LOW CARB DIET from today.- who's with me?

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  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

    Enjoy.

    This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!
  • KnM0107
    KnM0107 Posts: 355 Member
    Derp in this thread have reached critical levels. Immediate evacuation is advised.

    I am not 100% sure what "derp" means, but I have a strong urger to agree
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member

    The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

    http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

    Thank you for that. (Not.)

    To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
    http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
    http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

    There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face. ;)

    The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

    Enjoy.

    This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

    Right, can't have dissenting opinions

    Oh btw from the very first sentence in your link, thought we were talking about humans, not rodents :/

    "A small new study suggests the brain responds to Oreo cookies quite like it responds to actual drugs – at least if you’re a rat"
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  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member

    The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

    http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

    Thank you for that. (Not.)

    To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
    http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
    http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

    There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face. ;)

    I completely agree! I saw a study done using rats/mice and oreos and cocaine. The oreos (fat & sugars) triggered the same neurological reactions in the mice as cocaine would. Also, the mice chose the oreos in the maze over the rice cakes used. Who wouldn't though...AND that is why I am here! Sugar/breads are my coke...

    Girl, I feel your pain! I used to go to this local cupcake shop and get four (yes, that's right FOUR) giant red velvet cupcakes and then eat all of them before I got home. I would feel "slightly" sick, where as most normal human beings would be barfing after one and a half of these things. I don't have the chip that tells me to STOP eating sweets. My body does not respond with the typical "I'm Full" response. It just wants to keep eating.

    It wasn't until I abstained from eating these sugary foods altogether that the fog in my brain lifted. Once I was off of it, I never went back.

    This is why I keep harping on this. *Some* people here keep trying to do "low carb", but it doesn't work - my belief is that this is because we "play" with the sugar, thinking we can do "a little". IMHO, for some of us, there is no such thing. A little will always, always turn into a lot.

    I never thought in a million years I'd be able to live without my trigger foods. These foods were the thing that got me through the day, after all. Little did I know it was the OPPOSITE - those foods were killing me mentally, emotionally, and of course, physically - and the real happiness came from getting rid of them. I highly recommend it to anyone struggling as I did.
  • gabbygirl78
    gabbygirl78 Posts: 936 Member
    My mother's cardiologist told her if she would just cut her sugar and bread she would loose weight.
    ETS: I did Atkins and had great results It is a lifstyle change though. You can gain the weight back if you stray bu that is with anything you try. I will be starting back on the induction phase tomorrow also.
  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

    Enjoy.

    This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

    Right, can't have dissenting opinions

    Oh btw from the very first sentence in your link, thought we were talking about humans, not rodents :/

    "A small new study suggests the brain responds to Oreo cookies quite like it responds to actual drugs – at least if you’re a rat"

    RIGHT! Because science doesn't just use rodents for studies in medicine or anything like that for use in HUMANS so we ARE OBVIOUSLY not comparable AT ALL! Genius! GENIUS!!!
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member

    The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

    http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

    Thank you for that. (Not.)

    To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
    http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
    http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

    There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face. ;)

    The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.

    I am so sorry that you don't understand how science works. :/ That is a shame. Oh well.

    For those who want to use this gentleman's skepticism as a crutch to avoid your addictions, that's entirely up to you.

    To anyone else who is interested in breaking their addiction of compulsively overeating - whether that include sugary treats or otherwise - I recommend checking out the wonderful organization "Overeater's Anonymous", which has so much good information about how to break free. Most of their literature is free online (Google the "Big Book" and prepare to be blown away!) and there are meetings in just about every town where you can find support. Also, feel free to Inbox or Friend me if you'd like to discuss further. I'm always excited to share the Reality of food addiction and how I came to manage it. Blessingsl.
  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    In ALL seriousness. EVERYONE is different. And scientific study or NOT. I can PERSONALLY attest to having an addiction to sugar. Whether it is PHSYICAL OR MENTAL is up for debates. BUT I have eaten candy or sweets in a bathroom or my car so no one else would see because I HAD to have it! AND if the only way for ME to cut terrible habits like that are to go LOW-CARB, not NO-CARB then why are you in here harassing people who choose to live differently than you? If there was ONE right way it would be THE WAY! Every body is different. Every metabolism is different! What works for one or some may not work for everyone. Humans OR rodents.
  • BuzzardMarinePumper
    BuzzardMarinePumper Posts: 42
    I'm going to the Nutrission section of steroids.com and get some educated advise and not sissy *kitten* BS . where men are men and women are sexy ! Not complaing and talking about what they can't do or how they have failed to long on the forum is depressing to many cry babies with no dedication !

    Maybe you should consider a grammar and spelling class instead since you're already up to speed on all things fitness and nutrition.

    No need to ! At my age I spell well enough to get people like you to respond and your type of liberal old fashioned people alway turh to attacks in arears non related to the topic when you have no knowledgable comments to make reguarding the true issue at hand ! So You got the message but lack the common sense to understand and that is not my problen nor is my spelling or gramar related to your lack of health knowledge !

