80/10/10--I'm doing it!

How is dietary cholesterol not a necessary nutrient if it's found in every cell membrane in the body? Are you aware that the body's synthesis of cholesterol is a very ineffective process because we have evolved or were created to eat cholesterol? Cholesterol and saturated fat are our friends not to be shunned or avoided.

Here's my stance on cholesterol, for all who are confused:

A) Dietary cholesterol has not been proven to cause health problems.

Dietary cholesterol has not been proven to be a necessary nutrient.

C) While it is uncommon, some individuals are sensitive to dietary cholesterol and should restrict it. People with family histories of this condition should watch their cholesterol levels closely even when at a healthy weight.

D) While it is uncommon, some individuals have difficulty synthesizing cholesterol in the liver and they should consume an adequate amount of dietary cholesterol for health. People with a family history of this condition should be very cautious about pursuing a vegan diet and should watch their levels closely.

With the caveat that I've only heard about points C and D through anecdotal experience and they may very well be wrong.

There you go.

How is dietary cholesterol not a necessary nutrient if it's found in every cell membrane in the body? Are you aware that the body's synthesis of cholesterol is a very ineffective process because we have evolved or were created to eat cholesterol? Cholesterol and saturated fat are our friends not to be shunned or avoided.

It's a diet that follows the idea of the ratio of nutrients to support health is 80% carbohydrates, 10% protein and 10% fat.

Not balanced at all. You will not build any muscle eating only 10% protein. In fact you will probably lose a lot of muscle mass And your body needs more fat than that. I am eating 40/30/30.

It's a diet that follows the idea of the ratio of nutrients to support health is 80% carbohydrates, 10% protein and 10% fat.

Not balanced at all. You will not build any muscle eating only 10% protein. In fact you will probably lose a lot of muscle mass And your body needs more fat than that. I am eating 40/30/30.

It depends on how many calories you eat.

I mean, if you're 80/10/10 and you eat 4000 calories you'd get 100g of protein. This would be enough for muscle building for an average sized woman.

I'm not saying it's not crazy, but it is possible to build muscle that way.

What average sized woman eats 4,000 calories a day?

It's a diet that follows the idea of the ratio of nutrients to support health is 80% carbohydrates, 10% protein and 10% fat.

Not balanced at all. You will not build any muscle eating only 10% protein. In fact you will probably lose a lot of muscle mass And your body needs more fat than that. I am eating 40/30/30.

It depends on how many calories you eat.

I mean, if you're 80/10/10 and you eat 4000 calories you'd get 100g of protein. This would be enough for muscle building for an average sized woman.

I'm not saying it's not crazy, but it is possible to build muscle that way.

What average sized woman eats 4,000 calories a day?

Well, I've seen 80/10/10 dieters recommend to get at least 2.5k calories per day for an average woman (that would be 62g of protein, which is reasonable) . Of course they say, "don't forget to exercise!"

Yeah, no kidding.

Not a great diet for long term, nor for weight loss.

How is dietary cholesterol not a necessary nutrient if it's found in every cell membrane in the body? Are you aware that the body's synthesis of cholesterol is a very ineffective process because we have evolved or were created to eat cholesterol? Cholesterol and saturated fat are our friends not to be shunned or avoided.

Amazingly, regardless of the intake of dietary cholesterol, in most people with normal liver functions the liver itself synthesizes 80-85% of the serum cholesterol that circulates in our bloodstream. The rest (15-20%) is ultimately delivered via dietary cholesterol intake.

However, that doesn't mean that a complete elimination of dietary cholesterol would result in a cholesterol-deficiency. Just like the elimination of carbohydrate causes the body to synthesize glucose, the elimination dietary cholesterol seems to step up the cholesterol production in a healthy person - from what we know now.

However, when it comes to 80/10/10 it's not cholesterol that's the dangerous issue, it's the levels of protein and fat. (And for some with metabolic disorders, the high-levels of carbohydrate).

Taking in only 10% of calories from fat will, through all science we know today, lead to serious nutrient deficiencies. Dietary fat is essential for healthy people in quantities well-above 10% of calories.

Similarly for protein requirements - for any active individual, 10% is simply not enough. It's pretty close to a bare-minimum for a sedentary individual, and as such lean-mass will likely be catabolized.

And if a person eats a caloric surplus (above TDEE) to try to get recommended protein or fat levels... well, that person is going to experience weight (adipose tissue, ie: FAT) gain.

It's a BAD idea, 80/10/10. It may "feel" good to those who start it (probably due to cleaner eating and an abundance of sugar) but will result in serious complications over the long term, as those who've tried it, suffered the consequences, and left it in the dust will attest to. (There's several forums dedicated to EX-raw-vegan and EX-80/10/10 people.)

Reading some of these comments is increasing my frustration towards the negative associations with people on a vegan diet.
If you find a diet that works for your system then by all means stick to it, but that doesn't mean that it will work for everyone. I'm all for cutting out animal products (I'm vegan), but it is obvious our systems were meant to process an omnivorous diet. Animal products are not 'toxic', maybe a little more risky to eat in the current era as they are more complex to farm, but that doesn't mean we are not meant to eat them. Some people find the best health including animal products, others find animal products can use too much of their energy to process. Either way, a universal perfect balance is hard to achieve with any diet.

I'm on the 80-10-10 raw diet and would have to agree that it probably isn't for those who are cutting calories below ~1500/day. Below that, and you would only have a very small portion of fat in maybe one meal, not enough to help the fat-soluble micronutrients absorb efficiently. Even with supplementation, fats and proteins would have to be monitored very precisely as they would be cut down to levels too low for people without an efficient metabolism (and I mean EFFICIENT not HIGH).

Nevertheless, even if your calorie intake is high on 811, you must supplement with b-complex or include something like nutritional yeast (unless you somehow include soil particles in your raw food). 811 has been one of the best lifestyle changes for me, and has cleared up many health issues I have had (ex. kidney cysts/stones from too much protein and calcium) but my meals (more like lots of snacks) are very carefully thought out, and I get bloodwork done every 2 weeks.

I would also suggest eating as many veggies as possible so your blood sugar levels are a little more controlled and you can cram as many micronutrients in as possible. Again, it worked well for me but someone else might be affected differently.

I follow 80/10/10!

I follow 80/10/10!