sabotagers... are real

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  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    Oh my goodness, I didn't really believe that people who care about you really did this... but diet sabotagers are actually out there.
    I spent the day with a friend who doesn't usually eat much (if at all), I divulged to her I was on a serious mission to regain my former healthy weight... she spent the whole day trying to feed me junk food, unbelievable! The person who will sit in a restaurant and eat nothing was suddenly in and out of shops eating cr@p... she even ate two ice creams, all the while trying to persuade me to do the same. At one point she was begging me to eat rum and raisin, making me look at all the lovely flavours and willing me to break!
    What is that all about??

    if you told her you were on a serious mission to regain your former weight, then she was trying to help you because "regain my former weight" means get heavier.... i.e. she thought you considered yourself to be underweight and to need to gain weight to get healthy....

    Is there some difference in British and American English or something that changes the meaning of the bolded text? Because I really think if that's what the OP said, that her friend may have thought that she *wanted* to gain weight, and that her actions were trying to help.... it's an ambiguous sentence that could be interpreted both ways.

    OP: have you even asked your friend about this, i.e. found out what she thought you meant? You could be throwing away a perfectly good friendship over a miscommunication. You're attributing some pretty bad motives to her behaviour, when there could be a much simpler explanation, i.e. she thought you wanted to gain weight. Usually it's best to talk to people rather than ranting about them online. If I was that friend, I would have thought from the words you used above that you wanted to gain weight, and then if you'd not meant that and interpreted my attempts to help you gain weight as sabotage and then ranted about me on the internet rather than talking to me, I'd be extremely hurt, angry and upset. Seriously, talk to her, find out what she thought you meant, if it was a miscommunication then you can both laugh about it and still be friends. Otherwise you're at risk of losing a good friend over a simple miscommunication....

    Oh I seriously assumed you were joking and was gonna make a "nice one!" Post. You really think a bigger gal meant she wanted to get fatter when she said "I'd like to regain my former shape"? Is this some health at every size alternate universe or something? :)

    The OP doesn't actually look fat in her picture. You look at her profile picture and tell me if you think she looks fat? I don't think she does. I certainly wouldn't describe her as a "bigger gal".... maybe it's an old picture up for motivation, or maybe it's current, I don't know. But there are plenty of people on here who just want to lose 5-10 lb or even 20lb who don't look fat at all.

    Sorry you find my efforts to possibly save a friendship to be so amusing........ suppose, just suppose, that the OP really does look like she does in her picture (i.e. not fat) and that what she said to her friend was just as ambiguous as what she typed, and that the friend really did misunderstand her and think she wanted to gain weight....... none of that is far fetched, but it seems everyone just wants to jump on the shame the "sabotager" (sic) witch hunt bandwagon rather than consider the possibility that the whole thing may have been a misunderstanding.

    You don't think it's a good idea that the OP just talks to her friend to find out what she thought she was doing? You know, just to be sure that it wasn't all a big misunderstanding, before carrying on ranting about how horrible she is on the internet and ending the friendship?

    Her ticker says she wants to lose 43 lbs. assuming her friend has known her for any length of time, 60 or 70 lbs overweight is likely to not be her "former healthy weight". I don't have a pitch fork. I just thought you were joking, and ultimately found your stance and incredulity at what to you perhaps just had to be a difference between American and British communication to be a tad ludicrous.

    But hey, if she used to weigh 90 lbs at her "healthy weight" and is 5'10", perhaps getting back to 150 could be her healthy weight after all!! Amazing

    I didn't look at her ticker, I just looked at her picture (not fat). I posted what I did because I thought there's a chance the whole thing could have been a misunderstanding and that this should be considered before concluding that the friend was deliberately sabotaging her.

    I would take "I want to regain my former weight" as wanting to gain weight or at least as a sentence I'd question someone about to find out what they really meant... I wouldn't use "regain" in that context (I'm British) - I'd say "I want to get back to my former weight" so "regain my former weight" sounds weird and ambiguous to me, and sounds even more weird being used to mean getting back to a former weight that's lighter than your current weight.

