Paleo = dying young?
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All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.0 -
The point was that if paleo is the ultimate way to eat because one is emulating a caveman, then by all means truly eat like one and I'll take it more seriously.:laugh: I hear opinions like this in the gym daily, and people that do it aren't really any more fit or healthier than the ones that don't.Cavemen also drank untreated water, and hunted for their food daily, sucked marrow out of bones, and scavenged when they had to......................................................I'm betting no paleo person on here does that.
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Wow. And you're supposed to be a personal/fitness trainer. This may be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in a while. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the nutritional plan WHATSOEVER. Way to be bring asinine to the party.
One can EASILY get correct nutritional values daily eating food that is sold on the market today. Eating whole foods will achieve most of it.
While I disagree with the OP title, since I know that health care has a lot to do with longevity, one doesn't need to eat paleo to ensure they are nutritionally fortifying themselves correctly.
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Who's saying it's the ultimate way to eat. It's a way of eating, it's not for everybody but it works. We all have a bias on the diets we do.
If you don't want to eat primal or paleo don't. No one is forcing you.
Unlike the PBS we accept other trails of thought.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
All this does is make you look petty. To lose weight you must restrict calories. You do not need to restrict specific foods.
"Restrictive diet" means "a diet that restricts the specific foods you are allowed to eat."
You already knew this, but for your sake we will pretend you didn't and you simply misunderstood the term.
Now that you have been explicitly told what "restrictive diet" means I hope you will stop this nonsense thread pollution.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
There is a difference between restricting caloric intake and restricting what kinds of food you eat.
Having certain macro percentages doesn't eliminate ANY particular food from your diet.
And primal doesn't restrict any macro nutrient from its diet.
Just like a calorie is a calorie - a restrictive diet is a restrictive diet!!????????✋0 -
Okay take primal on face value assume that we must eat 100% by the book.
What nutritionally valuable food can we not eat?
Ok I'll bite... bread.0 -
Okay take primal on face value assume that we must eat 100% by the book.
What nutritionally valuable food can we not eat?
Ok I'll bite... bread.
Now he'll tell you why bread doesn't meet his definition of "nutritionally valuable."0 -
You're pulling 2-3 day weekend out of a longer period to mis-represent me. Pull the report from 1/1/2014 - current and your arguement is invalid.
Those days were certainly not representative of an 80/20 balance, but the rest of the year which you completely fail to mention is closer to a 95/5 balance. Seriously, stop mis-representing me. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I spend hours and hours each week cooking, prepping, storing, purchasing, eating Primal/Paleo foods and salads. I make 1-3 salads almost every single day, not because all I eat is candy and pizza, it's because when there's a party and a holiday I can induldge and not even feel remotely guilty because it's far from representative.
You're not proving any point at all by trash talking a few non-representative days of my diet.
I am kind of honored, however, that you pulled every single "%20" item in the last month to post here in the forum, which is fine, that's why my diary is open. I love beer and chocolate. I even love pizza even though I've only had it once this year, at my daughter's birthday party.
Pizza makes me sick. The sweets I can tolerate on a more regular basis. There's a lot of ice cream deserts in there, on top of salads, eggs, meat, veggies, tea etc etc etc I always eat throughout a normal day.
Either way, I don't need your approval to know I'm Paleo, although I consider myself more Primal because I do eat dairy. I wouldn't really concern yourself with the difference between Paleo and Primal, they're both very similar and it almost boils down to which asthetic (or gift wrap to your diet present) you find most appealing, in my personal opinion.
Oh, so you admit your diet for the past couple of weeks has been nothing remotely close to Paleo. Or Primal. You keep using the terms interchangeably so I'm not sure which one you think you're actually following.
I wonder if all the symptoms you talked about before have come back in the past month or so, since your diet has had so much chocolate, cake, booze, deep-fried foods, and fast food in that time period?
The entire point isn't that you're an idiot. As I've said, the foods you're eating are fine IMO. The point is that your "LIE" is not a lie. You're losing weight by eating less and moving more.
Name calling? That's really going to prove something!0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
Holy hell dude!! :yawn: Where is that cloud gif??0 -
Okay take primal on face value assume that we must eat 100% by the book.
What nutritionally valuable food can we not eat?
Ok I'll bite... bread.
Now he'll tell you why bread doesn't meet his definition of "nutritionally valuable."
Of course he will...0 -
You're pulling 2-3 day weekend out of a longer period to mis-represent me. Pull the report from 1/1/2014 - current and your arguement is invalid.
