Don't forget to get your flu shot!
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they're both more hunches than they are well-researched conclusions.
Ah. Facts be damned.0 -
The winter season is upon us so I just wanted to give everyone a friendly reminder to get vaccinated this holiday season against this year's flu strain.
Happy Monday!
Sorry OP, it took ONE page for this thread to go insane.
(LOL. You say that like his desire for this thread was for a totally sane discussion. :drinker: )
It sounded like it but then again the subject matter tends to drive people from one side of crazy to the other.0 -
The CDC says wear helmets on motorcycles. But in 2010, 88% of motorcycle fatalities in states with helmet laws were riders wearing helmets.
So the other 12% were breaking the law
Not a meaningful example0 -
and being in the military he was required to get it every year...
Mandatory Diptheria, Hepatitis, Yellow Fever and Rabies shots, but other than that not even the anthrax shot was mandatory.
Bollox to getting a flu shot as mandatory
The anthrax vaccine series is mandatory if you are deploying to a foreign country, and so is the smallpox vaccine (which really sucks if you've ever gotten it).0 -
they're both more hunches than they are well-researched conclusions.
Ah. Facts be damned.
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions...even if I don't have cites and statistics on this particular topic at the ready...
...and the facts you've shared so far with the class have been fascinating.0 -
The winter season is upon us so I just wanted to give everyone a friendly reminder to get vaccinated this holiday season against this year's flu strain.
Happy Monday!
Sorry OP, it took ONE page for this thread to go insane.
(LOL. You say that like his desire for this thread was for a totally sane discussion. :drinker: )
Of course not. Was just a PSA.
Have no idea what PSA means. Googled it. One of the acronyms had me :laugh: PSA Prostate-Specific Antigen (test)0 -
Maybe not in the UK, but in the US:
Oh I gathered that, and it doesn't surprise me given how unthinkingly an excessively bureaucratic the US military is.
Still think it's excessive, the risk within the community is not that high.0 -
I don't take the flu shot
this!0 -
Still think it's excessive, the risk within the community is not that high.
I see. So what is the risk in that community, exactly? Please use numbers when answering.0 -
The winter season is upon us so I just wanted to give everyone a friendly reminder to get vaccinated this holiday season against this year's flu strain.
Happy Monday!
Sorry OP, it took ONE page for this thread to go insane.
(LOL. You say that like his desire for this thread was for a totally sane discussion. :drinker: )
Of course not. Was just a PSA.
Have no idea what PSA means. Googled it. One of the acronyms had me :laugh: PSA Prostate-Specific Antigen (test)
Public Service Announcement. :laugh:0 -
Have never had one nor do I intend on getting one.
THIS! The one time I did get the flu shot, I was sicker than I have ever been in my life with...you guessed it...the flu. I have not gotten one since and have yet to get the flu. The best defense against a sickness is eating right and exercising. While I do believe in vaccinating your child against mumps, measles, etc..., I survived most of my life without the flu shot and intend to live a lot longer without it, as well.0 -
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions..
Apparently it doesn't take much reading for you to be comfortable with your conclusions.
Someone's feeling mighty punchy today0 -
Mandatory Diptheria, Hepatitis, Yellow Fever and Rabies shots, but other than that not even the anthrax shot was mandatory.
Bollox to getting a flu shot as mandatory
The anthrax vaccine series is mandatory if you are deploying to a foreign country, and so is the smallpox vaccine (which really sucks if you've ever gotten it).
Suspect the reason that I didn't list smallpox is that it has a very long validity, so I'm probably in-date anyway.
Anthrax was offered to us for Iraq in the 90s subsequently. Only two people in my unit took it, the CO and one other. Certainly can't see the need for it in a region where there is no threat.0 -
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions..
Apparently it doesn't take much reading for you to be comfortable with your conclusions.
Someone's feeling mighty punchy today
Among the few things that really get my goat are people talking about thier "conclusions" that are contrary to established data. Another is people alluding to "data" that doesn't exist or using weasel words like "not that high" when referring to data they aren't actually aware of.0 -
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions..
Apparently it doesn't take much reading for you to be comfortable with your conclusions.
Interesting conclusion of your own there.
ETA: Also, I think you're confusing things that have been said as having been said by me. Remember, just because I don't agree with all of your conclusions, doesn't mean that I agree with all of the conclusions of those who disagree with you.0 -
Maybe not in the UK, but in the US:
Oh I gathered that, and it doesn't surprise me given how unthinkingly an excessively bureaucratic the US military is.
Still think it's excessive, the risk within the community is not that high.
As a former military member, I might be inclined to agree (where the military operates under normal circumstances), but the spread of communicable diseases throughout deployed locations and basic training can be very fast. Living quarters, dining facilities, gyms, and the sort are used by everyone. And most of those aren't always concerned about hand-washing and basic hygiene.0 -
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions..
Apparently it doesn't take much reading for you to be comfortable with your conclusions.
Interesting conclusion of your own there.
Well when there's plenty of data showing the flu vaccine to be effective, and your "hunch" from being "well-read" is that policies for health care and military workers concerning the vaccine are not really based on any data....... there isn't really any other conclusion to draw.0 -
The winter season is upon us so I just wanted to give everyone a friendly reminder to get vaccinated this holiday season against this year's flu strain.
