50 Shades - Great, or the Greatest?

Appalled at the closed-mindedness. It's like 1692 in here.

Think so? I happen to write erotica and have had some things published. Difference is I write GOOD erotica.

How, precisely, do you measure "good erotica"? Whether is sold? Whether it got good reviews? Bad reviews? She's sold MILLIONS of copies and is now making it into a movie. A good major have loved the books. She also doesn't go around bashing other people's writings..........

Depending on your definition of "good"... I'd say she writes better erotica than you. :glasses:

My definition of "good" is that people can read it without flinching in pain. Her story is completely ripped off from Twilight, at least mine is original. My heroine is not a college graduate who has never used a computer and uses British slang terms even though she's American. And while I do dabble in BDSM, I don't create a hero who stalks the heroine and makes her sign a contract to endure pain. FSOG only sold well because it was fan fic. Not because it was good.

And there were plenty of people who were able to read it without flinching in pain. Her story is based on Twilight, but at least the storyline was changed enough that it's not an actual rip-off. Everything is influenced by something, and very rarely is anything ever an 'original'. It's simply a re-telling of what's already been told.

It wasn't marketed as fan-fic, so I doubt that's why it sold so many copies. It's because it's mommy porn, and not surprisingly, a lot of women had no idea that this kind of writing existed outside of Fabio-covered books. So grammatically, who cares as long as it's getting someone's knickers wet? That's the whole POINT of erotica, right?

I read it, and I didn't enjoy it. I'm not arguing that a book may not have been to someone's liking. But your hatred of something that sold so well, simply because you consider it 'bad' writing is incredibly petty. And to then flout "I'm a better writer" is seen only as something akin to a nasty jealousy rager.

What's with this whole mommy porn thing?

I had an interesting sex life before I became a mother, and I still do.

Appalled at the closed-mindedness. It's like 1692 in here.

Think so? I happen to write erotica and have had some things published. Difference is I write GOOD erotica.

How, precisely, do you measure "good erotica"? Whether is sold? Whether it got good reviews? Bad reviews? She's sold MILLIONS of copies and is now making it into a movie. A good major have loved the books. She also doesn't go around bashing other people's writings..........

Depending on your definition of "good"... I'd say she writes better erotica than you. :glasses:

My definition of "good" is that people can read it without flinching in pain. Her story is completely ripped off from Twilight, at least mine is original. My heroine is not a college graduate who has never used a computer and uses British slang terms even though she's American. And while I do dabble in BDSM, I don't create a hero who stalks the heroine and makes her sign a contract to endure pain. FSOG only sold well because it was fan fic. Not because it was good.

And there were plenty of people who were able to read it without flinching in pain. Her story is based on Twilight, but at least the storyline was changed enough that it's not an actual rip-off. Everything is influenced by something, and very rarely is anything ever an 'original'. It's simply a re-telling of what's already been told.

It wasn't marketed as fan-fic, so I doubt that's why it sold so many copies. It's because it's mommy porn, and not surprisingly, a lot of women had no idea that this kind of writing existed outside of Fabio-covered books. So grammatically, who cares as long as it's getting someone's knickers wet? That's the whole POINT of erotica, right?

I read it, and I didn't enjoy it. I'm not arguing that a book may not have been to someone's liking. But your hatred of something that sold so well, simply because you consider it 'bad' writing is incredibly petty. And to then flout "I'm a better writer" is seen only as something akin to a nasty jealousy rager.

Her story was NOT based on Twilight. It was based on Pamela.

What's with this whole mommy porn thing?

I had an interesting sex life before I became a mother, and I still do.

It's been an interesting recurring theme in the thread - housewives and moms and stuff.

"One might assume" that after marraige and children people may be inclined to become more sexually adventurous rather than less, considering that the audience has (typically) become exclusively captive; thus the stakes are lower regarding rejection, et cetera, making adventurousness more accessible than in earlier phases of relationships.

The supposition of a sexual lobotomy occuring in tandem with parenthood is odd.

The concept that what you might call 'deviance' is solely the domain of unwed individuals seems a bit sheltered, like when people think that their generation was the first to discover drugs or homosexuality, that these aren't things that their great great grandparents and their contemporaries dwelled in an amongst in their day. It's sort of ironically myopic. The supposedly worldly having the most narrow focus of all, more narrow than those they critique who go out and find and enjoy what - to quote another poster - wets their knickers.

Just for me personally, sex and sexuality is an extremely important aspect to my happiness, and I need it frequently. I also need to always have some novelty and excitement. As time goes on, that means bringing more and new things into it. At this point conventional sex just won't do it for me.

I think the nay-sayers are forgetting the book was written by a women.

Yurippe, I'm sure you're a fine girl as well but this website (to say nothing of the novels we're discussing!) is for people over the age of 18 years, and from your profile picture you are clearly a two- or possibly three-year-old child.

No, this book was copied from Twilight by a woman. Just with some porn added and a lot of whipping. Please.

Helena Bonham Carter strikes me as someone who would like whips. *shrug*

Hmmm... Helena Bonham Carter and whips?

Looks like a great thread to find fellow slaves and Masters! Add me if you live the lifestyle and would like MFP friends who do too lol...

Which lifestyle do you mean, reading crappy erotic so mundane and poorly written even a desperate housewife can love it?

the D/s lifestyle. I dont care about the book/movie but it seems like there are several people on this thread who may also live the D/s lifestyle and they would understood what I meant.

I am debating responding to this seriously or with more sarcasm.

Oh sweet Jesus, I made it roll....


MCD

Looks like a great thread to find fellow slaves and Masters! Add me if you live the lifestyle and would like MFP friends who do too lol...

Which lifestyle do you mean, reading crappy erotic so mundane and poorly written even a desperate housewife can love it?

the D/s lifestyle. I dont care about the book/movie but it seems like there are several people on this thread who may also live the D/s lifestyle and they would understood what I meant.

I am debating responding to this seriously or with more sarcasm.

Oh sweet Jesus, I made it roll....


MCD

lol... thanks! i wanted the roll to post that.

overall I think it's important to really really remember it's a work of fiction. i just feel that's the key point. fiction is meant to be entertainment and thusly does not need to adhere to rules for any practices nor be seen as "promoting" anything.

It might be said to be *portraying* something, but that's it. That's as far as we can go really.

there is plenty of fiction that dabbles in uncomfortable subject matter like patterson writes stuff like that heck they all do. but we don't take any of that too seriously, I guess I have to wonder why people want to take THIS particular piece of fiction so seriously?

anyways that's why i thought that gif was appropriate b/c it had someone getting all perturbed at the computer and then some light hearted entertainment to break up the seriousness. It might be a book and that might be more culturally palatable to some than TV or movies and thus WANT it to be held to some higher standard, but it's still just fiction. A genre with very few rules and very little to answer to.

Well I didn't read the whole thread, just the opening post. I really hope this guy is joking. 50 shades is not about women's issues. It does not portray lifestyle D/s at all with any accuracy either. It seemed to me that is was pure fantasy with not much grounded in the realities of what it is like to be in a D/s relationship. Disclaimer: I read only snippets and will not be seeing the movie.

I cannot believe this subject rolled. How sad your lives must be that this subject is so important to you, you need to go on and on about it.