Those days were certainly not representative of an 80/20 balance, but the rest of the year which you completely fail to mention is closer to a 95/5 balance. Seriously, stop mis-representing me. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I spend hours and hours each week cooking, prepping, storing, purchasing, eating Primal/Paleo foods and salads. I make 1-3 salads almost every single day, not because all I eat is candy and pizza, it's because when there's a party and a holiday I can induldge and not even feel remotely guilty because it's far from representative.
You're not proving any point at all by trash talking a few non-representative days of my diet.
I am kind of honored, however, that you pulled every single "%20" item in the last month to post here in the forum, which is fine, that's why my diary is open. I love beer and chocolate. I even love pizza even though I've only had it once this year, at my daughter's birthday party.
Pizza makes me sick. The sweets I can tolerate on a more regular basis. There's a lot of ice cream deserts in there, on top of salads, eggs, meat, veggies, tea etc etc etc I always eat throughout a normal day.
Either way, I don't need your approval to know I'm Paleo, although I consider myself more Primal because I do eat dairy. I wouldn't really concern yourself with the difference between Paleo and Primal, they're both very similar and it almost boils down to which asthetic (or gift wrap to your diet present) you find most appealing, in my personal opinion.
Oh, so you admit your diet for the past couple of weeks has been nothing remotely close to Paleo. Or Primal. You keep using the terms interchangeably so I'm not sure which one you think you're actually following.
I wonder if all the symptoms you talked about before have come back in the past month or so, since your diet has had so much chocolate, cake, booze, deep-fried foods, and fast food in that time period?
The entire point isn't that you're an idiot. As I've said, the foods you're eating are fine IMO. The point is that your "LIE" is not a lie. You're losing weight by eating less and moving more.
Name calling? That's really going to prove something!
Hmm. My post says you're NOT an idiot.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
All this does is make you look petty. To lose weight you must restrict calories. You do not need to restrict specific foods.
"Restrictive diet" means "a diet that restricts the specific foods you are allowed to eat."
You already knew this, but for your sake we will pretend you didn't and you simply misunderstood the term.
Now that you have been explicitly told what "restrictive diet" means I hope you will stop this nonsense thread pollution.
Dietary restriction means
Voluntary limitation of nutrient intake, food intake or food choices by humans in experimental and non-experimental situations.
Yes that means a calorie restrict diet as well.0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
There is a difference between restricting caloric intake and restricting what kinds of food you eat.
Having certain macro percentages doesn't eliminate ANY particular food from your diet.
And primal doesn't restrict any macro nutrient from its diet.
Just like a calorie is a calorie - a restrictive diet is a restrictive diet!!????????✋
You do realize that there is a macronutrient breakdown associated with primal and paleo eating, right? Or have you not delved into the real literature that has been published about this type of eating?0 -
It's okay to disagree. Logic applies when actual science helps to verify it. For instance studies show that flash frozen vegetables are as good or better than organic vegetables. A true paleo person probably wouldn't even consider frozen vegetables because they go through processing. However, most fruit and vegetables are picked well before ripening which directly affects it's nutritional value. Does that sound logical?Well, that's where I disagree then. Is it one hundred percent perfect? No. But there is definitely logic behind its nutritional basis and the physiological responses in the body, and is particularly important for people with certain issues (whether it was designed for those specific purposes or not).
http://www.nutrition411.com/education-materials/fruits-and-vegetables/item/28481-vegetable-debate-fresh-frozen-or-canned
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/12/14/did-know-frozen-can-be-healthier-than-fresh/
http://www.livescience.com/35648-fresh-veggies-frozen-canned.html
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All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
There is a difference between restricting caloric intake and restricting what kinds of food you eat.
Having certain macro percentages doesn't eliminate ANY particular food from your diet.
And primal doesn't restrict any macro nutrient from its diet.
Just like a calorie is a calorie - a restrictive diet is a restrictive diet!!????????✋
You do realize that there is a macronutrient breakdown associated with primal and paleo eating, right? Or have you not delved into the real literature that has been published about this type of eating?
He's pretty new to this stuff. It was just last week he learned, after about 15 posts where he tried to instruct us about human metabolics, that "keytones" aren't a thing.0 -
Maybe if we just replaced the word "Paleo" with "Natural/Unprocessed Food" diet it would keep people from attacking the concept?
But then no one would follow it. You can't market a restrictive diet without a catchy name.
You're eating a restrictive diet! Everyone on this site it! Just because we're not doing it your way, why does that upset you so much.
