How do you feel about fat pride?

Well I think higher quality food generally does help a person be healthier and some of the attributes in the food appear to assist with weight loss. I don't have time for a thorough search but:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/best-diet-quality-counts/

To me, it's more about the owner not sourcing frankenfood.

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Personally I just feel that it's another form of Identity politics, political arguments that focus upon the self-interest and perspectives of self-identified social interest groups and ways in which people's politics may be shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on race, class, religion, gender, ethnicity, ideology, nation, sexual orientation, culture, information preference, history, musical or literary preference, medical conditions, professions or hobbies. Not all members of any given group are necessarily involved in identity politics.

Minority influence is a central component of identity politics. Minority influence is a form of social influence which takes place when a majority is being influenced to accept the beliefs or behavior of a minority. Unlike other forms of influence this usually involves a personal shift in private opinion.

If you're going to lift stuff from Wikipedia, at least cite your source. This post should have been preceded with "Personally I copied and pasted this statement and passed it off as my own thoughts..." rather than "Personally I just feel that...".

Just sayin'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics

Well I think higher quality food generally does help a person be healthier and some of the attributes in the food appear to assist with weight loss. I don't have time for a thorough search but:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/best-diet-quality-counts/

To me, it's more about the owner not sourcing frankenfood.

I would define "quality" in terms of nutrition, not its source or whether it is organic. Using terms like "Frankenfood," while entertaining and often effective in terms of rhetorical impact, don't help form a cogent and logically sound position.

I shop at standard grocery stores, often purchase jarred, frozen, and canned foods, and refuse to pay more for organic items because the foods that I do purchase, when eaten in the proper combination, produce the taste and results that I want while minimizing cost. You are welcome to eat what you wish, but attempting to appear superior because you buy from coops seems somewhat overreaching.

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Well I think higher quality food generally does help a person be healthier and some of the attributes in the food appear to assist with weight loss. I don't have time for a thorough search but:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/best-diet-quality-counts/

To me, it's more about the owner not sourcing frankenfood.

I would define "quality" in terms of nutrition, not its source or whether it is organic. Using terms like "Frankenfood," while entertaining and often effective in terms of rhetorical impact, don't help form a cogent and logically sound position.

I shop at standard grocery stores, often purchase jarred, frozen, and canned foods, and refuse to pay more for organic items because the foods that I do purchase, when eaten in the proper combination, produce the taste and results that I want while minimizing cost. You are welcome to eat what you wish, but attempting to appear superior because you buy from coops seems somewhat overreaching.

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I tend to take a different view on quality (not saying yours is right or wrong). I'd consider a nice dry aged steak to be a quality product, just like I'd consider a nice bottle of aged balsamic vinegar to be a quality product. In my mind, "quality" is completely separate from nutritional content. Steak is obviously very dense in calories and too much aged balsamic and vanilla ice cream can wreak havoc on your diet - but I'd still view these as high quality products. When it comes to vegetables, freshness plays a big role. The same goes for meat as well - if you've ever had very fresh chicken, for instance, the texture and taste are very different than the usual stuff we find at the store that was killed days ago. But at the end of the day, none of this has to do with the nutritional content of the foods or how it affects your health. Likewise, you can buy your food at the nicest grocery store in town, but that really doesn't mean you're doing anything to improve your health.

Well I think higher quality food generally does help a person be healthier and some of the attributes in the food appear to assist with weight loss. I don't have time for a thorough search but:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/best-diet-quality-counts/

To me, it's more about the owner not sourcing frankenfood.

I would define "quality" in terms of nutrition, not its source or whether it is organic. Using terms like "Frankenfood," while entertaining and often effective in terms of rhetorical impact, don't help form a cogent and logically sound position.

I shop at standard grocery stores, often purchase jarred, frozen, and canned foods, and refuse to pay more for organic items because the foods that I do purchase, when eaten in the proper combination, produce the taste and results that I want while minimizing cost. You are welcome to eat what you wish, but attempting to appear superior because you buy from coops seems somewhat overreaching.

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I tend to take a different view on quality (not saying yours is right or wrong). I'd consider a nice dry aged steak to be a quality product, just like I'd consider a nice bottle of aged balsamic vinegar to be a quality product. In my mind, "quality" is completely separate from nutritional content. Steak is obviously very dense in calories and too much aged balsamic and vanilla ice cream can wreak havoc on your diet - but I'd still view these as high quality products. When it comes to vegetables, freshness plays a big role. The same goes for meat as well - if you've ever had very fresh chicken, for instance, the texture and taste are very different than the usual stuff we find at the store that was killed days ago. But at the end of the day, none of this has to do with the nutritional content of the foods or how it affects your health. Likewise, you can buy your food at the nicest grocery store in town, but that really doesn't mean you're doing anything to improve your health.