Happy Monday!
Sorry OP, it took ONE page for this thread to go insane.
(LOL. You say that like his desire for this thread was for a totally sane discussion. :drinker: )
Of course not. Was just a PSA.
Have no idea what PSA means. Googled it. One of the acronyms had me :laugh: PSA Prostate-Specific Antigen (test)
Public Service Announcement. :laugh:
I like my findings better! So they must be QFT! Much like a lot of other info in this thread 0 -
i don't get the flu shot because its basically a guessing game at which strain of the flu they're trying to prevent each year, as I was told by my EMS teacher.0
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Mandatory Diptheria, Hepatitis, Yellow Fever and Rabies shots, but other than that not even the anthrax shot was mandatory.
Bollox to getting a flu shot as mandatory
The anthrax vaccine series is mandatory if you are deploying to a foreign country, and so is the smallpox vaccine (which really sucks if you've ever gotten it).
Suspect the reason that I didn't list smallpox is that it has a very long validity, so I'm probably in-date anyway.
Anthrax was offered to us for Iraq in the 90s subsequently. Only two people in my unit took it, the CO and one other. Certainly can't see the need for it in a region where there is no threat.
This kind of goes off topic a bit, but it was explained to me that it was in case there was a biological attack. There wasn't really an expressed concern of getting it from another person.0 -
Technically your right, until a year from now:)I have never had one and won't until it is "required" which should be very soon under government run healthcare.
It's not mandatory anywhere else there is socialised healthcare...
There is no socialized (or "government-run") healthcare in the US either.0 -
Technically your right, until a year from now:)I have never had one and won't until it is "required" which should be very soon under government run healthcare.
It's not mandatory anywhere else there is socialised healthcare...
There is no socialized (or "government-run") healthcare in the US either.
Not sure what you think happens a year from now, but I'm reasonably sure it's not what you think it is.0 -
No flu shot for me.
...says all the people with MMR/ Pertussis Vaccines! LOL
You're right. I did have the vaccine for pertussis and ended up with it anyway. That seems to be what happens with flu shots as well. No thanks.0 -
I'm well-read enough in general that I'm comfortable with my conclusions..
Apparently it doesn't take much reading for you to be comfortable with your conclusions.
Interesting conclusion of your own there.
Well when there's plenty of data showing the flu vaccine to be effective, and your "hunch" from being "well-read" is that policies for health care and military workers concerning the vaccine are not really based on any data....... there isn't really any other conclusion to draw.
Where did I say the flu vaccine wasn't "effective"? (Arguing that I will not take it given my current circumstances and based entirely on my own personal experience with it <> "not effective" in a more general sense.)
Fortunately, I'm just "allergic" to the flu vax and not to straw.
Oh, and how are you so convinced that the requirement that military personnel be required to receive certain vaccinations is not related to the level of bureaucracy/control the military complex has? To claim that you understand fully the motivations of the military complex is...well, interesting.0 -
No flu shot for me or my daughter.0
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and being in the military he was required to get it every year...
Mandatory Diptheria, Hepatitis, Yellow Fever and Rabies shots, but other than that not even the anthrax shot was mandatory.
Bollox to getting a flu shot as mandatory
yes, it is mandatory at least for the us navy. basicaly if the CDC and/or WHO has ever heard of it the navy vacc's for it, and if you try to duck it your command will find you and escort you to medical for it, unless you get a waver... and the vacc better kill you for you get one of those0 -
Still think it's excessive, the risk within the community is not that high.
I see. So what is the risk in that community, exactly? Please use numbers when answering.
I can give you the commanders perspective, so based on the medics advice rather than rooting around for figures myself
When there are concentrations of personnel the main risks to address are D&V, common cold and overuse injuries. There are a number of mitigations but the forecasting of likely strains of flu aren't representative of the population, particularly in the deployed environment.
Feel free to get uptight about figures; as a commander there were more meaningful things to be worried about.0 -
Technically your right, until a year from now:)I have never had one and won't until it is "required" which should be very soon under government run healthcare.
It's not mandatory anywhere else there is socialised healthcare...
There is no socialized (or "government-run") healthcare in the US either.
Not sure what you think happens a year from now, but I'm reasonably sure it's not what you think it is.
At least you're consistent. Your naivety with the current (and likely future) level of government influence in healthcare is consistent with your position on the military regulations.0 -
Where did I say the flu vaccine wasn't "effective"?
You didn't, and no one said you did.0 -
Still think it's excessive, the risk within the community is not that high.
I see. So what is the risk in that community, exactly? Please use numbers when answering.
I can give you the commanders perspective, so based on the medics advice rather than rooting around for figures myself
When there are concentrations of personnel the main risks to address are D&V, common cold and overuse injuries. There are a number of mitigations but the forecasting of likely strains of flu aren't representative of the population, particularly in the deployed environment.
Feel free to get uptight about figures; as a commander there were more meaningful things to be worried about.
So when you say "the risk is not that high"....... what you actually mean is "I don't really know what the risk is."0
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