrote???? Since when did that ruling come in?

Wow there's a lesson to learn eh, take everything as gospel at face value, sod the fact it may be dangerous.

I'm a big fan of questioning posters when the facts seem shaky. My only problem with this particular line of questioning is that it was escalated and speculated on before OP responded/had a chance to respond. I'd like for him to have had a chance to address it before we moved to cries of "crucify him!"

(And as you can see throughout this thread, I've had an issue with how OP has presented this program/programme. That said, I think there are enough counter-tales to adequately warn unsuspecting newbies that we don't necessarily gain anything by running OP away...and like I've said, I'm genuinely interested in how this work for him and his family.)

And believe me, if I say an argument (especially one I've participated in) has gone too far then something is seriously screwed up.

^this

(Although I'm still curious about the answers to the unanswered questions...even if I'd completely understand if OP decided not to address them. It's too bad we...(the collective "we")...couldn't have had some patience to let OP address the initial question about the results. Is a real shame because I was genuinely more curious about how he and his family do on this program than their HM times. It's either a tale of a remarkably athletic family pushing to better themselves or a cautionary tale of appropriate limits. Either way, it was destined to be a good read.)

You don't get it do you..... me questioning his daughter's HM time was NOT to shame him, embarrass him or anything of the sort.

He posted her time, I went onto the Mablethorpe HM results page to have a look, could not find such a result as he has spoken of, THAT was when I started to question the validity of his statement and in turn, I then began to wonder just what else he had embellished, down to how good they all felt after a massive increase in mileage etc etc.

If a beginner were to try to copy such a plan because of the OP's continual enthusiasm and feeling good after such training, they would most likely find themselves out of action due to overtraining, injury or illness.

THIS is why I am insistent on continual questioning about the whole thing and in particular that HM time. It is not the HM time alone that I am bothered with, it is whether the OP has not spoken the truth and if he has not, what else has he been untruthful with regarding all this.

However, as per usual, these forums have a way of turning around, upside down and inside out until, conveniently everybody forgets what the original question was.

Human nature or just complacency, who knows.

And believe me, if I say an argument (especially one I've participated in) has gone too far then something is seriously screwed up.

^this

(Although I'm still curious about the answers to the unanswered questions...even if I'd completely understand if OP decided not to address them. It's too bad we...(the collective "we")...couldn't have had some patience to let OP address the initial question about the results. Is a real shame because I was genuinely more curious about how he and his family do on this program than their HM times. It's either a tale of a remarkably athletic family pushing to better themselves or a cautionary tale of appropriate limits. Either way, it was destined to be a good read.)

You don't get it do you..... me questioning his daughter's HM time was NOT to shame him, embarrass him or anything of the sort.

He posted her time, I went onto the Mablethorpe HM results page to have a look, could not find such a result as he has spoken of, THAT was when I started to question the validity of his statement and in turn, I then began to wonder just what else he had embellished, down to how good they all felt after a massive increase in mileage etc etc.

If a beginner were to try to copy such a plan because of the OP's continual enthusiasm and feeling good after such training, they would most likely find themselves out of action due to overtraining, injury or illness.

THIS is why I am insistent on continual questioning about the whole thing and in particular that HM time. It is not the HM time alone that I am bothered with, it is whether the OP has not spoken the truth and if he has not, what else has he been untruthful with regarding all this.

However, as per usual, these forums have a way of turning around, upside down and inside out until, conveniently everybody forgets what the original question was.

Human nature or just complacency, who knows.

*I* don't get it? :huh:

That's an interesting conclusion given what I have posted in this very thread. Perhaps you should spend your time waiting for a response from OP by reading through this entire thread from the beginning.

What we have here isn't a disagreement in principle, but rather a disagreement on approach. You and I are wearing the same uniforms in this particular war, but I disapprove of your tactics. Rather than you staying invested in this thread to guide the conversation to continue to remind the silent audience of the prudence (or lack thereof) of this particular program, you decided to "attack" the OP...and even if you are correct and you "defeat" him in this one fell swoop, you will no doubt lose the hearts and minds of those who you purportedly are trying to "save". That you somehow interpret this as me being complacent leads me to believe that you are being myopic.

TL;DR - You lack an understanding of a bigger picture.

And believe me, if I say an argument (especially one I've participated in) has gone too far then something is seriously screwed up.

^this

(Although I'm still curious about the answers to the unanswered questions...even if I'd completely understand if OP decided not to address them. It's too bad we...(the collective "we")...couldn't have had some patience to let OP address the initial question about the results. Is a real shame because I was genuinely more curious about how he and his family do on this program than their HM times. It's either a tale of a remarkably athletic family pushing to better themselves or a cautionary tale of appropriate limits. Either way, it was destined to be a good read.)

You don't get it do you..... me questioning his daughter's HM time was NOT to shame him, embarrass him or anything of the sort.

He posted her time, I went onto the Mablethorpe HM results page to have a look, could not find such a result as he has spoken of, THAT was when I started to question the validity of his statement and in turn, I then began to wonder just what else he had embellished, down to how good they all felt after a massive increase in mileage etc etc.

If a beginner were to try to copy such a plan because of the OP's continual enthusiasm and feeling good after such training, they would most likely find themselves out of action due to overtraining, injury or illness.

THIS is why I am insistent on continual questioning about the whole thing and in particular that HM time. It is not the HM time alone that I am bothered with, it is whether the OP has not spoken the truth and if he has not, what else has he been untruthful with regarding all this.