^my thing is how can there be a whole market for this *organic* food and it not make a major difference?

That is why I shell out money at the grocer like I'm making it rain on a working girl.

I think that's a fair view, and I'd certainly not quibble over the desirability of a dry aged steak, an aged balsamic, or a great bottle of wine, but I think we delude ourselves when we use that concept of "quality" and equate it with better nutrition. I became overweight to begin with on some fantastic steaks and Cabernet.

I hear you and agree wholeheartedly. I put on quite a few pounds over the past few years drinking some of the highest quality IPAs around. :laugh: While I'm all for quality eating, healthy eating and more nutritious eating is a completely separate issue.

I'm all for people loving themselves where they are at and being proud of whatever it is that makes them who they are. But we should not be defining ourselves by our looks! So to be proud and accepting of being unhealthy just doesn't fly with me. I agree with not bullying or shaming people who are over or under weight. But to be joyful and supportive of choosing to be overweight?... no way.

And to connect Fat Pride with Gay Pride to me is ridiculous. People have the choice to be fat and if there is a medical issue they can seek medical advise.

Its not apples to apples - they are born gay or straight - unless its a medical condition your not born fat, and you can't be truly happy when your fat - happiness isn't a buzzword its a lifestyle.

you are a weird bird, not knowing what a co-op is (I guess cause you are young and presumably live in a smallish place and have not traveled much?) But to think you can't be fat and happy? Of course you can, presuming you aren't horrifically shallow or having issues with mortality. What an odd concept, and how would you even know since you aren't fat anyway...

Its not apples to apples - they are born gay or straight - unless its a medical condition your not born fat, and you can't be truly happy when your fat - happiness isn't a buzzword its a lifestyle.

you are a weird bird, not knowing what a co-op is (I guess cause you are young and presumably live in a smallish place and have not traveled much?) But to think you can't be fat and happy? Of course you can, presuming you aren't horrifically shallow or having issues with mortality. What an odd concept, and how would you even know since you aren't fat anyway...

yeah the tumbleweed problem is outta control here in far off Philadelphia... :huh:

And one of the ways I know you can't be happy being fat is the same way I acquire knowledge so rapidly - I'm willing to learn and ask questions when I don't know something..

And yeah I'm sticking to that, there will be exceptions for such a large generalization but its marginal - if your fat your not happy-its the reason why you set goals and are trying to change it in the first place. And if you aren't trying to actively change it then your just fat and lethargic and once again - not happy.

I'm trying to be nicer ya butt.

@salembambi - yeah I'm well aware there are more than two sexualities.. regardless its not apples to apples.. apples to oranges at its closest.

And your right I don't know what happiness means for all human beings but for people that are fat - they are not happy I'd say in virtually every case.

And one of the ways I know you can't be happy being fat is the same way I acquire knowledge so rapidly - I'm willing to learn and ask questions when I don't know something..

And yeah I'm sticking to that, there will be exceptions for such a large generalization but its marginal - if your fat your not happy-its the reason why you set goals and are trying to change it in the first place. And if you aren't trying to actively change it then your just fat and lethargic and once again - not happy.

The state of being happy is highly subjective and depends on way more factors than your body fat percentage. You may not be happy with your body as an overweight individual (or you might - I know plenty of powerlifters who are 300+ pounds, "fat", swole and happy with their gains) - but that doesn't mean someone else can't be generally happy simply because they're overweight. Put another way, you might not personally be happy if you were overweight, but you can't just say as a general rule that someone else cannot be happy if they're overweight. You're making a lot of unfounded assumptions, but happiness goes beyond your BMI and body fat percentage. Some people are happy doing lots of cardio and looking all twiggy, while others are happy beefing up and carrying around quite a bit of fat in addition to a lot of muscle, while others can be happy playing video games all the time , and others still are in phenomenal physical shape and yet they're miserable. If only happiness were as easy as cutting weight, you'd find a lot more content people in the world. The problem is it's not as simple as you're suggesting.

Its not apples to apples - they are born gay or straight - unless its a medical condition your not born fat, and you can't be truly happy when your fat - happiness isn't a buzzword its a lifestyle.

you are a weird bird, not knowing what a co-op is (I guess cause you are young and presumably live in a smallish place and have not traveled much?) But to think you can't be fat and happy? Of course you can, presuming you aren't horrifically shallow or having issues with mortality. What an odd concept, and how would you even know since you aren't fat anyway...

yeah the tumbleweed problem is outta control here in far off Philadelphia... :huh:

And one of the ways I know you can't be happy being fat is the same way I acquire knowledge so rapidly - I'm willing to learn and ask questions when I don't know something..