Maybe it's hug time????
Don't follow. My diet has no restrictions on which foods I may eat.
No but you're restricted on how much of your amazing range of food you can eat so therefore it's a restrictive diet, any diet with boundaries are!
Don't try to be logical. He's not a fan of the logic.
I think you may be the one that is not a fan of the logic. Seriously, let me spell it out for ya. He is NOT against people eating healthily. He is however not a fan of people claiming things without providing facts. He chooses to not restrict things from his diet but still eats at a deficit and he has lost a bunch of weight. He is not saying that any of ANYONES ways of doing things are wrong, he is simply stating that as long as you eat at a deficit you will lose weight. He is absolutely correct unless of course you have a MEDICALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITION but I believe we talked about this before. Please go back and READ everything before replying. It will make things much easier on everyone. Thanks.
That's the whole point though. There are plenty of people that won't lose at a deficit and yet don't have a medically diagnosed condition YET -- just like was my problem for YEARS. It was only after pushing doctors for YEARS and showing them things like my food diary and eventually trying out a few specialists, that I finally got the tests I needed and the underlying medical condition was found/diagnosed. And there may be other conditions that we don't really know about yet which are causing these issues as well. But strangely, things like the Paleo diet help them -- you'll find tons of people that will testify to that, and I suspect they have undiagnosed medical issues, whether certain vitamin deficiencies (like D, iodine or magnesium), hormone imbalances (like insulin resistance, thyroid issues, adrenal issues), food allergies/sensitivities/intolerances (Celiac, gluten sensitivities, etc.) or autoimmune disease.
I could have gone another 10-15 years fighting the whole calories in and calories out thing and being endless frustrated. And 4 doctors would have said everything was fine. But, it wasn't. And the Primal/Paleo diet was literally the only thing that helped me prior to figuring out the underlying cause/issue -- which I only learned about later.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
There is a difference between restricting caloric intake and restricting what kinds of food you eat.
Having certain macro percentages doesn't eliminate ANY particular food from your diet.
And primal doesn't restrict any macro nutrient from its diet.
Just like a calorie is a calorie - a restrictive diet is a restrictive diet!!????????✋
You do realize that there is a macronutrient breakdown associated with primal and paleo eating, right? Or have you not delved into the real literature that has been published about this type of eating?
I'm not disputing that primal is restrictive (my previous post was tongue in cheek) sorry British humour can be a little subtle.
I am saying that all diets are by there very nature restrictive. Some of the PBS seem to think there's aren't I was just trying to break the news gentle.0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?
You're intelligent Johnny work it out!0 -
That's the whole point though. There are plenty of people that won't lose at a deficit and yet don't have a medically diagnosed condition YET -- just like was my problem for YEARS. It was only after pushing doctors for YEARS and showing them things like my food diary and eventually trying out a few specialists, that I finally got the tests I needed and the underlying medical condition was found/diagnosed. And there may be other conditions that we don't really know about yet which are causing these issues as well. But strangely, things like the Paleo diet help them -- you'll find tons of people that will testify to that, and I suspect they have undiagnosed medical issues, whether certain vitamin deficiencies (like D, iodine or magnesium), hormone imbalances (like insulin resistance, thyroid issues, adrenal issues), food allergies/sensitivities/intolerances (Celiac, gluten sensitivities, etc.) or autoimmune disease.
I could have gone another 10-15 years fighting the whole calories in and calories out thing and being endless frustrated. And 4 doctors would have said everything was fine. But, it wasn't. And the Primal/Paleo diet was literally the only thing that helped me prior to figuring out the underlying cause/issue -- which I only learned about later.
People who have genuinely not had results on a bona fide calorie restricted diet should be under the care of a physician for an undiagnosed disease. Plain and simple.
We don't really see that kind of person around MFP. A lot of people have claimed that they tried calorie restriction with no results, but one of two things is invariably the case:
1) Their diaries show logging practices that are far from accurate and consistent, or
2) Their diaries are closed and they have no data to show at all.
Of hundreds of people who have claimed that calorie restriction is not working for them, I have yet to see a single one that had the food diary to back it up.0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?
You're intelligent Johnny work it out!
I'm afraid I can't. Can you please tell us what it stands for?0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
It's calorie restrictive, not food restrictive >>
Your diet consists of WHAT you it, not how many calories.0 -
Really? Do you think that someone who ate nothing but processed foods, would be unable to meet nutritional goals and still stay within their calorie limit?
