Apple Cider Vinegar anyone?

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  • rollng_thundr
    rollng_thundr Posts: 634 Member
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    *COPY & PASTE*

    Anthony Komaroff, MD, Internal Medicine,

    If you believe the stories written about apple cider vinegar, it is a miracle cure for just about anything that ails you, from curbing the appetite to detoxifying the body, boosting the immune system, treating arthritis, and improving circulation. That's a tall order for a brew made from fermented apples. But there's no evidence to back up most of these claims. So far, the only decent studies in humans suggest that daily doses of apple cider vinegar may help people with type 2 diabetes control their blood sugar.

    Acetic acid is the substance that gives vinegar its distinctive smell and sour taste. A synthetic cousin of acetic acid, called ethylenediamine-tetraacetic acid (EDTA), attracts some dissolved metals. It is used in cases of lead, mercury, or iron poisoning to pull these metals out of the bloodstream. A dubious practice called chelation therapy involves repeated administration of EDTA. Chelation therapy is hyped as a way to clean out the arteries by dissolving cholesterol-filled plaque. This is based on wishful thinking, not science.

    Apple cider vinegar is a terrific ingredient in foods, sauces, and dressings. It isn't medicine. Taking too much can lower blood potassium levels and may not be good for your bones. If you choose to take a tablespoon or so a day, rinse out your mouth afterward—straight apple cider vinegar can erode the enamel on your teeth.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
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    This thread just made my night. She asked one simple question and everyone went off into some scientific debate. I dilute my 1 tbs of apple cider vinegar with 16 oz of water :) I makes me feel less bloated and happier so I take it every once in awhile simple as that :)

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  • NJGamerChick
    NJGamerChick Posts: 467 Member
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    1. As someone who has suffered from GERD, it is not a lack of acid or weak acid in the body. The gastroesophageal seal does not properly work so acid escapes into the esophagus. Most people are lucky to only have heartburn. I have woken up choking on my own stomach acid. The treatment is a proton pump inhibitor to lessen the amount of stomach acid produced. Drinking any acid will just add to the stomach acid already present, thereby making the situation worse and adding to the choking wake up call. From personal experience, it is one of the worst experiences in my life, competing with a slip I'm still recovering from 6 years later.

    2. Yogurt would work better to calm down acid reflux.

    3. This thread entertains me.

    4. I like vinegar on my food, especially on tomatoes, on cooked dark leafy greens, and in some soups instead of salt. It's also tasty sprinkled on steak and chicken, but not so much on fish. Lemon tastes better there. :D
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
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    *COPY & PASTE*

    Anthony Komaroff, MD, Internal Medicine,

    If you believe the stories written about apple cider vinegar, it is a miracle cure for just about anything that ails you, from curbing the appetite to detoxifying the body, boosting the immune system, treating arthritis, and improving circulation. That's a tall order for a brew made from fermented apples. But there's no evidence to back up most of these claims. So far, the only decent studies in humans suggest that daily doses of apple cider vinegar may help people with type 2 diabetes control their blood sugar.

    Acetic acid is the substance that gives vinegar its distinctive smell and sour taste. A synthetic cousin of acetic acid, called ethylenediamine-tetraacetic acid (EDTA), attracts some dissolved metals. It is used in cases of lead, mercury, or iron poisoning to pull these metals out of the bloodstream. A dubious practice called chelation therapy involves repeated administration of EDTA. Chelation therapy is hyped as a way to clean out the arteries by dissolving cholesterol-filled plaque. This is based on wishful thinking, not science.

    Apple cider vinegar is a terrific ingredient in foods, sauces, and dressings. It isn't medicine. Taking too much can lower blood potassium levels and may not be good for your bones. If you choose to take a tablespoon or so a day, rinse out your mouth afterward—straight apple cider vinegar can erode the enamel on your teeth.

    Wooo really? I would think EDTA would be pretty dangerous. Yeah its a metal chelator, and a damn good one...it will strip metals out of most anything including iron out of hemoglobin, magnesium out of enzymes that require it to function. I could see its use in accute metal poisoning where the person is going to die without treatment but I wouldn't think it would be used casually. I certainly wouldn't ingest EDTA.

    In the lab we use EDTA to halt the activity of metal dependant enzymes in their tracks to stop a reaction to see what the products are at that timepoint. A lot of enzymes are metal dependant and a lot of them are essential to you remaining alive.
  • LKArgh
    LKArgh Posts: 5,179 Member
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    All you vinegar haters calm down. Vinegar (as a beverage, not in a sauce, dressing etc) has an awful taste and it is common knowledge that when something is unpleasant, it must be good for you AND burn calories. So, yes of course it works. It feels unnatural, you are making a sacrifice to consume it, so it must be working :)
  • renegadegeek
    renegadegeek Posts: 24 Member
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    For those that aren't aware of vinegar's various uses, medical or otherwise, and would like to see some of the science:
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/531649_1

    It has an antiglycemic effect, has been shown to affect satiety and caloric intake, may positively affect blood pressure and may reduce cancer risk, among other things. The type of vinegar can make a difference, as various vinegars contain various compounds. To quote, "Other constituents of vinegar include vitamins, mineral salts, amino acids, polyphenolic compounds (eg, galic acid, catechin, caffeic acid, ferulic acid), and nonvolatile organic acids (eg, tartaric, citric, malic, lactic)."

