Paleo = dying young?

It would be extremely instructive if you could open your diary and then point to the time period you were eating 700+ calorie daily deficits without losing weight so we could compare to the time period you were eating Primal and losing weight.

I see you've been here since 2009 so I assume you were logging on MFP pre-Primal.

So could you show us this data, please?

I don't have that data.

What a shame. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it then, huh?

In contrast to your lack of data substantiating your claims, my diary is fully open and I will happily link to my complete history of weight and body composition data as well. The reader following along may make his or her own conclusions.

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

I'll just leave this here

That's awesome! That works for you.
I just wish people would just let each other do their own thing...took me a while on here to realize that everyone has to find what works for them.
And obviously, it was more than her just telling me how great she feels...she's lost 20 pounds, 3 dress sizes, and her stomach issues are gone as well as her joint inflammation.
What happened to just being happy for someone and thinking it's great that they found something that works for them instead of always a debate?

Let's talk about this.

So when someone posts in the forums that they're starting HCG, a diet that is known to be dangerous and restricts calories to a level the body can't handle, we should say what? "Good for you! Whatever works!"

If someone is pushing an obvious sales pitch to sell some MLM marketing meal replacement that does little for health and is very overpriced...should we not say a word and let new members line up to be fleeced only to face disappointment later?

Every single fad diet in the world has someone promoting it. No matter how dangerous or stupid. If there's money to be made someone is out there trying to separate people desperate to lose weight from their hard earned cash.

IF you stand by your diet plan, back up your words! Have some evidence for the claims you're making. Don't just say "everyone's different, different things work for everyone." Truth is everyone is pretty much the same. If we weren't it would be REALLY hard to be a doctor. Hell MFP only works because it knows if you're X height, X age, and X weight you need to eat X calories a day to lose weight. If we were all so very different and unique none of this would work.

You lose weight with a calorie deficit. Some people who suffer from allergies or conditions like PCOS or Hashimotos need to limit certain food groups. Other than that? We're all the same. We lose weight by eating less calories.

If someone tells you different, they're trying to sell you something.

Who is trying to "sell" anything with paleo? Farmers should benefit, since we're eating more natural, unprocessed foods. I don't see any big corporations backing paleo - there's no money in it for them!

If I had a friend planning to try a "fad" diet that in my opinion would be unhealthy, then I would tell them. Fad diets are promoted by companies trying to make a buck. How can eating real food be considered a fad?

I totally agree. Is Paleo a big conspiracy by organic farmers and grass-fed ranchers?

If anything, Paleo is an anti-fad diet. It goes against the grain of the big business behind factory farms, dairy, wheat/grains, weight loss industry, fast food industry, etc. I don't think Paleo/Primal have any special interest groups lobbying in Washington and yet all those other groups do....hmmmm...

Ugh, I have offered data, just not my own personal set. I've offered my testimony -- that is data. It's just as reliable data as a food diary as I could have manufactured that as well. I just know now that you're not interested in an honest discussion an exchange of ideas, but just tearing down people that have had difference experiences than you.

Cavemen also drank untreated water, and hunted for their food daily, sucked marrow out of bones, and scavenged when they had to......................................................I'm betting no paleo person on here does that.

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I told you that it was a 700+ daily deficit as an average -- that's data. Showing you further underlying data supporting that is not necessary unless you don't believe it.

I told you that it was a 700+ daily deficit as an average -- that's data. Showing you further underlying data supporting that is not necessary unless you don't believe it.

Let me make it clear: I do not believe that you were eating an average 700+ calorie daily deficit and not losing weight.