The point was that if paleo is the ultimate way to eat because one is emulating a caveman, then by all means truly eat like one and I'll take it more seriously.:laugh: I hear opinions like this in the gym daily, and people that do it aren't really any more fit or healthier than the ones that don't.Cavemen also drank untreated water, and hunted for their food daily, sucked marrow out of bones, and scavenged when they had to......................................................I'm betting no paleo person on here does that.
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Wow. And you're supposed to be a personal/fitness trainer. This may be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in a while. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the nutritional plan WHATSOEVER. Way to be bring asinine to the party.
One can EASILY get correct nutritional values daily eating food that is sold on the market today. Eating whole foods will achieve most of it.
While I disagree with the OP title, since I know that health care has a lot to do with longevity, one doesn't need to eat paleo to ensure they are nutritionally fortifying themselves correctly.
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Who's saying it's the ultimate way to eat. It's a way of eating, it's not for everybody but it works. We all have a bias on the diets we do.
If you don't want to eat primal or paleo don't. No one is forcing you.
Unlike the PBS we accept other trails of thought.
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Do you realize that if you chop up a vegetable, you have just "processed" it?
Just sayin.0 -
i love cheese.0
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All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
It's calorie restrictive, not food restrictive >>
Your diet consists of WHAT you it, not how many calories.
The term restrictive diet - which gets banded around when the primals come on the forum means exactly what is says
Restrictive diet and I'm sorry but means calorie restricted as well as food choice.
They both have their boundaries.0 -
I told you that it was a 700+ daily deficit as an average -- that's data. Showing you further underlying data supporting that is not necessary unless you don't believe it.
Let me make it clear: I do not believe that you were eating an average 700+ calorie daily deficit and not losing weight.
That's at least honest. Believe it or not. I lived it, so I know it to be true. Talk to others that have hypothyroid or insulin resistance issues and you'll find it to be pretty darn common. In fact, you'll far more extreme examples than just 700+ average daily calorie deficit.
I believe in his original statement he said to provide him with said data in 2 people that did not have any diagnosed medical conditions. I am no doctor, however Hypothyroid or insulin resistance sound like medical conditions to me. No?
And I believe if you read some of my responses, I said I didn't now about that. But for years, I could have been one of those people because for YEARS, I was undiagnosed, which is what I suspect is the case for a lot of people who have difficulty managing their weight and yet their calories in and out seem to be solid.
Well then why would you even respond to it? He asked to Prove that eating pizza and fast food does not result in the same amount of weight loss as someone who eats the "paleo or Primal" way at the same calorie allotance (THAT HAS NO MEDICAL CONDITIONS) What he asked for was pretty specific, you responding helps nothing, nor does it prove anything except that you like to argue. No?
No, the point I'm trying to make is that calories in and calories out does not work for a lot of people. There are likely a myriad of reasons why -- and likely most of them are unknown unless you have extreme symptoms. So, people with middle of the road symptoms especially probably just assume this is how their life is going to be -- always 30-50 lbs (or more) overweight, fatigued, digestive tract discomfort, joint pain, etc. (fill in whatever symptom you want). And that what may be triggering such reactions for many of these people is underlying diet - -or the underlying diet exacerbates it.
So, if they change the diet/nutrition they get, they may see marvelous results --- even more so than with the medications they may have been taking to treat some of the symptoms (like high cholesterol, blood pressure, anti-inflammatory drugs, etc.). And when they switch to Paleo/Primal, it clears up a lot of those issues for them. Do they have an underlying condition? Maybe. But only maybe when they're eating a lot of grains, bad fats, HFCS, etc. Perhaps when they don't eat those, the condition is within normal parameters or undetectable. This is what I suspect has happened to many people who have seen success, including myself to some degree, on primal. To me, that shows that we likely didn't evolve to tolerate such aspects of the modern diet for a reason.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
By the way it was tongue in cheek - all diets are restrictive. Calorie counting definitely is.
All the verbal gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that my "diet" has zero disallowed foods and yours does not.
It has 100% percent restriction on how much you can eat.
RESTRICTIVE DIET!!!!!!!!
It's calorie restrictive, not food restrictive >>
Your diet consists of WHAT you it, not how many calories.
The term restrictive diet - which gets banded around when the primals come on the forum means exactly what is says
Restrictive diet and I'm sorry but means calorie restricted as well as food choice.
They both have their boundaries.
Mmmm cheetos.0 -
Do you realize that if you chop up a vegetable, you have just "processed" it?
Just sayin.
Lol✋????????0
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