Why is this even remotely controversial?

yoovie · October 2013

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I've already proved that more of her life has been dedicated to fitness than was portrayed by quotes at the start of this thread.

She achieved it by spending about an hour working out 5 times a week.

Or are you saying that's the part that's a lie?

No, I do not believe that only one hour a day working out is what she has done her whole life. That's what she does now. But it doesn't address how long that has been her regiment. Since before the kids? Only after the kids? What was her life like when she battled bulimia? There's just too much information missing.

Who cares about "her whole life"?

You can achieve that body working out one hour a day, 5 days a week.

That's the entire point of all of this.

You can look like her, with just a few hours a week.

The question is: why don't you?

Hmm? Because I don't want to.

I like being pale. And childless. And watching TV once in a while. And being soft and round. I have no desire to be a fitness model or post my picture on the internet and become a national fitspiration.

I'm cool with who I am and how I treat my journey to lose weight. This picture was posted and the OP asked for people's opinions on it. I gave mine. What's your excuse for wanting me to change my opinion?

The only thing I want anyone to change is the placement of the counter on their ticker.

jonnythan · October 2013

Meh, let the excuse makers continue to make excuses. Meanwhile, I will put in the blood, sweat, and dedication to achieve my goals and beyond.

Just make your goal "soft and round" and you can achieve success with zero effort, then belittle people who have achieved amazing physiques by calling them dirty liars.

TR0berts · October 2013

I never tore down her success. I said I don't believe it happened the way it is being portrayed.

1. Claims to not belittle/degrade Ms. Kang, yet calls her a liar.

2. Claims to not tear down her success, but insists that it didn't happen "the way it was portrayed."

Brilliant troll job. 8/10.

yoovie · October 2013

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I've already proved that more of her life has been dedicated to fitness than was portrayed by quotes at the start of this thread.

She achieved it by spending about an hour working out 5 times a week.

Or are you saying that's the part that's a lie?

No, I do not believe that only one hour a day working out is what she has done her whole life. That's what she does now. But it doesn't address how long that has been her regiment. Since before the kids? Only after the kids? What was her life like when she battled bulimia? There's just too much information missing.

Who cares about "her whole life"?

You can achieve that body working out one hour a day, 5 days a week.

That's the entire point of all of this.

You can look like her, with just a few hours a week.

The question is: why don't you?

Hmm? Because I don't want to.

I like being pale. And childless. And watching TV once in a while. And being soft and round. I have no desire to be a fitness model or post my picture on the internet and become a national fitspiration.

I'm cool with who I am and how I treat my journey to lose weight. This picture was posted and the OP asked for people's opinions on it. I gave mine. What's your excuse for wanting me to change my opinion?

No one is arguing about your opinion. They are arguing about your need to try to breakdown someone's success by making claims that she's lying about her past, methods, whether she has help or not, her free time, etc.

For pity's sake. Not believing all her claims does not not negate that she looks good and was successful in her goals.
She clearly has achieved a desired physique and worked hard for it.

That isn't bashing success. That's taking internet sensationalism for what it is.

Did you see my pic on the previous page?

1 hour 3 times a week. That's it.

I literally spend more time each week in fast food joints than I do in a gym.

So tell me again what's sensationalist about the fact that she achieved her body working out 1 hour a day, 5 times a week?

45 minutes - 4 times a week - 100 pounds down

whierd · October 2013

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You are a sad, sad man.

I never tore down her success. I said I don't believe it happened the way it is being portrayed. That doesn't negate her success. I'm starting to think you don't know how to read or just like to fight on the internet. You just really stomp your feet when people don't agree with you 100%. You're starting to bore me with your broken record stance. Vacating this thread because clearly having your own opinion is frowned upon.

I consider calling an extremely successful person a liar is an attempt to tear down her success, yes.

Yup. It marginalizes the effort they put in.

Cranquistador · October 2013

one hour 3x a week and a calorie deficit is enough to get a good physique.

hell, even half hour would work if you only had that much time.

MyChocolateDiet · October 2013

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"Kang, of Sacramento, California, is a former pageant queen and fitness competitor who founded the nonprofit Fitness Without Borders in 2007. She's also a recovering bulimic."