    Sorry Charle but the facts are the facts and you can't change them because you choose to disagree ! lead follow or get the heck out of the way but don't try to change the subject due to stupity !
  • bmoliv66
    bmoliv66 Posts: 47 Member
    I'd like to see those rats choose the Oreos over the cocaine:laugh:
  • JoyeII
    JoyeII Posts: 240 Member
    I won't do low carb (did Atkins in the past but it was too restrictive for me) but I currently aim for 50-100 carbs a day and feel really good at that level. Restricting carbs has the bonus of effect of cutting the calories naturally.

    Guess what? That's low carb.
  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    Those rats wouldnt be here for weight loss if they chose the cocaine, thats for sure!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

    Enjoy.

    This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

    Right, can't have dissenting opinions

    Oh btw from the very first sentence in your link, thought we were talking about humans, not rodents :/

    "A small new study suggests the brain responds to Oreo cookies quite like it responds to actual drugs – at least if you’re a rat"

    RIGHT! Because science doesn't just use rodents for studies in medicine or anything like that for use in HUMANS so we ARE OBVIOUSLY not comparable AT ALL! Genius! GENIUS!!!

    My bad you are correct, everything that has been shown in rodent studies is 100% applicable to humans. Human trials are never needed if a drug shows it is effective in rodents. Sorry, forgot that.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member

    The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

    http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

    Thank you for that. (Not.)

    To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
    http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
    http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

    There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face. ;)

    The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.

    I am so sorry that you don't understand how science works. :/ That is a shame. Oh well.

    For those who want to use this gentleman's skepticism as a crutch to avoid your addictions, that's entirely up to you.


    As an engineer - you know, someone that uses science all day, every day - I can assure you he's right.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member

    The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

    http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

    Thank you for that. (Not.)

    To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
    http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
    http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

    There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face. ;)

    The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.

    I am so sorry that you don't understand how science works. :/ That is a shame. Oh well.

    For those who want to use this gentleman's skepticism as a crutch to avoid your addictions, that's entirely up to you.

    To anyone else who is interested in breaking their addiction of compulsively overeating - whether that include sugary treats or otherwise - I recommend checking out the wonderful organization "Overeater's Anonymous", which has so much good information about how to break free. Most of their literature is free online (Google the "Big Book" and prepare to be blown away!) and there are meetings in just about every town where you can find support. Also, feel free to Inbox or Friend me if you'd like to discuss further. I'm always excited to share the Reality of food addiction and how I came to manage it. Blessingsl.

    Do explain how science works and why the links you posted specifically show evidence of sugar addiction in humans. Thanks
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    In ALL seriousness. EVERYONE is different. And scientific study or NOT. I can PERSONALLY attest to having an addiction to sugar. Whether it is PHSYICAL OR MENTAL is up for debates. BUT I have eaten candy or sweets in a bathroom or my car so no one else would see because I HAD to have it! AND if the only way for ME to cut terrible habits like that are to go LOW-CARB, not NO-CARB then why are you in here harassing people who choose to live differently than you? If there was ONE right way it would be THE WAY! Every body is different. Every metabolism is different! What works for one or some may not work for everyone. Humans OR rodents.

    Why didn't you go no carb for your addiction to sugars? Perhaps you're not familiar with what a sugar actually is?
  • sammycee15
    sammycee15 Posts: 12 Member
    Hi,

    Just started a low carb diet myself, wanting to shed 10 - 15 pounds, and I found some useful websites that maybe you could use to plan out your meals and grocery lists. I found that by planning out everything for the week it leaves all the guess behind and then I just have to follow it. I've also been trying to do at least 30 - 45 minutes of cardio every day but that's getting a little bit more difficult as it gets colder outside. Here are some websites I have been using, I am also more of a visual person so I like having a picture of what I can make:

    http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
    Has a bunch of great weight watcher point categories too

    http://www.pinterest.com/kathleennicole4/carb-free-foods-snacks/
    Pretty pictures

    http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/lowcarb-dieting-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
    has some helpful tips

    http://www.pinterest.com/foodjunkie1/atkins-friendly-recipes/
    Based on Atkins but pretty good recipes

    http://www.canyoustayfordinner.com/
    Her story is pretty inspiraitonal and she has a blog putting her mom on a diet going on for 14 weeks or so and complete meal plans. Most of the times there a carb for breakfast.

