Do I have to eat 100% clean to lose weight?
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"Inherently bad"? Yes, I suppose I do believe that partially hydrogenated oils and processed meats are inherently bad.
Explain why.
Both have been shown to markedly increase risk of disease.0 -
Yes, it [IIFYM] means you will sooner or later not be able to have something you want to eat.
My point.
It's a pretty dumb point to spend so much time on, because no one ever said you'll be able to eat as much of whatever you want on IIFYM.
The things that are off-limits on IIFYM are excess nutrients. There are no foods that are off-limits.0 -
IIFYM has food boundaries. And boundaries is most likely going to mean not eating something you really like, sooner or later.
Wrong. No food is off limits.
IIFYM has NUTRIENT boundaries. Not food boundaries.
Yes, it means you will sooner or later not be able to have something you want to eat.
But it also means that you can whatever that was tomorrow, or you can plan ahead and have it today.
No way -- I thought IIFYM was eating whatever the heck you wanted! No idea you actually had to plan.0 -
What if it happens every day?
Then there are other issues at play...
Possibly. But but I would imagine a lot of people like to eat more carbs than they need. And they probably feel deprived without them. We can argue silly examples all day (or actually only for 20 more min because then I'm meeting my husband for nachos and beer), but the fact is IIFYM has food boundaries. And boundaries is most likely going to mean not eating something you really like, sooner or later.
The name If It Fits Your Macros is pretty clear that is does not mean eat whatever the hell you want, as much as you want. You can eat any food as long as it fits your macros. One more time: as long as it fits your macros. Im not even sure what you are arguing here. If you ate too much of one thing and it left you deficient on something else.....IT DID NOT FIT YOUR MACROS.0 -
Yes, it [IIFYM] means you will sooner or later not be able to have something you want to eat.
My point.
It's a pretty dumb point to spend so much time on, because no one ever said you'll be able to eat as much of whatever you want on IIFYM.
The things that are off-limits on IIFYM are excess nutrients. There are no foods that are off-limits.
I agree it's a dumb point to keep arguing. I really don't see why everyone kept saying it wasn't true.0 -
What if it happens every day?
Then there are other issues at play...
Possibly. But but I would imagine a lot of people like to eat more carbs than they need. And they probably feel deprived without them. We can argue silly examples all day (or actually only for 20 more min because then I'm meeting my husband for nachos and beer), but the fact is IIFYM has food boundaries. And boundaries is most likely going to mean not eating something you really like, sooner or later.
The name If It Fits Your Macros is pretty clear that is does not mean eat whatever the hell you want, as much as you want. You can eat any food as long as it fits your macros. One more time: as long as it fits your macros. Im not even sure what you are arguing here. If you ate too much of one thing and it left you deficient on something else.....IT DID NOT FIT YOUR MACROS.
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.0 -
What if it happens every day?
Then there are other issues at play...
Possibly. But but I would imagine a lot of people like to eat more carbs than they need. And they probably feel deprived without them. We can argue silly examples all day (or actually only for 20 more min because then I'm meeting my husband for nachos and beer), but the fact is IIFYM has food boundaries. And boundaries is most likely going to mean not eating something you really like, sooner or later.
The name If It Fits Your Macros is pretty clear that is does not mean eat whatever the hell you want, as much as you want. You can eat any food as long as it fits your macros. One more time: as long as it fits your macros. Im not even sure what you are arguing here. If you ate too much of one thing and it left you deficient on something else.....IT DID NOT FIT YOUR MACROS.
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?0 -
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.0 -
Yes, it [IIFYM] means you will sooner or later not be able to have something you want to eat.
My point.
It's a pretty dumb point to spend so much time on, because no one ever said you'll be able to eat as much of whatever you want on IIFYM.
The things that are off-limits on IIFYM are excess nutrients. There are no foods that are off-limits.
and to that point, if partially hydrogenated oils are nutrients you DON'T want in your diet, then don't include them.0 -
Massive fail trying to redefine IIFYM in terms that equate it to clean eating.0
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Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.
Typically when people speak about "depriving" themselves of food while they're on a "diet" it means they can't have them, ever, at all. Which is not the case on IIFYM.
But again, that is the case with clean eating and other styles of dieting.0 -
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.
Typically when people speak about "depriving" themselves of food while they're on a "diet" it means they can't have them, ever, at all. Which is not the case on IIFYM.
But again, that is the case with clean eating and other styles of dieting.
Some other styles yes. Agreed.
But the post I replied to indicated other diets (not just clean eating) failed because people deprived themselves and gave up and that was not a problem with IIFYM. It can.0 -
Something about putting the genie back in the bottle or unringing a bell.Nm google had the answer - guy lost almost 30lbs and his cholesterol levels improved on a junk food diet over 10 weeks.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/comments/MY01589_comments/POST=1#post0 -
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.
Not really I could go do some exercise and then eat it. With specific food restrictive diets you couldnt have it no matter how many calories you earned or had left over.0 -
Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.
