How do you feel about fat pride?
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Was staying out of it until the statement about soldiers offing themselves being weak.
Just like you were/are in the military and take offense to certain statements, I work in suicide prevention, specifically with soldiers, and I take offense to your ignorant statement.
I personally think that suicide and suicide prevention are also very worthy topics, they happen to be close to my heart, but what the heck do they have to do with fat acceptance? I think we are in full thread derail mode at this point.
The topic got derailed a long time ago when wars were brought up :laugh:
War is the continuation of fat acceptance by other means
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1st off brah ... I'm a diehard libertarian - I'm not promoting legislating anything lolzzz
2nd.. Obesity is repulsive bro?! smells bad, its unhealthy, it looks disgusting... I'm blunt about hating it because I hate it.. its absolutely nasty.. the individual that is in a cycle of pain and hurt living like that? - I feel empathy for them!
"If someone else wants to embrace his/her weight and say "I don't want to change," so what?! It's none of my business -- just like it's not my business to try to deflate the ego of some guy spending his time on a forum talking about his clothes, his 28" waist, his self-flirtation in the mirror, and his belief that his physique rivals Michelangelo's David. His self-opinion may not match my opinion of him, but if he wants to love himself a lot as he is, it's not my job to point out what I perceive as personal deficiencies in order to try to make his self-opinion match mine. I say, let him love himself. His self-esteem is not a threat to me. "
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you don't think I could be the next rival to Michelangelo's David?
- LOLZ I'm just flattered you listened to me ramble on about my love for myself.
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Read on I'm sure your in for more treats!
IDK..about being grounded..
now if you would have said spanked...0 -
I feel almost like you should be grounded for life or something...I'm speechless. :noway:
Don't mind him - he's still trying to learn how to be a decent human being.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
@TheVirgoddess: i'm trying!:flowerforyou:0 -
IDK..about being grounded..
now if you would have said spanked...0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
@TheVirgoddess: i'm trying!:flowerforyou:0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
I didn't say that reflected my opinion - I was saying that's what was going on in this thread.
If you read any of my posts in this forum, you'll see I'm firmly in the "be exactly who you are and rock the crap out of it" camp.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
I didn't say that reflected my opinion - I was saying that's what was going on in this thread.
If you read any of my posts in this forum, you'll see I'm firmly in the "be exactly who you are and rock the crap out of it" camp.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...
I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.
and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...
society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...
I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.
and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...
society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
As for collective grouping, think of advertisement companies as the society/ culture everyone talks about. In all honest, it is the media that dictates what we believe is beautiful, and worthy of admiration. We as a society have abandoned our own common sense. As the saying goes, "Common sense isnt too common".0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.0 -
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.
You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.
This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.
You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.
Again, I think that's a false dichotomy. I'm certainly not vilifying anyone, quite the opposite, but I don't think that obesity promotion is something I can support.0 -
I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:
"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"
WHY is this so radical?
That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:
Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".
what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .
society : be yourself
society: no not like that
If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...
I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.
and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...
society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
As for collective grouping, think of advertisement companies as the society/ culture everyone talks about. In all honest, it is the media that dictates what we believe is beautiful, and worthy of admiration. We as a society have abandoned our own common sense. As the saying goes, "Common sense isnt too common".
Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in here ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.
the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!0 -
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.
You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.
This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.
You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.
Its very true that some medical situations can cause obesity. Anywhere from lack of hormones due to hysterectomy to thyroid issues, to epileptic medications. The list goes on and on. None of them are the results of being lazy, over indulgence, emotional eating (which I have never understood), or lack of self control. There are health problems due to obesity and then there are those that cause the obesity.0 -
Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.0
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Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.
You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.
This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.
You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.
You know how I became a drug addict? I was treating a symptom of my body as well - sleep deprivation!
Plagued with a case of insomnia that was unworldly, forced to drink and use daily just to pass out at night.. I actually started a thread on sleeping just today.0 -
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.
You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.
This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.
You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.
Its very true that some medical situations can cause obesity. Anywhere from lack of hormones due to hysterectomy to thyroid issues, to epileptic medications. The list goes on and on. None of them are the results of being lazy, over indulgence, emotional eating (which I have never understood), or lack of self control. There are health problems due to obesity and then there are those that cause the obesity.
^however this is true.
*as I was*
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Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.
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Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in hear ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.
the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!0 -
I believe in fat tolerance but not fat pride. The fat acceptance people I encounter, usually on the Internet or on TV, believe that they're healthy and will remain so even though that is patently not true. They think the solution is for government and private establishments to install bigger subway, train, and airline seats instead of dealing with themselves. I particularly worry about the habits that they are passing on to their children.
We live in a culture in which it's easy to become overweight. People should get help from public and private programs. But it starts with individual responsibility.0 -
Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control
Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.
You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.
This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.
You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.
You know how I became a drug addict? I was treating a symptom of my body as well - sleep deprivation!
Plagued with a case of insomnia that was unworldly, forced to drink and use daily just to pass out at night.. I actually started a thread on sleeping just today.
Mine is a direct result from a brain condition I have called Chiari Malformation (my skull is malformed, so it's squishing my brain stem, which screws up stuff for me like swallowing (lol), headaches, falling, speech issues, etc). We didn't have medical insurance, so I couldn't get anything to waylay the pain or side effects. It sucks that lack of insurance led to me being overweight, but there ya go. S*it happens. Now I just have to work hard to get even hotter than I already am (if that's even possible )0 -
Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.0
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I believe in fat tolerance but not fat pride.
This.
If you're happy with being fat, good for you. If you're actively trying to promote obesity as a desirable lifestyle then it's ridiculous.
Obviously each to their own.0 -
Being fat isn't always the same as being unhealthy. Being thin isn't always healthy.
Fat pride seems to be about tying self esteem to something BESIDES your weight just as Black Pride isn't about black supremacy and Gay Pride isn't about an anti-straight agenda.
I think its healthy and, if anything, can be far more motivating when it comes to healthy behavior than fat shaming.
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Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in hear ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.
the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!
What constitutes a medically healthy weight is a not a matter of mere opinion. It is based on observing people who are overweight and noting what the excess weight does to their bodies: Their joints, hormonal systems, vascular system, etc.0
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