Paleo = dying young?

Cavemen also drank untreated water, and hunted for their food daily, sucked marrow out of bones, and scavenged when they had to......................................................I'm betting no paleo person on here does that.

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Wow. And you're supposed to be a personal/fitness trainer. This may be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in a while. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the nutritional plan WHATSOEVER. Way to be bring asinine to the party.

Ninerbuff doesn't need to prove anything to nayone and so far your contributions are meh. lol

No one needs to prove anything. I'm just asking for logical statements. Disagree all you want. But saying something totally nonsensical is stupid. Tomatoes are red. True, but who cares?

And I'm sure Ninerbuff is a big boy and can fight his own battles if he chooses to do so.

His point was paleo is based on a logical fallacy.

Well, that's where I disagree then. Is it one hundred percent perfect? No. But there is definitely logic behind its nutritional basis and the physiological responses in the body, and is particularly important for people with certain issues (whether it was designed for those specific purposes or not).

Believer= cherry pick data, disregard what doesn't align with my thinking and make grand generalizations that might cover said *kitten*. Ok, gotcha.

If you want to think it's cherry picking data, fine. I think the data shows an important trend --one that will only be further developed with more studies. Is it definitive or conclusive? No, but almost nothing in the scientific community relating to the body is because we still have so much to learn about the body's processes.

If you want to reject it, that's fine. Your prerogative. But, to pretend that there is no logical basis is simply wrong. One you may not agree with is different. Reasonable and logical people can have different opinions and draw different conclusions from the same fact set. That doesn't necessarily negate the other as being reasonable or logical.

There's many reason why people are obese and most is not related to their diet but more so psychological that probably stems back to their childhood........how depression going in North America, last time I looked it was scary. It's natural to believe in a theory that aligns with our thought process. Blaming sugar, HFCS, wheat/grains/dairy/saturated fat/cholesterol/refined carbs/simple carbs/meat/processed meat/gluten/salt/fruit et al is a fools game especially considering the most healthy people on the planet (google blue zone) consume all those to some degree. Nobody it appears want to take personal responsibility for their lack of daily exercise and their gluttony, but would rather formulate a set of reason instead.

The real question is, what did our ancient Annunaki overloads feed our ancestors.

Also, contributors -- though I think the industrial revolution in the mid 1800s, the level of sedentary jobs hasn't increased at the same rate as obesity in this country. And a lot of those nutrient shallow, high calorie foods are filled with sugar substitutes and grain-based carbs. Coincidence?

Do you have data for that claim? What about when you factor in rises in TV viewing, video gaming, and computer use time?

Bottom line is that obesity has risen because people move less and eat more. People move less because jobs are more sedentary and indoor, sit-on-your-butt leisure activities such as HDTV and internet have increased. People eat more because calories are more delicious, more convenient, and cheaper now than they have ever been throughout human history.

There's no mystery here. It's not toxins or demon nutrients that are making people fat. It's sitting on your butt more and eating more. The solution therefore is, as always, to move more and eat less.

Ironically when people ask me how I lost so much weight, unless they are truly my friend and someone I care about I reply "Eat Less, Move More". I'm lying. I know I'm lying. I don't have time to talk to eveyone who asks about why I look so good in comparison to a couple years ago.

I really don't want to divulge how using MFP paired with Primal diet has cured cronic symptoms, given me more energy and the fat loss is icing on the cake of not being sick. Because they'll start trash talking calorie restriction and Paleo and telling me how much I inspired them in the same sentence.

So I don't. I give a white lie, that is mostly harmless, that I know isn't going to help anyone achieve a damn thing. "Eat less, Move more." My LIE. My LIE I tell people I hardly know or care about.

Think about that.

This has been a very similar experience I've had and for many others I know that went Primal. I didn't have nearly the horror stories some people did with the chronic illness issues, but eating less and moving more wasn't working for me AT ALL. I was eating at 700+ daily deficit just to maintain my weight. And the doctors just said -- eat less and move more.

Switching to Primal helped immeasurably with fatigue, which was probably my biggest issue, but also in other smaller ways like being more focused and sleeping through the night (totally new for me!). And my cholesterol levels became awesome. After a year of that and still not losing much weight, my primary doctor was amazed at my new blood tests and asked what I'd done -- gone Primal. I was still really struggling to lose weight (even after training and running a half marathon) and ended up going to a specialist -- and lo and behold, I had both Hashi's and insulin resistance (which he says likely has gotten considerably better on Primal and low-ish carb which I'd been doing for the past year).

I didn't have crazy symptoms or extreme weight -- probably only 30-40 lbs. But I knew something was wrong but was told for YEARS, nope, nothing. I suspect my story is not that different from many out there. They too likely don't have huge issues, but are far from optimal, and have some underlying issue that eat less and move more isn't getting it done.

It would be extremely instructive if you could open your diary and then point to the time period you were eating 700+ calorie daily deficits without losing weight so we could compare to the time period you were eating Primal and losing weight.

I see you've been here since 2009 so I assume you were logging on MFP pre-Primal.

So could you show us this data, please?

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

The real question is, what did our ancient Annunaki overloads feed our ancestors.

It would be extremely instructive if you could open your diary and then point to the time period you were eating 700+ calorie daily deficits without losing weight so we could compare to the time period you were eating Primal and losing weight.

I see you've been here since 2009 so I assume you were logging on MFP pre-Primal.

So could you show us this data, please?

I don't have that data.

What a shame. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it then, huh?

In contrast to your lack of data substantiating your claims, my diary is fully open and I will happily link to my complete history of weight and body composition data as well. The reader following along may make his or her own conclusions.

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

I'll just leave this here

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

I totally agree. Is Paleo a big conspiracy by organic farmers and grass-fed ranchers?

If anything, Paleo is an anti-fad diet. It goes against the grain of the big business behind factory farms, dairy, wheat/grains, weight loss industry, fast food industry, etc. I don't think Paleo/Primal have any special interest groups lobbying in Washington and yet all those other groups do....hmmmm...

Ugh, I have offered data, just not my own personal set. I've offered my testimony -- that is data. It's just as reliable data as a food diary as I could have manufactured that as well. I just know now that you're not interested in an honest discussion an exchange of ideas, but just tearing down people that have had difference experiences than you.

Cavemen also drank untreated water, and hunted for their food daily, sucked marrow out of bones, and scavenged when they had to......................................................I'm betting no paleo person on here does that.

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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I told you that it was a 700+ daily deficit as an average -- that's data. Showing you further underlying data supporting that is not necessary unless you don't believe it.

I told you that it was a 700+ daily deficit as an average -- that's data. Showing you further underlying data supporting that is not necessary unless you don't believe it.

Let me make it clear: I do not believe that you were eating an average 700+ calorie daily deficit and not losing weight.