Typically when people speak about "depriving" themselves of food while they're on a "diet" it means they can't have them, ever, at all. Which is not the case on IIFYM.
But again, that is the case with clean eating and other styles of dieting.
Some other styles yes. Agreed.
But the post I replied to indicated other diets (not just clean eating) failed because people deprived themselves and gave up and that was not a problem with IIFYM. It can.
Anything is possible, yes. But I have literally never heard of/seen someone give up on IIFYM due to "restrictions and deprivation".
I have, however, seen a lot of posts about people giving up on low carb/paleo/clean eating/etc.
IIFYM is the closest you can get to a "normal" (read: non diet) lifestyle.0 -
But the post I replied to indicated other diets (not just clean eating) failed because people deprived themselves and gave up and that was not a problem with IIFYM. It can.
Again, how? The thought process behind IIFYM is so flexible I can't see how that could happen... unless you are just a very poor planner.0 -
Anything is possible, yes. But I have literally never heard of/seen someone give up on IIFYM due to "restrictions and deprivation".
There are actually a lot of people that don't want to be bothered with counting macros.0 -
Anything is possible, yes. But I have literally never heard of/seen someone give up on IIFYM due to "restrictions and deprivation".
There are actually a lot of people that don't want to be bothered with counting macros.
Ok? "Don't want to be bothered with" and "giving up because I'm deprived" are two VERY different things. :huh:0 -
Not really I could go do some exercise and then eat it. With specific food restrictive diets you couldnt have it no matter how many calories you earned or had left over.
Great point...0 -
I've been struggling with this myself. When I first lost weight I ate what I wanted I just fit it into my daily calorie goal. Now I'm pretty much a clean eater I have those days but for the most part I cut out a lot. My concern is when I reach my goal weight will I feel like I can go back to the old eating and if I do will I gain the weight back.0
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Not really I could go do some exercise and then eat it. With specific food restrictive diets you couldnt have it no matter how many calories you earned or had left over.
Great point...
Exercise doesn't give you back your macros. But, I understand the general feel of what you're saying.0 -
I believe realistically the only people who ate clean were the people on Gilligan's Island.
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Got it. That wasn't what my post was about.
I am sorry, what was it about then?
That IIFYM can mean you must deprive yourself of foods you want, just like any other diet, just in a different manner.
Is not being able to eat a chocolate bar because you had a craving at 10 pm really the same as not being able to eat a chocolate bar EVER?
IIFYM is insanely flexible. If you have a craving you can modify your day to allow for it. If it is too late in the day for modification, you can plan to have it the next day. I would hardly call not being able to eat all the foods at any and all times and still be within the perimeters of program "deprivation".0 -
I've been struggling with this myself. When I first lost weight I ate what I wanted I just fit it into my daily calorie goal. Now I'm pretty much a clean eater I have those days but for the most part I cut out a lot. My concern is when I reach my goal weight will I feel like I can go back to the old eating and if I do will I gain the weight back.
If your old eating habits bring you over maintenance then yes you will gain it back. When you get to your goal weight, re-access your TDEE and eat accordingly.0 -
Anything is possible, yes. But I have literally never heard of/seen someone give up on IIFYM due to "restrictions and deprivation".
There are actually a lot of people that don't want to be bothered with counting macros.
Because MFP doesn't do that for you....0 -
I keep wondering if these arguments are simply a matter of viewpoint. If some are arguing in support of how they eat 80% of the time while others are arguing defending what they eat 20% of the time and if in reality, most folks eat pretty similarly, big picture.
It doesn't matter how you eat 80% of the time or 20% of the time.
What matters is what it all adds up to at the end of the day.
Count up the nutrients you've taken in at the end of the day, and if they add up to the right stuff then you're good. If they don't add up to the right stuff you're not good.
It doesn't matter if you eat 80% clean or 80% "junk" or 80% whatever if your overall total nutrient intake is inappropriate.0 -
Ok with this IIFYM thing, can I not go over my protein and under my carbs and be unreasonably pleased with myself?
If not, should I just try eating in moderation, sticking within a calorie range and not doing anything that will possibly cause me to cry (read: clean eating)?
Serious question btw.0 -
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ETA: And nutrients are not ALL that matters to the human body.
what else matters to the body other than nutrients and movement?0 -
Ok with this IIFYM thing, can I not go over my protein and under my carbs and be unreasonably pleased with myself?
If not, should I just try eating in moderation, sticking within a calorie range and not doing anything that will possibly cause me to cry (read: clean eating)?
Serious question btw.
If the goal is weight loss, just try eating everything in moderation, as you say. Macros play a large part in changing body composition like muscle building. And there's really no such thing as too much protein. You can set your macro levels to whatever you want, but for weight loss, I would just stick to the calorie goal.
Eating everything in moderation is the underlying principle in IIFYM. Please don't do anything that will make you cry! :flowerforyou:0
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