    I believe that if there is a possibility that any dispute between friends was a perfectly innocent misunderstanding - even when that's the less likely of two possible explanations - talking about it is a vital step. Then at least you know where everyone stands, and if it wasn't a misunderstanding you can take it from there... but if it was a misunderstanding then talking about it and clearing up the misunderstanding saves the friendship.
    I don't know about you guys, but around here, we are frequently confused about what people mean because words get used the wrong way. It is why many people run around saying someone was "literally on fire" when, of course, flames had never come near them. People have misused the word "literally" so much that the "figurative" definition had to be added into the dictionary. There is barely a distinction between literal and figurative anymore.

    Clarification is often gleaned from context, but sometimes you have to ask questions like, "Do you actually want to gain weight?" In order to figure something out.

    We also add "at" to sentences for no reason. "Where is it at?" "Where are you at?" It is usually added to questions. You don't hear people say, "I'm going for a walk at," or "He left it in the car at."

    It's how we roll. :)
  • lemonsnowdrop
    lemonsnowdrop Posts: 1,298 Member
    You can always say no. No one is forcing you to eat, you are an adult.

    The fact that you call stuff like ice cream crap shows you have a distorted view on food while labeling things good and bad.

    +1
  • WhatMeRunning
    WhatMeRunning Posts: 3,538 Member
    I just hope all of the ads on this site don't start offering images of junk food or fast food. Because if so, we're all doomed!
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    I just hope all of the ads on this site don't start offering images of junk food or fast food. Because if so, we're all doomed!

    Are you kidding? I was wondering where to get the cheesesteak sandwich I just saw an ad for, and also wondering where else I could get a good one in town
  • Mawskittykat
    Mawskittykat Posts: 241 Member
    Definition of Sabotage

    Sabotage is a deliberate action aimed at weakening a person through subversion, obstruction, disruption, or destruction. People who sabotage typically try to conceal their identities because of the consequences of their actions. Food for thought...even people who tell you "don't you think you have lost enough" could be trying to deliberately sabotage or obstruct or weaken you in your efforts to be healthier. That doesn't mean they will hold you at gunpoint...They are subtle because generally they have a reason. Even though it's a ridiculous one
  • mrsmammahunter
    mrsmammahunter Posts: 221 Member
    I feel you. My husband is on board with me getting healthy but he's all about me having "cheat days" ... Almost everyday.
    It takes a lot of self control to not give in to offers of Dairy Queen and chocolate bars everyday.

    my husband is like this always asking to eat out and its not very supportive.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    What is that all about??

    Obviously she was self-sabotaging herself just to make you eat more. That's the only possible logical conclusion.

    Because, you know, the universe revolves around you, and everything anybody does is about, you know, you.
  • astroophys
    astroophys Posts: 175 Member
    I would just talk to her about it, not accusingly or anything like that, but compassionately. Why assume evil intentions? She's your friend, right? Treat her as such.
  • quietattheback
    quietattheback Posts: 84 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.
  • PrizePopple
    PrizePopple Posts: 3,133 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.

    +1

    I give this thread at least another 8-10 hours and no less than a dozen cat gifs before it rides off into the sunset.

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  • astroophys
    astroophys Posts: 175 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Well, when you vent on a public forum visited by (from what I can guess) thousands of people, expect responses.
  • jazzie_red
    jazzie_red Posts: 180 Member
    I had to get rid of a friend who did this.

    I told her my doctor told me to lose the wieght. I needed to get the weight off due to a bad liver test. So I decided to fastest way to cut calories was to stop drinking them. I told her I was forgoing soda, and drinking water. So what would she do: Show up to my house with a one liter of coke. Every single time. She would do this kind of stuff, like putting snacks in my face when I would go to her home. specifically for me. I am an inpulse eater and I cannot be around food like that. I know not to keep a plate of something next to me, because I will eat it and next thing you know, the plate is empty. When I would tell her I no thank you, she would get upset and say: I think you should eat what you want. (Yes, she was very overwieght. But she was pear, I am an apple, and it's much much worse to carry weight in your midsection.)

