large or small breakfast to lose weight?
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Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
In for obese people body shaming bodybuilders.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories. There is a lot of truth to that saying about breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Breakfast or lack of sets you up for the rest of the day. Breakfast doesn't have to be big. A granola bar with light yogurt works. A mini-bagel with yogurt or fruit and granola or bar also works. Grab a protein bar with fruit. This will curve your hunger throughout the day. You could buy these items beforehand and grab and go in the morning.
Meal timing, size and frequency has little to no effect on weight loss (read: so minute it doesn't matter). Thermic Effect of Food (TEF) is the smallest determining variable when it comes to metabolism.Since you speak of your experience, how do you explain weight loss from intermittent fasting?
Bottom line, burn more calories then you consume. How and when you do it is pretty much irrelevant in weight loss. Law of biological thermodymics.
I don't agree with your assessment because size and timing of meals have much to do with healthy weight loss?
My "experience" led me to believe there are various weight loss methods, not all are healthy. One more time! The point isn't whether or not weight loss is achieve, rather if healthy weight loss is achieved through the method a person chose (i.e. intermittent fasting).
So your "experience" gives you the foundational and scientific knowledge required to determine whether "healthy" weight loss can be achieved? So not eating breakfast, or not eating every 4 hours is unhealthy? How so? And what research have you done or read to come to this conclusion? Please post a link... hopefully not to Dr. Oz0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
The only thing nasty around here is your attitude.0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
The moot point: You brought it up, dear. Not me. I feel like there's no longer an intelligent discussion to be had at this point. I leave you with this
and my disgusting avi.
No, I did not bring the bodybuilders up first. You were the first to mentioned it and anyone who cares to see it could very way go back through the conversation and see it. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. My point was if you want to skip or prolong meals then have at it. My choice will always be to follow the advice of medical and health professional.0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.0 -
Duly noted.If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
By the way, the body shaming of bodybuilders is a nice touch too.
Some bodybuilders shame themselves!0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.0 -
Duly noted.If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
By the way, the body shaming of bodybuilders is a nice touch too.
Some bodybuilders shame themselves!
Evidently, so do some posters on these forums.
Rigger0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
The moot point: You brought it up, dear. Not me. I feel like there's no longer an intelligent discussion to be had at this point. I leave you with this
and my disgusting avi.
No, I did not bring the bodybuilders up first. You were the first to mentioned it and anyone who cares to see it could very way go back through the conversation and see it. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. My point was if you want to skip or prolong meals then have at it. My choice will always be to follow the advice of medical and health professional.
Hold up. Let me type this slowly.
You said you think bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles. THIS is the moot point. Lots of people, not just bodybuilders can practice unhealthy lifestyles. Therefore, throwing around that boooodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles is moot. It's a better statement to say there are many different types of people who practice unhealthy lifestyles. Not all bodybuilders OR people practice unhealthy lifestyles. ... I can repeat unhealthy lifestyles one more time to make it clearer0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
The only thing nasty around here is your attitude.
There isn't anything nasty about my attitude. Furthermore, if you don't like my posts then by all means don't read them.0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
The moot point: You brought it up, dear. Not me. I feel like there's no longer an intelligent discussion to be had at this point. I leave you with this
and my disgusting avi.
No, I did not bring the bodybuilders up first. You were the first to mentioned it and anyone who cares to see it could very way go back through the conversation and see it. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. My point was if you want to skip or prolong meals then have at it. My choice will always be to follow the advice of medical and health professional.
Hold up. Let me type this slowly.
You said you think bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles. THIS is the moot point. Lots of people, not just bodybuilders can practice unhealthy lifestyles. Therefore, throwing around that boooodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles is moot. It's a better statement to say there are many different types of people who practice unhealthy lifestyles. Not all bodybuilders OR puerile practice unhealthy lifestyles. ... I can repeat unhealthy lifestyles one more time to make it clearer
Your don't have to type slowly but maybe you should read slowly if that helps you. You were the first one to bring up the bodybuilders. You mentioned bodybuilders' muscle building practices. My respond was I don't care to follow their practices. What part of this is not clear to you?0 -
Duly noted.If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
By the way, the body shaming of bodybuilders is a nice touch too.