    Anyway, back to the OP's questions, I don't have trouble drinking it straight, when I take it, but I do drink it warm, mixed it 1:1 with water and bit of molasses when I think that'll be too much on my stomach.

    Best wishes!
  • earthboundmisfit
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    If you think ACV helps you, it is available in capsules or tablets, that would make it easier to swallow. But if you drink it straight you might want to rinse your mouth with baking soda dissolved in water, to neutralize the acids on your teeth.
  • cindyb1984
    cindyb1984 Posts: 203 Member
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    This thread just made my night. She asked one simple question and everyone went off into some scientific debate. I dilute my 1 tbs of apple cider vinegar with 16 oz of water :) I makes me feel less bloated and happier so I take it every once in awhile simple as that :)

    Thanks :smile:
    This was my point exactly.
    If you don't take ACV and can't answer my question, then move on.
    I took it this morning with a big glass of lemon water...went down much easier.
    Thanks to everyone for their help!!!! :drinker:
  • CrossFitFit4Life
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    I take a tablespoon of it in a glass of water when I wake up, I don't want to add any calories as I don't think about how it taste, just health benefit. My mother has been doing this for years and I just started back up again.
  • mygrl4meee
    mygrl4meee Posts: 943 Member
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    My husband uses it for kidney stones. Hasn't had them since using it.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
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    BMC Gastroenterol. 2007 Dec 20;7:46.
    Effect of apple cider vinegar on delayed gastric emptying in patients with type 1 diabetes mellitus: a pilot study.
    Hlebowicz J1, Darwiche G, Björgell O, Almér LO.
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    Abstract
    BACKGROUND:
    Previous studies on healthy people show that vinegar delays gastric emptying and lowers postprandial blood glucose and insulin levels. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of apple cider vinegar on delayed gastric emptying rate on diabetes mellitus patients.

    METHODS:
    Ten patients with type 1 diabetes and diabetic gastroparesis, including one patient who had undergone vagotomy, were included and completed the investigator blinded crossover trial. The gastric emptying rate (GER) was measured using standardized real-time ultrasonography. The GER was calculated as the percentage change in the antral cross-sectional area 15 and 90 minutes after ingestion of 300 g rice pudding and 200 ml water (GER1), or 300 g rice pudding and 200 ml water with 30 ml apple cider vinegar (GER2). The subjects drank 200 ml water daily before breakfast one week before the measurement of GER1. The same subjects drank 200 ml water with 30 ml vinegar daily before breakfast for two weeks before the measurement of GER2.

    RESULTS:
    The median values of GER1 and GER2 were 27% and 17%, respectively. The effect of vinegar on the rate of gastric emptying was statistically significant (p < 0.05).

    CONCLUSION:
    This study shows that vinegar affects insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus patients with diabetic gastroparesis by reducing the gastric emptying rate even further, and this might be a disadvantage regarding to their glycaemic control.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18093343


    “Regular ingestion of cider vinegar is becoming an increasingly popular habit in Austria and Germany. Cider vinegar is described as a prophylaxis and cure for almost any disease or complaint. Doses from one teaspoon to six soupspoons per day have been recommended. A local bookshop offered nine different specialist books on the benefits of cider vinegar. Here we describe the case of a woman, in whom chronic ingestion of excessive amounts of cider vinegar caused serious health problems.” What kind of health problems? Well, the article is entitled ‘Hypokalemia, Hyperreninemia and Osteoporosis in a Patient Ingesting Large Amounts of Cider Vinegar’. Authors: Karl Lhotta, Günther Höfle, Rudolf Gasser, Gerd Finkenstedt. Ref: Nephron 1998;80:242-243 (DOI: 10.1159/000045180).