No, she is not your average "stay-at-home" mom. She already had a serious fitness background prior to having kids.

"Kang says she works out five to six days a week, about an hour at a time, doing a half-hour of strength training and a half-hour of cardio — running, the stair climber, or a spin or Zumba class"

She did not achieve that physique by only doing an hour at a time. That is maintenance for her. She achieved this body prior to children while preparing for pageants and fitness competitions. This alone makes it more likely for her to continue having this body after having children.

I don't think this is controversial, but I don't agree that this is achievable for all women. People are ignoring the facts I posted above which came directly from an interview done with her.

An hour a day 5-6 days a week is more time than is necessary to achieve that physique.

Continue to ignore the fact that she trained for fitness competitions and pageants prior to having children. I'm sure that was for more than an hour a day.

Once again, that is not the life of most women.

unfortunately, the life of most women SHOULD include healthy eating and consistent physical activity and the fact that is usually doesnt is a sad reality we are fighting against.

I work 11 and 12 hour days all the time, plus an almost 2 hour commute, plus i lost a hundred pounds and have tons of physical setbacks that i have to work against or around, plus a booming social life and tons of personal projects. I make the effort to workout regularly because I care about my health and i care about it more than just in a 'am i there yet, can i stop now' way.

Well obviously you are missing a few other components in your life that this ad is directed at- like a brood of kiddos and a post-pregnancy body after 8 months. You admit it took you 5 years to get where you are - then you disagree with others who are on their journey working just as hard but have not had 5 years to complete it yet.

No I didnt. I'm not even complete yet. Maybe I dont have kids - but that doesnt mean i dont have other things taking up my time. being a mother is not the be all end all of taxing time consuming activities - ESPECIALLY because having kids is what YOU wanted to do. Its not an affliction - thats a horrible thing to imply!!!!! Some people CANT have kids, ya know.

And it took me five years because I wanted to go as slowly as possible because i dont think that losing 100 pounds very fast is a good idea. And whereas she has kids and I dont, i got smeared across the highway by an 18 wheeler and she didnt.

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As I said in my post that you said "NO" to - under certain circumstances you can look like her 8 months post delivery. However, most people do not have those circumstances. I also work out as many days as she says she does - 6 hours a week minimum and 35 months post delivery of baby#4 I don't look like that - but that doesn't mean I am not trying or my reality is not legitimate. Get real.

You get real. That was rude. She didnt say jack about looking like her.

She asked what your excuses are for not having the best body you can have if you are busy and stuff. YOU work out all the time - YOU ARE getting the best body you can get. So why are YOU twisted up over this? You should be patting yourself on the back instead of defending people who are too lazy to do anything more than talk about all the reasons that they cant try hard. Which, im pretty sure, is NOT a lot of people on MFP - since EVERYONE on MFP is already doing EVERYTHING in their power to get their individual ideal bodies. So stop telling me that you cant look like her, because we both know that you arent supposed to.
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We are all trying to improve- as I said in my earlier post - you need the time to do this (which I make) and you need to start where she started- which I did not. So I have longer to get there. I imagine it is not hard to cut back on your social life to find time for the gym and healthy cooking. Try keeping 5 other people alive and thriving and working your hours and getting there in 1/3 of the time it took you to get to your goal...oh wait - you didn't do that. But yet you judge...

Im not judging - oh my god - this is so twisted.

I LOVE THIS AD. I agree with this ad. I think there is no excuse for ignoring your health. Its probably because I actually had to fight for my health and my life - and at least I would never tell other people that they have to look like someone else.

The only thing I have advocated here is doing whatever you can to get the best body you can possibly have. YOUR best body. NO ONE ELSE's.

Which is exactly what this site is a tool for so I'm unsure why anyone on it would disagree with such a message?

jonnythan · October 2013

45 minutes - 4 times a week - 100 pounds down

Boom.

PikaKnight · October 2013

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I never tore down her success. I said I don't believe it happened the way it is being portrayed.

1. Claims to not belittle/degrade Ms. Kang, yet calls her a liar.

2. Claims to not tear down her success, but insists that it didn't happen "the way it was portrayed."

Brilliant troll job. 8/10.