And yeah I'm sticking to that, there will be exceptions for such a large generalization but its marginal - if your fat your not happy-its the reason why you set goals and are trying to change it in the first place. And if you aren't trying to actively change it then your just fat and lethargic and once again - not happy.

I'm trying to be nicer ya butt.

@salembambi - yeah I'm well aware there are more than two sexualities.. regardless its not apples to apples.. apples to oranges at its closest.

And your right I don't know what happiness means for all human beings but for people that are fat - they are not happy I'd say in virtually every case.

Oh yes! I remember now, but you don't live in philly but somewhere near there.. hailing from NE PA myself I can see how you growing up there explains part of why I find you odd.

I do rather think I am pretty happy all things considered. I figure I should lose some weight because my general laziness isn't gonna support accommodating the diabetes. I have a pretty awesome life though, nothing to complain about, my weight included for the most part (again - lazy, heath, don't want the 'betes)

Its not apples to apples - they are born gay or straight - unless its a medical condition your not born fat, and you can't be truly happy when your fat - happiness isn't a buzzword its a lifestyle.

you are a weird bird, not knowing what a co-op is (I guess cause you are young and presumably live in a smallish place and have not traveled much?) But to think you can't be fat and happy? Of course you can, presuming you aren't horrifically shallow or having issues with mortality. What an odd concept, and how would you even know since you aren't fat anyway...

yeah the tumbleweed problem is outta control here in far off Philadelphia... :huh:

And one of the ways I know you can't be happy being fat is the same way I acquire knowledge so rapidly - I'm willing to learn and ask questions when I don't know something..

And yeah I'm sticking to that, there will be exceptions for such a large generalization but its marginal - if your fat your not happy-its the reason why you set goals and are trying to change it in the first place. And if you aren't trying to actively change it then your just fat and lethargic and once again - not happy.

I'm trying to be nicer ya butt.

@salembambi - yeah I'm well aware there are more than two sexualities.. regardless its not apples to apples.. apples to oranges at its closest.

And your right I don't know what happiness means for all human beings but for people that are fat - they are not happy I'd say in virtually every case.

Oh yes! I remember now, but you don't live in philly but somewhere near there.. hailing from NE PA myself I can see how you growing up there explains part of why I find you odd.

I do rather think I am pretty happy all things considered. I figure I should lose some weight because my general laziness isn't gonna support accommodating the diabetes. I have a pretty awesome life though, nothing to complain about, my weight included for the most part (again - lazy, heath, don't want the 'betes)

actually just got promoted and am having to move to Philly philly.

:drinker:

and yeahseriously good luk - u def don't want the 'betes

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whoo hoo congrats on the promotion! I liked the little bit of philly I saw recently. WORST. AIRPORT. EVER it was seriously depressing (and I've seen a lot of airports) but the trains/SEPTA were kinda nice, or at least convenient.
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WORST. AIRPORT. EVER

+1 for you.

it was seriously depressing
+1 again for you

trains/SEPTA were kinda nice, or at least convenient

I agree.. a little intimidating at first, then its easy sailing.

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Really like anything else so cares fat pride,straight pride,gay pride...if they are happy then it's non of our business to judge there way of life.


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Its not apples to apples - they are born gay or straight - unless its a medical condition your not born fat, and you can't be truly happy when your fat - happiness isn't a buzzword its a lifestyle.


more than two sexualities exist


& you cannot claim to know what happiness means for all human beings

You can't claim to know what happiness means for all humans either. But this is what I know... there are a lot of things that can make someone happy ( wealth, kids, a good job, appearances etc.). Our appearances are a huge source of self confidence...for example, how do you feel when you walk outside without make up ? Why do you put so much effort in making yourself look good before you go somewhere special? How would you feel if people stare at you in disgust? How would you feel if people treated you differently (poorly)? How would you feel if people called you ugly? You can say you don't care what people think, but no matter what, being treated poorly sucks for EVERYONE.

We don't live in a perfect world. I do believe that fat people are treated negatively, isn't that why this "fat pride" even exists?? Because they are trying to show the world that they don't want to feel inferior?? ....If they want a change in how the world is, that means they are not happy about something, and that something is how they are treated based on their appearance.

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Happiness is a state of mind. If one seeks happiness from looking good or acquiring possessions then it will be forever fleeting. At least that seems to be what Buddha taught. I'm not so sure. I think it's a balance of having your material/physical needs met, your social needs met, helping others, and not being a greedy *kitten* about it. That's me though.