Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!

OP, can you give your definition of clean eating? Because, honestly, all these "clean eaters" have many different views on what is "clean". Some think it is food only picked from a plant, others think it has to have less than five ingredients. I think the most hilarious one to date was a friend telling me that a food was "clean" when you knew what all the ingredients were. So, uneducated people were eating very unclean foods, but say, a chemist specializing in food could eat any damn thing they pleased and call it clean.

Seriously, just give up. Your "science" has no real scientific backing. Just like low fat, low carb, atkins, south beach, and paleo, clean eating is just a fad, and based in quasi theories.

All of this.

Also, OP, there are TONS of "health conscious" people here and they will not only NOT say the exact same thing as you, but tell you that you are WRONG. As you've seen. (Though you seem to have tried to head all disagreement off by calling everyone trolls.)

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT!

Gee... I'm now a baked potato. :grumble:

I agree with you. Fruit and vegetables are filling and contain less calories. Fast food can be high in salt and fat. As well as high in calories. So i believe my doctor and nutritionist. They advise to stay away from processed high calorie fatty food. However if all you have available is fast food then try to eat best options available. People are crazy to think your advice is useless. The key is balance. Look at what's really in your food and decide for yourself. I'm with you. I am slowly trying to be healthy. Also fast food isn't always accurate calorie count. They may give you more food than a serving. Fries are closely packed but some may give more or less. Chick film a has a certain way to fill fries. Get someone who is in a hurry and over packs then. There goes your calorie count.

Define "healthy."

Well, if you actually need me to define "healthy" for you, then here it is:

adjective, healthier, healthiest.
1. possessing or enjoying good health or a sound and vigorous mentality:
"a healthy body; a healthy mind."

That's how the dictionary defines. If that doesn't satisfy you, then my definition of healthy is being able to sleep restfully through the night, having the energy to make it through the day without needing to consume caffeine/sugar, pooping regularly, feeling positive, and happy, and knowing that, barring any chronic/unexpected diseases, you are going to look forward to long life.

If neither of those help you in your search for healthy, I'm not sure what will.

bump for 24 ounces of coffee please.

Define "healthy."

You know what it is. Don't be snide.

Define "healthy."

You know what it is. Don't be snide.

As Voltaire stated, "If you wish to converse with me, first define your terms."

However, HE was a snide SOB.

Oh, also Aristotle

"The first condition of the possibility of any argument whatever is that words should signify something both to the speaker and the hearer: without this there can be no reasoning with any one."
~ Aristotle as paraphrased by Sir Thomas Heath in Euclid's "Elements", Vol. I, p. 121
http://members.shaw.ca/robbercs/exordium.html

I agree with what you are saying. I would go further as to say both are relevant. Eating huge portions of anything are not likely to help. I don't think those is the opposite camp will be convinced to eat clean until they experience it for themselves. Eating a clean diet changes your whole life. And we can preach it and advise to others, but really we can only help ourselves. What most people what to hear is the can eat whatever they want in any quantity and never leave their couches and some magic bullet will come along and overnight everything will be perfect. I have explored this site a bit and I sure your sentiments.

Disagree. I've competed several times (6) and each and every competition I ate "clean" for 12-16 weeks. It didn't make me any healthier than I was already, it just allowed me to eat enough to be full (lots of fiber). Was it more nutrient dense? Possibly, but even "off season" I was reaching my macros/micros on a daily basis. Did it want me to change to a "clean" eating regimen? NOPE, because I actually deleted a lot of the cultural foods I ate off season.
I've not competed since I 28 and in that time I've been able to eat whatever I want and staying within 10lbs-15lbs of my "off season" weight for the last 22 years. Am I any less healthy? Doubt it since not much has changed in my fitness regimen, nor has any physical assessments come back with negative results.
What I don't think people who are in the "clean eating" group understand is that the body DOESN'T distinguish between a multigrain piece of processed bread or one that "organically" baked and made in the digestion process. It breaks both down to the it's simplest forms and digests and absorbs available macro and nutrients.That's it. No special process is needed to decipher if it's whole or processed.

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Hmmm. You are what you eat.

Guess I'mma bowl of count chocula. ♡ yum yum yum

wanna share that and I'll share my Milk Duds with you??

Yes plz:flowerforyou:

Then, we can have some

that would be perfect IF we could add bacon to it! Otherwise, I am falling for youuuuuuu!

I'll get it started

Omg...can I pleeeease join in on this?! I promise I won't become clingy afterwards.

What about fish?

So OP is complaining that when someone asked for weight loss advice, and she gave them irrelevant cleaning eating advice, this advice was pointed out as being irrelevant.

And this was wrong because...?

Isnt it linked though? If eating cleaner helps you get more food, which is better for you , provides more energy, keeps you feeling fuller for longer, then that helps with being able to stick to your diet and aids weight loss. Notwithstanding the overall calorie deficit.

Btw as someone new to MFP is this one of those recurring threads?

The person in question was not expressing problems staying full. She may have needed more experience with MFP's tricks of logging food and exercise accurately, and been eating more than she thought.

It is entirely possible that she would have been unsatiated on her existing diet once fixing the logging, but that is not the case for everyone. It is also possible that she would have expressed an interest in eating more home cooked foods or the like or asked for nutrition tips. But she did not.

Thus, the question is whether the OP should have told her that she HAD TO eat differently in order to lose weight. IMO, providing false rather than factual information--in essence, lying to people--is never right nor a good idea, even if you think it's in their best interest.