    My experience with low carb diet has given me some useful tips:
    - if I have oatmeal and an egg for breakfast that's most of the carb intake (and mainly fiber) that I need. I'll alternate days of sausage and eggs with sausage and oatmeal so that way its consistent
    - I build my salad lunches at night so that way I don't have to worry about it in the morning and I am not tempted by pastrami sandwiches during lunchtime at work
    - Deli meats can be asked to get cut thick, and that way you have different meats for your salads, usually i get black forest ham and honey roasted turkey at the beginning of the week
    - ask for vegetable sides when ordering out (also eat out at most twice a week a) saves you money b) no temptations for burgers)
    - don't eat at least 3 hours before sleeping
    - drink red wine (at most two glasses per day)
    - grapefruit juice helps curb hunger in the morning or as a snack, have no idea why but it does
    -CAULIFLOWER is awesome, it can turn into mashed potatoes, or cauliflower cheddar pancakes, or roasted with some olive oil, and even food processed for pizza doughish

    Hope this helps!
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Derp factor is reaching critical mass Captain Kirk!!
  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    Becuase your body NEEEDS carbs and SUGARS! JUST not an excessive amount and since I have no self control and can't limit my carbs I have to take baby steps and go from LOW carb intake to a mid HEALTHY range slowly over time, if that's okay with you?
  • myprana
    myprana Posts: 66
    When I plug the lower carbs into my goal setting, the higher protein and fat throws me for a loop. I can't see eating that much protein and fat. Heaven for some, but gross for me. I think I'll focus on lowering the sugar intake from non-produce sources. It'll lower my carbs and calories without too much fuss.
  • myprana
    myprana Posts: 66
    Okay, got my food plan set to 180g carbs, 135g protein, and 60g fat. It's still lowering my carbs by over half. Guess that counts as low carb for me. :laugh:
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Becuase your body NEEEDS carbs and SUGARS! JUST not an excessive amount and since I have no self control and can't limit my carbs I have to take baby steps and go from LOW carb intake to a mid HEALTHY range slowly over time, if that's okay with you?

    Your body does need glucose but not dietary carbs, there is a difference.
  • KRoth416
    KRoth416 Posts: 37 Member
    This site is for support. You are not being supportive, at all. So why bother? Tomato/tomatoe sugar/glucose. I am choosing to eat healthy complex carbs, increase my lean meat intake, and ditch the processed garbage I have been eating. What is the big deal. Choosing healthy alternatives to food I enjoy is not something I need to debate or defend. I chose to go low carb because it forces me to not only say no but avoid the cupcake completely. Its increasing my fiber intake, my protein intake, lowering my BAD carb intake while improving my cholesterol and blood sugar. What is so terrible?
  • ddkins49
    ddkins49 Posts: 1
    I am with you! Just started yesterday! I am following "The Belly Fat Cure" carb swap system by Jorge Cruise. Which is basically low carb and low SUGAR (I think sugar is the biggest enemy). The rule is only 15g of sugar and 6 servings of carbs a day (5-20 grams being one serving). There is no calorie counting, but I am still doing that here just cuz I want to keep that down, and it tracks the other easily for me! One day, one pound, so far:smile:
  • ILoveTheBrowns
    ILoveTheBrowns Posts: 661 Member
    Becuase your body NEEEDS carbs and SUGARS! JUST not an excessive amount and since I have no self control and can't limit my carbs I have to take baby steps and go from LOW carb intake to a mid HEALTHY range slowly over time, if that's okay with you?

    Your body does need glucose but not dietary carbs, there is a difference.

    i find you to be the most annoying person ive never met
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member

    As an engineer - you know, someone that uses science all day, every day - I can assure you he's right.

    Welp everyone...the engineer hath spoken. You heard him. Game over. ;)

    Turns out there is no such thing as a sugar craving, nor addiction. Sugar and white flour don't in ANY way cause cravings, nor do they influence your brain to respond to it in such a pleasurable way that makes you want more of it. When you've eaten that cookie and you want another one and another one, it's really just that you're weak and stupid and have no self-control. Simple as that. There is absolutely, 100%, NOTHING going on biologically - not in your brain, nor your bloodstream - when you eat sugar. Your blood levels remain steady, your brain doesn't respond...it's all a big ruse created by looneys like me who want to sell you a bill of goods.

    Oh, and when I personally stopped eating sugar and white flour I apparently did NOT stop craving my trigger foods after a couple weeks (even though I *felt* like it the cravings stopped - but apparently science contradicts the way I felt, so...my feelings must have been totally false - bummer). I did NOT lose weight because I had a new-found strength to stick to my calories since did not feel like eating baked goods all day long. No, I just suddenly, and without ANY reason whatsoever, stopped craving those things altogether because...well, just....because. Poof. It's that easy.

    So what's your problem....right? ;)
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    This site is for support. You are not being supportive, at all. So why bother? Tomato/tomatoe sugar/glucose. I am choosing to eat healthy complex carbs, increase my lean meat intake, and ditch the processed garbage I have been eating. What is the big deal. Choosing healthy alternatives to food I enjoy is not something I need to debate or defend. I chose to go low carb because it forces me to not only say no but avoid the cupcake completely. Its increasing my fiber intake, my protein intake, lowering my BAD carb intake while improving my cholesterol and blood sugar. What is so terrible?

    There's nothing terrible. You're doing exactly the right thing. You go, girl!
  • AnnACnd
    AnnACnd Posts: 72 Member
    I've cut my carbs way down and it does really make a difference. Although I find I really do need 'cheat' days! Good luck!

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