Forgot to add insinuating that somehow having eating issues and bulimia but somehow contributed to her success. :noway:

whierd · October 2013

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I've already proved that more of her life has been dedicated to fitness than was portrayed by quotes at the start of this thread.

She achieved it by spending about an hour working out 5 times a week.

Or are you saying that's the part that's a lie?

No, I do not believe that only one hour a day working out is what she has done her whole life. That's what she does now. But it doesn't address how long that has been her regiment. Since before the kids? Only after the kids? What was her life like when she battled bulimia? There's just too much information missing.

Who cares about "her whole life"?

You can achieve that body working out one hour a day, 5 days a week.

That's the entire point of all of this.

You can look like her, with just a few hours a week.

The question is: why don't you?

Hmm? Because I don't want to.

I like being pale. And childless. And watching TV once in a while. And being soft and round. I have no desire to be a fitness model or post my picture on the internet and become a national fitspiration.

I'm cool with who I am and how I treat my journey to lose weight. This picture was posted and the OP asked for people's opinions on it. I gave mine. What's your excuse for wanting me to change my opinion?

No one is arguing about your opinion. They are arguing about your need to try to breakdown someone's success by making claims that she's lying about her past, methods, whether she has help or not, her free time, etc.

For pity's sake. Not believing all her claims does not not negate that she looks good and was successful in her goals.
She clearly has achieved a desired physique and worked hard for it.

That isn't bashing success. That's taking internet sensationalism for what it is.

Did you see my pic on the previous page?

1 hour 3 times a week. That's it.

I literally spend more time each week in fast food joints than I do in a gym.

So tell me again what's sensationalist about the fact that she achieved her body working out 1 hour a day, 5 times a week?

45 minutes - 4 times a week - 100 pounds down

Nope, I see no permanent damage there.

yoovie · October 2013

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No, I do not believe that only one hour a day working out is what she has done her whole life. That's what she does now. But it doesn't address how long that has been her regiment. Since before the kids? Only after the kids? What was her life like when she battled bulimia? There's just too much information missing.

JSF

BusyRaeNOTBusty · October 2013

I'm coming into this late, and probably shouldn't be posting at all. But I'm a glutton for punishment, so...

There is a big difference between having other priorities and making excuses. If you decide that talking with your friends for an hour is more important than working out, fine. If you decide having ice cream with your kids is more important that hitting your calorie goal, then fine. As a single father, I weight those decisions all the time. Most of my training-related goals oppose my family goals which oppose my career goals (as one takes time away from the other two), so there is a constant balancing act going on. Sometimes I chose to eat "crappy" food with my kids. Sometimes I don't.

Own your decisions and your priorities. Don't ***** people because of them.

Could I squat 3*BW? Probably. Could I get down to 8% body fat? Probably. But I'm not willing to do what it takes to get there, to have that type of discipline and dedication. I have different priorities. And I'm fine with that.

Lastly, not every though you have needs to go on facebook or wherever. Sometimes it's fine just congratulate someone on their accomplishment, or *gasp* just keep your damn mouth shut. Not everything is an attack/insult.

Yes. This. This is what I meant by sometimes just being healthy is good enough.

PikaKnight · October 2013

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45 minutes - 4 times a week - 100 pounds down

Boom.

mustgetmuscles1 · October 2013

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Her husband is disabled, she runs two businesses, she works out, she does whatever. Her kids are not school age. And I'm too believe she has no help?

I don't buy it.

I didn't expect "she's lying" to be one of the excuses, actually. I should have expected that. But I didn't.

Why would I just believe that what she says or what is said in articles about her hasn't been fluffed to reflect the point she wants to get across.

Because you would believe it's possible.

You don't believe it's possible.

This is the difference between successful people and unsuccessful people. Successful people see this and think "yeah, I can do that!" or "yeah, I already did that."

Unsuccessful people see "she's lying" and "she's special" and "this doesn't apply to me for some reason."

Exactly.

fitfreakymom · October 2013

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Her husband is disabled, she runs two businesses, she works out, she does whatever. Her kids are not school age. And I'm too believe she has no help?