    Apple cider vinegar products are advertised in the popular press and over the Internet for treatment of a variety of conditions. After an adverse event was reported to the authors, eight apple cider vinegar tablet products were tested for pH, component acid content, and microbial growth. Considerable variability was found between the brands in tablet size, pH, component acid content, and label claims. Doubt remains as to whether apple cider vinegar was in fact an ingredient in the evaluated products. The inconsistency and inaccuracy in labelling, recommended dosages, and unsubstantiated health claims make it easy to question the quality of the products.
    Esophageal injury by apple cider vinegar tablets and subsequent evaluation of products.
    J Am Diet Assoc. 2005 Jul;105(7):1141-4.
    PMID: 15983536 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    Vinegar lacks antiglycemic action on enteral carbohydrate absorption in human subjects.
    Salbe AD1, Johnston CS, Buyukbese MA, Tsitouras PD, Harman SM.
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    The antiglycemic effects of vinegar have been known for more than a century and have been demonstrated in animal as well as human studies. Although the exact mechanism of vinegar action is not known, several possibilities have been proposed including suppression of disaccharidase activity, delayed gastric emptying, enhanced glucose uptake in the periphery and conversion to glycogen, and increased satiety. We hypothesized that by suppressing endogenous insulin secretion, we could estimate the glucose absorption rate from an oral carbohydrate load and determine the effects of vinegar ingestion on this rate. To do so, 5 subjects had 4 studies at 1-week intervals, randomly receiving placebo twice (60 mL water) and vinegar twice (20 mL apple cider vinegar, 40 mL water), followed 2 minutes later by a meal of mashed potatoes (0.75 g carbohydrate per kilogram body weight) that was consumed over 20 minutes. At the beginning of the meal, an oral octreotide/insulin suppression test (25-microg bolus octreotide; 180 minute infusion 5 mU/m(2) body surface area per minute regular human insulin, and 0.5 microg/min octreotide) was begun. Blood samples for insulin and glucose were drawn at 20-minute intervals. The oral octreotide/insulin suppression test suppressed endogenous insulin secretion for the first 100 minutes of the study. During this time, the rate of rise of glucose was modestly but significantly (P = .01) greater after vinegar ingestion compared to placebo, suggesting that vinegar does not act to decrease glycemia by interference with enteral carbohydrate absorption.

    PMID: 19963157 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
  • pseudomuffin
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    I drink a shot glass full when I'm having gallbladder pains. I just drink it straight without letting it touch my teeth and then chase it with a LOT of water. I can't stand dragging the process out since it tastes absolutely ghastly, though I know someone who drinks it every morning mixed in with a glass of water. She is WAY more hardcore than I will ever be.
  • FireOpalCO
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    Call me a smartass, call me unhelpful, call me whatever you want. All I am saying is don't just believe something you hear because someone else told you even if you trust that person. Look at the data, look for the evidence. I'm not telling you to believe me I am telling you to look at the studies, not the blog articles about the studies not whatever person or article or story you can find that agrees with your current viewpoint.
    If I don't know something I will straight up admit it. I did not know that acid reflux is caused by low stomach acid. As I stated I will have to look into that later.

    There are things I know and things I don't know.

    Which is why you quickly became one of my favorite people. You think critically and try to protect people from bad science/lack of critical thinking. They might get mad, but don't see that you're keeping them from wasting money, failing to solve their initial problem, and possibly doing actual harm to their body.

    I'm sure if we looked hard enough we could find someone promoting Kangaroo Piss as a weight loss drug.
  • ValGogo
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    I love it on salad, on hard boiled eggs, um, that's it I guess. I like vineager.
  • ValGogo
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    I do not, but could you put it in a cup of hot herbal tea? I don't know anything about ingesting it, but it works wonders on acne and can help treat sunburn :)

    it helps acne? do you put in on the skin? Seriuos question. let me know
  • MyChocolateDiet
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    what if you used that shot of that to down an easter egg coloring tablet? wonder if you'd find easter eggs in the toilet later?
  • ValGogo
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    I've heard that vinegar is good for reflux and heartburn because vinegar is an alkaline and balances out the excess of stomach acid calling the reflux. I don't think there's anything special about apple cider vinegar except it tastes a bit better.

    I know pickle juice is good for my hangover, but I think that's just a personal weird hangover thing ;)

    Vinegar is the opposite of alkaline, vinegar is acidic. It is diluted acetic acid.

    Acetic acid in turn is what bacteria piss out when you feed them alcohol.

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    sorry, I thought it might be funny!
  • pseudomuffin
    pseudomuffin Posts: 1,058 Member
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    what if you used that shot of that to down an easter egg coloring tablet? wonder if you'd find easter eggs in the toilet later?

    :laugh:
  • ValGogo
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    Now I know why some people hate posting on these forums...

    Yean I know. I was kind of a douc*e on this girls post earlier. I feel bad about it.

    But, I like vinegar. Always have. Use to put it on my boiled plaitains with fried onions. Mmmmm, onions!
  • nvpixie
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    I like putting a tablespoon or two in a big glass of ice water.

    The bottle of Braggs ACV claims to give a boost of energy. I don't know about that, but I like drinking it sometimes in the morning. It helps clear the mucous out of my throat (gross, I know, but sometimes I wake up congested and allergy-ish). It also helps when I have heartburn.

    Oh, and if you have trouble getting past the taste with water and ACV alone, try adding juice from a lemon wedge. It tastes like a very sour lemonade. I love it.

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