Some bodybuilders shame themselves!
Evidently, so do some posters on these forums.
Rigger
Evidently, so do those posters who chose to read and complain instead of just skipping over the posts.0 -
“It's really about eating less than you burn or use. When and how you eat is negligible except to help keep you on track. Eat below your maintenance calories and you will lose weight regardless of how and when you time your meals.”
^^^This^^^
“OP, eat the kind of breakfast you want (or none), if it fits into your daily allotment and it makes you feel good. We need food to live, but we are allowed to enjoy eating it too.”
^^^This^^^
“Bottom line, burn more calories then you consume. How and when you do it is pretty much irrelevant in weight loss. Law of biological thermodynamics.”
^^^This^^^
The thread meltdown is starting. It is on the verge of becoming 10 pages of gif’s and "seems legit" comments. OP just heed the good advice above and do what works for you!0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.
I gotta say, if I had the choice of looking like a bodybuilder or someone 50+ pounds overweight.... I know which I'd choose.
And people do have a "right" to be insulting, crass, and totally classless, yes. That is true.0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.
You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.0 -
Duly noted.If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
By the way, the body shaming of bodybuilders is a nice touch too.
Some bodybuilders shame themselves!
Evidently, so do some posters on these forums.
Rigger
Evidently, so do those posters who chose to read and complain instead of just skipping over the posts.
I don't skip over posts in which ignorance (needing to be corrected) is being spewed. Nor am I complaining, quite the contrary, I'm highly entertained by your stunning lack of class.
Rigger
Rigger0 -
Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
Are you for real? You really need to address your nasty unhealthy attitude. Body shaming not cool, ever!0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories. There is a lot of truth to that saying about breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Breakfast or lack of sets you up for the rest of the day. Breakfast doesn't have to be big. A granola bar with light yogurt works. A mini-bagel with yogurt or fruit and granola or bar also works. Grab a protein bar with fruit. This will curve your hunger throughout the day. You could buy these items beforehand and grab and go in the morning.
I very much doubt most people get up twice in the night to eat something so they don't go more than 4 hours without food, thereby (according to you, RUINING their metabolism). Please, just don't.
OP, eat the kind of breakfast you want (or none), if it fits into your daily allotment and it makes you feel good. We need food to live, but we are allowed to enjoy eating it too.
Eat a big snack right before bed. This will boost your metabolism while you are sleeping, and you don't wake up in starvation mode. This obviously works, because I always wake up almost 2 pounds lighter than when I went to bed ..0 -
As many have already posted ... when you eat and how much per meal doesn't really matter just make sure you are getting enough ... some people are grazers, some people eat 2 or 3 times a day ... find what works best for you :drinker:0
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It doesn't matter. Unless having a bigger breakfast helps you to not eat too much later in the day.0
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If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Your body can't tell time, and the changes in metabolism are so minute, and so slow that you'll never notice them, especially not within a four hour window. Meal timing is meaningless to weight loss, and to the previous poster who mentioned a high protein breakfast to speed metabolism, false, the same principle applies.
OP eat a big, or small, or no breakfast if that's what suits your lifestyle, calorie deficit is what matters.
Rigger
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?0 -
First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
To the OP, you're just going to have to figure out what works best for you. I wake up super early and have some coffee with almond cocnut milk, but I don't have breakfast until I get to work at 8. And even then, it's only a whey protein drink unless I'm off and going on a long ride. I find that the more I eat sooner, the hungrier I tend to be afterwards. I do eat a pretty decent size lunch and a snack in the morning and afternoon, to help keep me from getting too hungry and making bad decsions. I find that what I eat makes a huge difference with that too. But some people do better with a big breakfast no matter what they're doing that day. Do some experimenting and planning ahead, and try to have fun with it. This is a journey you want to be on for a very long time
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If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
No. Just no. Timing has no significance on weight loss...especially for those who have a lot to lose. Calorie deficit, the end.
But for some people the timing does matter along with the calorie deficit.0 -
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
You are in fact wrong. And lol you questioning other people's credentials when you have none.
You are simply wrong. You are in error. On top of that, your attitude is in the gutter and your body shaming is despicable. Not only do you have no scientific evidence or expertise to fall back on, you also apparently have no record of any kind of success, let alone lasting success.