I don't buy it.

I didn't expect "she's lying" to be one of the excuses, actually. I should have expected that. But I didn't.

Why would I just believe that what she says or what is said in articles about her hasn't been fluffed to reflect the point she wants to get across.

Because you would believe it's possible.

You don't believe it's possible.

This is the difference between successful people and unsuccessful people. Successful people see this and think "yeah, I can do that!" or "yeah, I already did that."

Unsuccessful people see "she's lying" and "she's special" and "this doesn't apply to me for some reason."

WRONG
Some people do not have her circumstances and therefore could not do that. But they are doing something else because where they started is somewhere else and their daily life is different. I don't hate this girl - I applaud her. But I am disgusted with the judgments of the people in this thread.

Maybe working out is a priority for her and her family and maybe she does it as a stress relief and her time, some people sit on a computer, take a bath, read a book as their down time maybe for her it is working out.

BusyRaeNOTBusty · October 2013

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It's implying that everyone should look like her. The first issue is that not everyone wants to look like her. The second is that not every body type can look like that. The third is that there are people with actual physical issues that make looking like that a hell of a lot harder than it is for other people. Not everyone has the time time or money to devote to getting that body after 3 babies in 3 years.
Also, let's not forget that the majority of pics on out there are photoshopped. I doubt she actually looks quite like that. Not a single stretch mark?. That is every woman's dream.
It's shaming to women who don't look like her which isn't motivational to a lot of women. It's actually counter productive to many who know they can't attain perfect bodies or beauty. They look at the digitally enhanced images and ask themselves "why bother?".

Not everyone gets stretch marks from pregnancy.

I got a few on my *kitten* but that's it.

Achrya · October 2013

You can tell her kids are not by the same man. Lol! Gosh seriously and seriously not jealous at all I will say the title is rude. Not that being out of shape is anyone's fault but there own, still I am sensitive. I mean who would really want to be friends with someone with that personality. It just seems like showing out to me. I find it hard to believe she has ever been overweight in her life and genetically I find it hard to think she will ever be. Plus to have three kids, well these result not typical.

Tell me again about what's rude.

HardcoreP0rk · October 2013

I agree with this - if you get to workout for a living - then this could be you. If you are a SAHM with a gym with daycare- this could be you. If you work full-time have 4 kids, 2 dogs and a husband - THIS IS NOT YOU. I don't know anyone who looks like this under those circumstances. But I get better everyday. I don't hate her - maybe I wish I had her time though...

Get hotter friends. I know plenty of people who make it work. Met most of them...at the gym. Funny how that works, eh?

whierd · October 2013

This thread has me crazy motivated. I cannot wait to hit the gym.

BusyRaeNOTBusty · October 2013

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Only thing I can see is if she has the ability to dedicate more time to fitness such as she works in the fitness industry or is a SAHM. That of course makes scheduling easier. If someone wants something bad enough of course he/she will make it happen, but it's difficult and unfair to compare your life to another's if you have certain advantages others may not.

PS-know nothing about this woman or what challenges she faces.

I agree with this - if you get to workout for a living - then this could be you. If you are a SAHM with a gym with daycare- this could be you. If you work full-time have 4 kids, 2 dogs and a husband - THIS IS NOT YOU. I don't know anyone who looks like this under those circumstances. But I get better everyday. I don't hate her - maybe I wish I had her time though...

NO.

I have 3 kids (spaced 2 years apart each), 2 dogs (one is diabetic), and a husband who works 12 hours shifts and does endurance mountain biking (so he's gone a lot). I also work 45-50 hours a week and just completed a master's degree at a rigorous university (although I was only working 30 hours then). And you're right, I don't look like that......

yet.

Just from your profile picture I'd say you are damn close! (creeped your pictures and yep, still say you are damn close) :flowerforyou:

Thanks! :blushing:

tifferz_91 · October 2013

People will complain about ANYTHING these days.

This BS is getting so f'ing annoying & pathetic! Ugh.