However, as per usual, these forums have a way of turning around, upside down and inside out until, conveniently everybody forgets what the original question was.

Human nature or just complacency, who knows.

The issue is not so much the original question. That was relatively innocent. Personally I still think a little off, but eh, some people like more verification, fair enough.

The issue is that several people have now suggested possible Beths that could be OP's daughter. Rather than accepting these, or just waiting for a direct answer (OP doesn't visit often you may have noticed), you have found reasons to refute every one of them. Now assuming that the girl isn't running under a completely false name, you will presumably continue to refute if OP returns to tell us which one actually is his daughter. No one can really, truly prove anything to someone else on the internet - it's just as easy to call someone a liar for some BS reason as it is to lie in the first place.

At this point you are coming over like the crazies demanding ever increasing proof of Obama's birthplace.

Furthermore, this isn't OPs time. It's his daughter's time you are refuting. As father of a young girl, I think that brings a whole new level of distaste to the matter.

And believe me, if I say an argument (especially one I've participated in) has gone too far then something is seriously screwed up.

^this

(Although I'm still curious about the answers to the unanswered questions...even if I'd completely understand if OP decided not to address them. It's too bad we...(the collective "we")...couldn't have had some patience to let OP address the initial question about the results. Is a real shame because I was genuinely more curious about how he and his family do on this program than their HM times. It's either a tale of a remarkably athletic family pushing to better themselves or a cautionary tale of appropriate limits. Either way, it was destined to be a good read.)

You don't get it do you..... me questioning his daughter's HM time was NOT to shame him, embarrass him or anything of the sort.

He posted her time, I went onto the Mablethorpe HM results page to have a look, could not find such a result as he has spoken of, THAT was when I started to question the validity of his statement and in turn, I then began to wonder just what else he had embellished, down to how good they all felt after a massive increase in mileage etc etc.

If a beginner were to try to copy such a plan because of the OP's continual enthusiasm and feeling good after such training, they would most likely find themselves out of action due to overtraining, injury or illness.

THIS is why I am insistent on continual questioning about the whole thing and in particular that HM time. It is not the HM time alone that I am bothered with, it is whether the OP has not spoken the truth and if he has not, what else has he been untruthful with regarding all this.

However, as per usual, these forums have a way of turning around, upside down and inside out until, conveniently everybody forgets what the original question was.

Human nature or just complacency, who knows.

The issue is not so much the original question. That was relatively innocent. Personally I still think a little off, but eh, some people like more verification, fair enough.

The issue is that several people have now suggested possible Beths that could be OP's daughter. Rather than accepting these, or just waiting for a direct answer (OP doesn't visit often you may have noticed), you have found reasons to refute every one of them. Now assuming that the girl isn't running under a completely false name, you will presumably continue to refute if OP returns to tell us which one actually is his daughter. No one can really, truly prove anything to someone else on the internet - it's just as easy to call someone a liar for some BS reason as it is to lie in the first place.

At this point you are coming over like the crazies demanding ever increasing proof of Obama's birthplace.

Furthermore, this isn't OPs time. It's his daughter's time you are refuting. As father of a young girl, I think that brings a whole new level of distaste to the matter.

Because those two Beths were not the correct person.

Based on your extensive personal knowledge of the individual in question.

You see, you have immediately leaped to the conclusion that OP is lying. Not that perhaps he was unsure of the time and made a best guess, or that his stopwatch was out of sync with the official race time, or that the girls were running together for 10 miles and then split, or any other number of things that could explain your inability to find this person you do not know in a list of names you do not know. You just assume that you know that he's lying because you can't find an individual that you are satisfied meets his criteria. When he comes back, you probably won't believe anything he tells you anyway.

But you have achieved something that is rarely seen. You've managed to take a debate where everyone was pretty much universally down on the OP, and then left us rallying behind him. That's quite the achievement.

And believe me, if I say an argument (especially one I've participated in) has gone too far then something is seriously screwed up.

^this

(Although I'm still curious about the answers to the unanswered questions...even if I'd completely understand if OP decided not to address them. It's too bad we...(the collective "we")...couldn't have had some patience to let OP address the initial question about the results. Is a real shame because I was genuinely more curious about how he and his family do on this program than their HM times. It's either a tale of a remarkably athletic family pushing to better themselves or a cautionary tale of appropriate limits. Either way, it was destined to be a good read.)

Agreed. Even if you don't think it's a good plan for the average person (and I think it's a bad plan for virtually all people save for very few), looking up his daughter's time to attempt to "disprove" his information just seems . . . . tacky. Believe him or don't believe him, but just let it go. I think it's been well established on this thread that the plan isn't one most of us would encourage anyone, let alone someone barely finishing the 5K plan, to follow, but there really isn't any need to disprove the OP's posts. Who cares whether or not he's lying about his child's time? Maybe he has posted a pseudonym here for his child because creepy internet people go too far. Maybe he fudged the details a little specifically so that people wouldn't be researching his child from afar? I certainly wouldn't blame him for that.

peeps are you quite sure you're not now witvh hunting di? feels a teensy bit like the pack just turned.

maybe everyone needs to chill, eh?

my thoughts exactly. Yes we get it you don't agree with the OPs training plan. But it's rather pathetic trying to find fault with everything he's posting and looking for conspiracies where there isn't one. I suggest people do acting like 5 year olds and grow up. If you don't agree fair enough but why Labour the point. I'm sure if we waded through anyone's posts we could find fault just grow up people

Would this not be the best time to mention i saw her jump on a bus after 5 miles?