Calories I don't count

my body will process it anyway, this is just a tool and how I use it will determine my results. I didn't ask what y'all thought about my vitamin/supplement amounts. I've been doing supplements a long time in skinny times and in fat times. I just wanted to know if I should count it and now I have my answer. I have researched what I take and know how it affects me. As for doctors I don't trust all of them, one or 2 I like but many are nothing more than med pushers. The medicines have so many side effects it's ridiculous.
Oh and I'm from Texas! LOL
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So you don't trust doctors, but you trust the people telling you milk thistle and garlic and all your other pills are good for you? What makes you trust them?

Oh man. I once ran a couple of healthfood/supplement stores. I had heard that all the time - "I don't trust doctors, I trust you." I found that very scary, and always politely told them that I most certainly was not a doctor, and that they should in no way consider anything I said as a medical opinion.

I didn't last long in that job, I just couldn't stand it.

That's terrifying and so, so sad.

I have researched what I take and know how it affects me. As for doctors I don't trust all of them, one or 2 I like but many are nothing more than med pushers.

As I just mentioned, I used to run two healthfood stores. You know what my business was? Selling you stuff. You think I ever told people to go away, improve their diet and take exercise (as most doctors do)? Heck no. Didn't make my bonus that way.

My staff were trained in the 'triple sell' - sell them something to ease the symptoms, something to prevent, and a 'lifestyle' add on (generally some form of dietary alternative to whatever you point out as being evil in this case).

"High blood pressure? Step this way, sir to the garlic supplements - garlic is naturally reduces BP. Now you're not taking warfarin are you? Good, good can't take garlic with that. Now you'll need to reduce your stress levels, so let's grab a little lavender oil for a relaxing massage, shall we? And I bet your doctor said to reduce sodium, so allow me to take the liberty of dropping this potassium salt alternative into your basket. Now will there be anything else, sir, or straight to the checkout?"

I have researched what I take and know how it affects me. As for doctors I don't trust all of them, one or 2 I like but many are nothing more than med pushers.

As I just mentioned, I used to run two healthfood stores. You know what my business was? Selling you stuff. You think I ever told people to go away, improve their diet and take exercise (as most doctors do)? Heck no. Didn't make my bonus that way.

My staff were trained in the 'triple sell' - sell them something to ease the symptoms, something to prevent, and a 'lifestyle' add on (generally some form of dietary alternative to whatever you point out as being evil in this case).

"High blood pressure? Step this way, sir to the garlic supplements - garlic is naturally reduces BP. Now you're not taking warfarin are you? Good, good can't take garlic with that. Now you'll need to reduce your stress levels, so let's grab a little lavender oil for a relaxing massage, shall we? And I bet your doctor said to reduce sodium, so allow me to take the liberty of dropping this potassium salt alternative into your basket. Now will there be anything else, sir, or straight to the checkout?"

This. All of this.

I have researched what I take and know how it affects me. As for doctors I don't trust all of them, one or 2 I like but many are nothing more than med pushers.

As I just mentioned, I used to run two healthfood stores. You know what my business was? Selling you stuff. You think I ever told people to go away, improve their diet and take exercise (as most doctors do)? Heck no. Didn't make my bonus that way.

My staff were trained in the 'triple sell' - sell them something to ease the symptoms, something to prevent, and a 'lifestyle' add on (generally some form of dietary alternative to whatever you point out as being evil in this case).

"High blood pressure? Step this way, sir to the garlic supplements - garlic is naturally reduces BP. Now you're not taking warfarin are you? Good, good can't take garlic with that. Now you'll need to reduce your stress levels, so let's grab a little lavender oil for a relaxing massage, shall we? And I bet your doctor said to reduce sodium, so allow me to take the liberty of dropping this potassium salt alternative into your basket. Now will there be anything else, sir, or straight to the checkout?"

This is a great, great, great post. Perhaps the best post on the topic I've ever seen.

Physicians don't make money off drugs. They might be more likely to prescribe certain drugs as a result of marketing and so forth, but their take-home pay is not literally tied to whether you decide to take their drugs. You can't even buy the drugs there - you have to go to the pharmacy for that.