    It hurts, but my health comes first.
  • ell_23
    ell_23 Posts: 103
    I know how you feel.

    I have a close friend who I like and care about a lot. But if there's one thing that might make me snap at her in the near future is her sabotage.

    She's a very small girl herself. She isn't ill but she does have a little obsession with food and staying thin. When she gained 4 pounds at university she started calling herself fat, saying she felt disgusting (fair enough) but she also felt like she was "so big". She went from 112 to 116 pounds.

    She's noticed me starting to lose weight, and she seems to try to subtly do everything she can to stop me from losing more weight. My other friend has noticed too, and believes that she is starting to panic that someone else will get down to the same weight as her. She wants to be the thinnest. Like I said, she seems to have a little issue with weight but nothing serious I don't think…

    She tries to persuade me I hardly eat anything and that she eats so much more than me. Or sometimes when I've eaten chocolate and crap and feel guilty she won't just reassure me that one day is fine to cheat like most people would, she will try to convince me that it's fine to do that every day as I barely eat anything anyway (this is, by the way, not true - I always eat 1250-1500 calories per day of substantial meals 3 times a day!).

    She then constantly tells me that I'm "tiny" and "if you lose more weight there will be nothing to you". This is also very untrue. And once when she said this in front of this same other friend we share, the other friend said "well, that's not really true…". I wasn't offended, she didn't say it in a mean way, she was just pointing out the obvious and sort of saying 'why are you saying that when it's blatantly not true?'. I almost find it an insult when people give you compliments that are untrue.

    She even said "your legs are thinner than mine now!". By this point of that particular day, I'd had enough. So I got up, went over to and sat down next to her, and put my leg against hers. While my thighs are about 20-21 inches, hers were quite literally and quite obviously about 17 inches. I said "see? can you stop saying I'm smaller than you please" and she went quiet and mumbled something about how she had longer legs so they only appeared thinner - ridiculous. We think she's trying desperately to stop me from losing any more weight.

    And it's quite sad, and I feel for her that she panics so much over weight and thinness and her friends being thinner than her, but at the same time it's almost getting on my last nerve. I like compliments, but not when they are made up and quite obviously exaggerated. It's a bit embarrassing and I almost find it insulting.
  • quietattheback
    quietattheback Posts: 84 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.

    Wtf... I am not scared of her and I never say anything I would be afraid to say to someone's face! Unlike you I don't hide behind cartoons... don't bother replying I have hit the ignore button on you.
  • She is trying to trip the diet up - semantics about terminology others are raising here aside. That would bug me if she was trying THAT hard. Guess she doesn't want you to self-improve. A shame but there are so many like that out there.
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  • freshstart180213
    freshstart180213 Posts: 170 Member
    Apologies as prob someone already said this but it sounds like typical female crap and exactly the reason my friends were always male she is comfortable with u being the fat friend it makes her feel attractive next to you thats why she sabotaged u complete insecurity on her part if lose the weight then u make take the attention off of her

    my advice decide how good a friend she is if she is worth it keep her if not then move on but be prepared on your journey as u reach your target she may dump u as u dont serve the comfortable purpose she had for u in which case her loss stick to your guns losing weight is so worth it lately my nsv have been fitting in smaller clothes and nothing beats that feeling
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  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.

    Wtf... I am not scared of her and I never say anything I would be afraid to say to someone's face! Unlike you I don't hide behind cartoons... don't bother replying I have hit the ignore button on you.

    Generally speaking, if you say that you're not afraid to say it to someone's face, then you're saying that you're willing to deal with the consequences of your words, whatever they may be. Putting someone on ignore, or venting about them online behind their back, completely contradicts that.

    I hope you are able to talk to your friend and resolve your issues.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Every single time. She would do this kind of stuff, like putting snacks in my face when I would go to her home. specifically for me. I am an inpulse eater and I cannot be around food like that.

    So you know you're an "impulse eater" - and you know she'll put food out - but you went over there anyway.