TheSlorax · October 2013

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You can tell her kids are not by the same man. Lol! Gosh seriously and seriously not jealous at all I will say the title is rude. Not that being out of shape is anyone's fault but there own, still I am sensitive. I mean who would really want to be friends with someone with that personality. It just seems like showing out to me. I find it hard to believe she has ever been overweight in her life and genetically I find it hard to think she will ever be. Plus to have three kids, well these result not typical.

Tell me again about what's rude.

she's on a 100 day juice fast. she's hangry.

Velum_cado · October 2013

Eh, I find the whole, "I have kids... KIDS! NOTHING you do can be as hard as what I do!" mentality annoying, self-righteous, and just plain stupid.

There are plenty of people who have better "excuses" than a couple of kids.

ArroganceInStep · October 2013

I'm never going to be attractive because I don't want to look that way, not because it's hard or anything.

ninerbuff · October 2013

I agree with this - if you get to workout for a living - then this could be you. If you are a SAHM with a gym with daycare- this could be you. If you work full-time have 4 kids, 2 dogs and a husband - THIS IS NOT YOU. I don't know anyone who looks like this under those circumstances. But I get better everyday. I don't hate her - maybe I wish I had her time though...

If we're going to speak anecdotes, then I have 4 female clients that practically fit the full time, multiple kids, pets and husband criteria that do look like her.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

stumblinthrulife · October 2013

People will complain about ANYTHING these days.

This BS is getting so f'ing annoying & pathetic! Ugh.

Once you substantially remove the real threats to life - food scarcity, predators, etc.... - people have to find other problems. Suddenly hurt feelings seem so much more important.

MyChocolateDiet · October 2013

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You are a sad, sad man.

I never tore down her success. I said I don't believe it happened the way it is being portrayed. That doesn't negate her success. I'm starting to think you don't know how to read or just like to fight on the internet. You just really stomp your feet when people don't agree with you 100%. You're starting to bore me with your broken record stance. Vacating this thread because clearly having your own opinion is frowned upon.

I consider calling an extremely successful person a liar is an attempt to tear down her success, yes.

Yup. It marginalizes the effort they put in.

It also separates you and others from the knowledge that can get you there. That's sad. Would I prefer to beleive a lie just because it makes me feel better about my current fitness state for the moment? Or would I listen to the experiences of others who have achieved my goal whether they started exactly where I am or not? How many people will I find who a) have started exactly where I am and b) have achieved success and c) it's the exact success goal in strenght, lbs, BF%, clothing size I would want? Probably very very little. That's why incorporating the experiences of others is very important. I'm glad you are letting your critical thinking mind dissect the information provided. Just be careful your disbeleif comes from a valid place like suspecting an ulterior motive or fearing being "sold" on something etc. Not just from feeling inferior in the face of how easy and not as time consuming as you thought, it can be.

For me it was 3 times a week after my first kid starting 3 months out after the c section and 3 months later I was fit again. That's six months post baby, post op and with the exception of a small well placed c section scar....pre pregnancy bod.

TR0berts · October 2013

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It's implying that everyone should look like her. The first issue is that not everyone wants to look like her. The second is that not every body type can look like that. The third is that there are people with actual physical issues that make looking like that a hell of a lot harder than it is for other people. Not everyone has the time time or money to devote to getting that body after 3 babies in 3 years.
Also, let's not forget that the majority of pics on out there are photoshopped. I doubt she actually looks quite like that. Not a single stretch mark?. That is every woman's dream.
It's shaming to women who don't look like her which isn't motivational to a lot of women. It's actually counter productive to many who know they can't attain perfect bodies or beauty. They look at the digitally enhanced images and ask themselves "why bother?".

Not everyone gets stretch marks from pregnancy.

I got a few on my *kitten* but that's it.

I don't believe this internet sensationalism. I might, if you post/send some pics of said *kitten* - I mean stretch marks. :bigsmile:

HardcoreP0rk · October 2013

This thread has me crazy motivated. I cannot wait to hit the gym.

I ate a chocolate bar while reading this. But I'll do some burpees and it'll be aiiiiiiiigght

yoovie · October 2013

I'm never going to be attractive because I don't want to look that way, not because it's hard or anything.

hipster

Why is this even remotely controversial?

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