The people telling you to take milk thistle and garlic, though? All of those people have jobs that rely on either directly selling you that stuff, directly selling literature related to that stuff, or otherwise have incomes that rely on you believing them and buying those items. Or they're simply ignorant (such as friends, family, un-trained un-educated "nutritionists" or "wellness coaches" or whatever).

don't know what sort of Omega3 / fish oil supplement some of you are taking, but mine clocks in at 180cals a day. I don't take it every day, but when I do it gets logged.

... You take 20 grams of fish oil a day?

not, it's liquid - 6ml twice daily. I bought it for my kids and they hated it, so now on days when I have calories left over I take some with my dinner to basically empty the bottle. I checked it out on the database and it came up as 90 cal for 6 ml. Ultimately I am not convinced it'll actually improve my life dramatically to reduce my already little calorie allowance by another 180 cal to accommodate it. I'd rather have some ice cream :-)

180 calories of oil is 20 grams of fat. So that's at least 20 grams of fish oil.

That's a TON of fish oil. Like, a serious ton. The typical recommendations are on the order of 1.5 to 3 grams a day, and even those recommendations appear to be too high/unnecessary/potentially deleterious for otherwise-healthy individuals. I'm actually phasing fish oil out entirely because it doesn't seem to actually do much of anything positive if you're a healthy person.

180 calories of oil is 20 grams of fat. So that's at least 20 grams of fish oil.

That's a TON of fish oil. Like, a serious ton. The typical recommendations are on the order of 1.5 to 3 grams a day, and even those recommendations appear to be too high/unnecessary/potentially deleterious for otherwise-healthy individuals. I'm actually phasing fish oil out entirely because it doesn't seem to actually do much of anything positive if you're a healthy person.

it's 11g, but the calories are not on the bottle and not on their website, so I am guessing that unless the person entering it in the database emailed the company they were just guessing. So by that calculation it'll 'only' be 90 calories.

Anyways it hardly matters, because I don't take it regularly enough (less then once a week actually). I am not a great fan of supplements, I mean if you are actually lacking something like iron, by all means, but since the body just excrete stuff it doesn't need, most people just have expensive pee :-)

11g of something can be no more than 99 calories. Pure fat is the most calorie-dense nutrient, and pure fat is 9 calories per gram. Don't cheat yourself out of 80 calories of ice cream!

I have researched what I take and know how it affects me. As for doctors I don't trust all of them, one or 2 I like but many are nothing more than med pushers.

As I just mentioned, I used to run two healthfood stores. You know what my business was? Selling you stuff. You think I ever told people to go away, improve their diet and take exercise (as most doctors do)? Heck no. Didn't make my bonus that way.

My staff were trained in the 'triple sell' - sell them something to ease the symptoms, something to prevent, and a 'lifestyle' add on (generally some form of dietary alternative to whatever you point out as being evil in this case).

"High blood pressure? Step this way, sir to the garlic supplements - garlic is naturally reduces BP. Now you're not taking warfarin are you? Good, good can't take garlic with that. Now you'll need to reduce your stress levels, so let's grab a little lavender oil for a relaxing massage, shall we? And I bet your doctor said to reduce sodium, so allow me to take the liberty of dropping this potassium salt alternative into your basket. Now will there be anything else, sir, or straight to the checkout?"

I don't post often, but this is a great post.

On topic-I log my vitamins because they're gummies. It's just a multi plus fiber supplement on days when I'm low only. It is only about 20 cals so it won't make a huge difference anyway.

I was wondering the same thing

I log everything but my drink squash, because it's something stupid like 3calories per litre.

Just for what it's worth, if it is the same exact stuff every day, why would logging it matter?
In the end, it's not something the OP is likely to binge on. So essentially it's part of the lifestyle. If she wasn't losing weight, she'd cut down on food calories, not supplements, right?

My coffees clock in at 80-90 calories each, seen as they are half milk, half coffee. I drink several a day, and yes, it is something I need to be quite aware of calorie wise.