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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it

So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.

Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.

It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.

Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.

But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.


My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.

This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.

Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.

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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it

So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.

Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.

It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.

Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.

But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.


My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.

This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.

Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.

It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.

We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.

Soooo... no research, studies or proof then?

I also note you have in no way answered the shaming vs education point.

in other words, you wouldn't have shamed smokers and drug addicts, when teaching kids about cigarettes and drugs, because of MUH FEEEELINGS

I don't believing in shaming people because I'm an adult and don't use childish bullying tactics. There's awareness and education and then there's what you're talking about...and that's two totally different things. Awareness - YES but why feel the need to fat shame?

Grow up.

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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it

So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.

Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.

It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.

Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.

But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.


My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.

This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.

Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.

It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.

We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.

Soooo... no research, studies or proof then?

I also note you have in no way answered the shaming vs education point.

she asked for proof on how it'll stop current fat people from slimming down, when I'm talking about how it'll keep KIDS and TEENAGERS from overeating, as that'd be the goal.

So in that regard, you're legitimately wondering if shaming cigarette smokers has helped kids not smoke when they get older?

I'm asking for proof, studies, research, not your 'pretty good bet'. and for the hundredth time, I'm asking that you address the 'shaming' v. education point, as I live in a country where 34 years of government have agreed on the education/deterrence path to combat smoking, when they barely agree on anything else, with the effect of a substantial reduction in smokers.

Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.

It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.

We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.

Thank you for graciously proving my point: no research, no dice.

she asked for proof on how it'll stop current fat people from slimming down, when I'm talking about how it'll keep KIDS and TEENAGERS from overeating, as that'd be the goal.

So in that regard, you're legitimately wondering if shaming cigarette smokers has helped kids not smoke when they get older?

You have no proof on how fat shaming will deter teenagers from overeating either. None. Zip. Zilch. Every time you are confronted on a point and asked for proof you change your mind on what you're saying. You're backpeddling and you're not very good at it.

I've never seen any campaign that shamed smokers and drug addicts. The most powerful thing to me regarding smoking is a display at a children's fair that copied you "crawling" through a healthy lung and then "crawling" through a smoker's lung. That's not shame. That's education. That's showing cause and effect. Resorting to bullying is what children do because they have no way to cope with their own low self esteem.

Change the lame stigma on eating well, as well as being overweight. Shame people who are fat, in a similar way that we do with people who smoke cigarettes.

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So much no.. I understand part of your reasoning but seriousely shaming body images is a HUGE NO for me.

My 2 cents is that thinking Europeans are somehow thinner is an old myth and if it was ever true, it isn't any more.

Uhm, from personal experience I can say that I noticed a huge difference between Europeans and Americans. Well, between Europeans and people from Florida anyway . I tried to order a 'normal' breakfast in Miami and got served the biggest hamburger I've ever seen, with a side of fries and crocodile nuggets. I don't think I've seen much veggies on my trip. In the Netherlands you would get served a slice of bread with cheese .

All kidding aside, the PORTION SIZE seems to be the problem. A small US portion would be a medium or large portion here. Also 'easy' food. It's everywhere!

OP, what entire generation has avoided drugs?

Shaming the overweight has been a part of American culture for as long as it has been socially unappealing to be heavier. Shamed children and adults don't give up easy, available coping methods. There are very few overweight people who want to be overweight. Many shame themselves more than any campaign could do.

If you want to try some education initiatives, teach impulse control and how to deal with temptation and stress. Teach other ways of rewarding, soothing, and celebrating other than food. (Not instead of, but in addition to, because delicious food is rewarding, and you can't fight biology.) Comparing a fried egg to your brain is catchy, but when you are older and a number of your peers are shaming you for not trying it, that egg doesn't do much to teach you how to be ok saying no. (Does it help some kids? I'm sure. ) Take drugs out of it; there is no realistic world where temptation won't be readily available to most of us and most of our children when it comes to food. This is a part of culture that has just changed. (In populations with sufficient resources, anyway.)

Shame all you like, but if the person feeling miserable already struggles with moderation and comforting himself, he's just going to go grab a bag of chips and eat the whole thing. Because it was a couple of bucks, it was good, and he's so fat, people think it's ok to treat him as less than. He'll feel, "I'll always be this way, why try? May as well stay this way and feel good." Or, "I'll change tomorrow. Today I feel like crap." Will it reach someone? Probably. But as you pointed out, this isn't about individuals. If you are trying to help the most people possible, shame won't work.

Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so.

Generally I see a lot less people smoking than 20 years ago, say. If anything, you expect to SEE more now, as they tend to be forced out on to the streets and so on.
Do you disagree with all sorts of 'shaming'? What about drunk driving? How about sexual abuse? Violence?

Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so.

Generally I see a lot less people smoking than 20 years ago, say. If anything, you expect to SEE more now, as they tend to be forced out on to the streets and so on.
Do you disagree with all sorts of 'shaming'? What about drunk driving? How about sexual abuse? Violence?

Drunk drivers and sex offenders hurt other people. Fat people and smokers only hurting themselves. I wouldn't shame someone for getting a dui even if I don't think they should be drinking and driving. Sex offenders are an exception because they are predators and hurting women and kids

Fat shaming and controlling everything I ingest? No thank you.

This post is utterly ridiculous.

Believe me, I'm sure some cigarette smokers were furious when they were stereotyped as the degenerates of society, in anti-smoking propaganda aimed at kids, but imagine all the lives were saved as the result.

right now a lot of people can't afford to eat healthy.

Sounds like a nice excuse, doesn't it? That's all that is. I can stay within a healthy weight range, get proper nutrition and exercise on a very low budget. It requires the ability to read, which I know under special circumstances some can't, but a majority of the populace has this capability.