Take a look at yourself, your scientific knowledge, and (most of all) your actual current state of affairs and success before you ridicule others.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
No. Just no. Timing has no significance on weight loss...especially for those who have a lot to lose. Calorie deficit, the end.
But for some people the timing does matter along with the calorie deficit.
You can keep saying it over and over, but it won't become true just because you want it to.
If you think you can prove your assertion, do so. Otherwise, let it go.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Your body can't tell time, and the changes in metabolism are so minute, and so slow that you'll never notice them, especially not within a four hour window. Meal timing is meaningless to weight loss, and to the previous poster who mentioned a high protein breakfast to speed metabolism, false, the same principle applies.
OP eat a big, or small, or no breakfast if that's what suits your lifestyle, calorie deficit is what matters.
Rigger
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
Who is this "we" you speak of? Last time I checked you're in this one alone with your nonsense opinions on metabolism. You do know that medical opinion changes over time correct? At one point, the standard cure for most diseases was blood-letting. Do you think it's possible that you and your "medical professionals" none of which you have actually cited, are propagating outdated science? Or is that just way outside your narrow scope of understanding?
Rigger0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories. There is a lot of truth to that saying about breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Breakfast or lack of sets you up for the rest of the day. Breakfast doesn't have to be big. A granola bar with light yogurt works. A mini-bagel with yogurt or fruit and granola or bar also works. Grab a protein bar with fruit. This will curve your hunger throughout the day. You could buy these items beforehand and grab and go in the morning.
I very much doubt most people get up twice in the night to eat something so they don't go more than 4 hours without food, thereby (according to you, RUINING their metabolism). Please, just don't.
OP, eat the kind of breakfast you want (or none), if it fits into your daily allotment and it makes you feel good. We need food to live, but we are allowed to enjoy eating it too.
Since the body needs sleep then that would be the exception.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
No. Just no. Timing has no significance on weight loss...especially for those who have a lot to lose. Calorie deficit, the end.
But for some people the timing does matter along with the calorie deficit.
You can keep saying it over and over, but it won't become true just because you want it to.
If you think you can prove your assertion, do so. Otherwise, let it go.
It won't make it false because you don't agree.
More importantly, I will let it go when I see fit. You don't own this board.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Your body can't tell time, and the changes in metabolism are so minute, and so slow that you'll never notice them, especially not within a four hour window. Meal timing is meaningless to weight loss, and to the previous poster who mentioned a high protein breakfast to speed metabolism, false, the same principle applies.
OP eat a big, or small, or no breakfast if that's what suits your lifestyle, calorie deficit is what matters.
Rigger
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
Eating will not increase your metabolism. However, NOT eating for a couple of days boosts your metabolism pretty effectively.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
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If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories. There is a lot of truth to that saying about breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Breakfast or lack of sets you up for the rest of the day. Breakfast doesn't have to be big. A granola bar with light yogurt works. A mini-bagel with yogurt or fruit and granola or bar also works. Grab a protein bar with fruit. This will curve your hunger throughout the day. You could buy these items beforehand and grab and go in the morning.
Meal timing, size and frequency has little to no effect on weight loss (read: so minute it doesn't matter). Thermic Effect of Food (TEF) is the smallest determining variable when it comes to metabolism.Since you speak of your experience, how do you explain weight loss from intermittent fasting?
Bottom line, burn more calories then you consume. How and when you do it is pretty much irrelevant in weight loss. Law of biological thermodymics.
I don't agree with your assessment because size and timing of meals have much to do with healthy weight loss?
My "experience" led me to believe there are various weight loss methods, not all are healthy. One more time! The point isn't whether or not weight loss is achieve, rather if healthy weight loss is achieved through the method a person chose (i.e. intermittent fasting).
So your "experience" gives you the foundational and scientific knowledge required to determine whether "healthy" weight loss can be achieved? So not eating breakfast, or not eating every 4 hours is unhealthy? How so? And what research have you done or read to come to this conclusion? Please post a link... hopefully not to Dr. Oz
My foundation and knowledge comes from following the advice of experts in the field just like your come from ETF. Do your own research by checking wtih your doctors and other "reputable" health experts in the field.0
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