    How is that anybody's fault but your own?
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.

    Wtf... I am not scared of her and I never say anything I would be afraid to say to someone's face! Unlike you I don't hide behind cartoons... don't bother replying I have hit the ignore button on you.

    Generally speaking, if you say that you're not afraid to say it to someone's face, then you're saying that you're willing to deal with the consequences of your words, whatever they may be. Putting someone on ignore, or venting about them online behind their back, completely contradicts that.

    I hope you are able to talk to your friend and resolve your issues.

    Indeed.

    The OP seems to have forgotten she was the one who came on a public forum to talk **** about someone she claims is a "friend".
  • Wow ...... I am all for taking personal responsibility and all, but as someone who has worked with addiction a lot I know it's not as simple as that - environment and the people in it are a huge factor in kicking a habit. It's a perfectly plausible idea that OP may have a friend who subconsciously tried to "sabotage" her, there are a lot of people out there who feel inadequate when others improve themselves; it doesn't have to be anything to do with weight.

    OP - my advice would be to not be upset with or confront your friend, she may well be trying to distract you from the self improvement you've embarked upon, completely without thinking; keep your goals and reasons in mind at all time and remember that everyone else has their own reasons for their behaviour. I am sure your friend meant no harm.

    As for everyone else - I think it is very negative to make the individual entirely culpable for their weight gain/ loss. Of course it is only one person feeding themselves, however it is not just a case of "willpower" so much else goes into it and lacking support of friends and family IS sabotaging, whether that be the intent or not. It would be so easy for each of us to beat ourselves up over how unhealthy we have become, but I feel that just leads to a lot of unnecessary self hatred. What we all need to understand is why we got to a place we don't want to be, and sometimes the people and circumstances around us are a huuuuge contributing factor. Doesn't mean it's the fault of others, nor does it mean it isn't our own fault, it's just the way it is.

    Be kind and understanding MFP, a lot of the time it is the lack of kindness and understanding in our lives that result in comforting behaviours such as over eating :)
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Be kind and understanding MFP...

    The OP came on here and publicly trashed a "friend", ascribing all kinds of bad intentions to her/him.

    "Kindness begins at a home", etc.
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  • Not saying we're not culpable but humans are so much more complicated that just free will ........... else we'd all will ourselves to be how we wanted wouldn't we?

    As for "trashing" a friend who isn't on the forum ; I'd say that's hardly a great crime against said friend. Think everyone ought to be a bit more compassionate. People come here when they're not getting support elsewhere. Don't go feeding them negativity here too.
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  • WhatMeRunning
    WhatMeRunning Posts: 3,538 Member
    Even if you want to look at it from the addiction angle, then it is STILL up to the individual. Every...single...day!

    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    The courage to change the things I can,
    And the wisdom to know the difference.
  • Risrisris
    Risrisris Posts: 11 Member
    I think that friends and family aren't ready to handle us changing. My husband does most of the cooking and shopping and during the first two weeks in September he made fancy cheeseburgers and other delicious food with tons of fat. He also bought a bag of sour cream and onion potato chips which I tend to eat the whole bag when they are in the house. It wasn't until I took a smaller portion at dinner and got up and made a salad a few weeks in a row that he got the hint. Then he made zucchini lasagna one night and he found out that it was delicious. The next day I made a point to thank him for finding healthy alternatives and how much I appreciated his support. I think that was when he took ownership of his role in my weight loss and now feels part of it instead of an outsider seeing his best friend change. Be strong in your steadfastness and be kind to your friend. You have to guide her as to what support you need.

    That is a great answer!
  • LifeWithPie
    LifeWithPie Posts: 552 Member
    Ok I was venting. She is a lovely friend. I have moved on, maybe everyone else can too.

    Here's hoping she wanders by MFP and sees this thread.

    Wtf... I am not scared of her and I never say anything I would be afraid to say to someone's face! Unlike you I don't hide behind cartoons... don't bother replying I have hit the ignore button on you.

    Um...you're saying it here because you're afraid to say it to HER face. What am I missing here?