Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!
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Seriously, stop it. This is not helpful. It's not what the food is, it's overall calories and macros. As long as a person eats in a calorie deficit, the pounds will come off, it doesn't matter what the food being consumed is.
Really, so If all I ate was sunflower oil, say 1000 calories worth, I should have no problems with my body or the weight coming off. Interesting.
No, you'd be dead. But the same would hold if all you ate was 1000 calories of lettuce. or 1000 calories of bananas.
You've posted a strawman - an imaginary ridiculous position because no one, NO ONE, is suggesting you only eat one food item.
Weight loss is ruled primarily by maintaining a calorie deficit. You should also eat food that is principally fresh and varied but in no way has eating some "fast food" within that variety been shown to create some crazy risk.
OP is wrong.
The single most important health risk factor for an overweight population is the extra weight - reducing that provides more clinically verifiable health benefits than "clean" eating.0 -
Yeah...I get it. I agree with you. I have to pay attention to all the macros, not just calories. If I focus on strictly calories in/calories out, I won't lose.
if you burn more than you consume....you will.
If it were that easy, I would be skinny. If that works for you, then that is excellent. I must be the exception to the rule. I have tried to lose weight every way imaginable (with the exception of surgery). I'm not saying I eat clean. I still eat some processed foods. I am just saying, I personally need to pay attention to the whole picture in order to be successful. Counting calories alone will sabotage me every time. I have learned this by trial and error. I am sorry if you don't believe me, but it is true.
It doesn't negate the fact that thermodynamics rules weight loss.
Sustainability is a very important factor to overall success but that doesn't change the fact...0 -
Define "healthy."
You know what it is. Don't be snide.
I wasn't being snide, it's a valid question. If you are going to label someone as healthy, you need to have specific, measurable criteria as a basis for comparison to determine that label. If you read through and see the OP's response, her criteria are completely subjective and based on her views. Not to mention that people doing the things she is railing against could easily meet those same ambiguous criteria, making her entire argument completely worthless.
But your response was swift and you know you have come across this argument before, so you knew what was meant by "healthy". So we don't really need to define healthy, per say, but rather what she meant by it. I believe she is saying that a reasonable diet should be nutritionally sound as opposed to all junk and processed food. This has been called eating healthy in nutrition circles. So what is it? I myself believe and practice balance and limitations. I know I cannot partake in ice cream at all 3 meals and hope to keep my health in check. I cannot buy a tub of lard and eat 2000 calories of it daily and hope to live very long. My body would not get it's much needed nutrients. Would I still lose weight in a deficit of purely lard? I don't think so. My machine would not be getting the proper fuels needed for it to function. I know this is extreme, but it is the very thinking being propagated by so many that do not know better. I totally believe in having a well rounded eating plan, even with pizza, chips at times, meat and so on, BUT IN MODERATION. We need to stop calling these treats, we are not circus animals. We don't really deserve treats after how some of us have treated food and become morbidly obese, myself included. Cheat days? What is that? Who are we cheating? We have weight to lose! And using food as a reward? Don't get me started on that.0 -
Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?0 -
In honor of this thread, I had three servings of Cinnamon Toast Crunch for dinner. I'm sure I'll be dead by morning as a result, but death sure did taste good going down.0
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To recap, this is not based on a debate about whether there are good reasons (personal goals to improve fitness, for example, or to improve health or to stay satiated) to eat one way vs. another. I am sure everyone agrees there are, even if we might disagree on the details.
This is about a poster who said, in essence, I'm eating 1200 calories and not losing, why not?
The correct answer to that question is either (a) you aren't logging correctly, or (b) you have a health issue. If (b), it will aid her to log as correctly as possible and know her actual calories before going to the doctor, so people gave her advise on how to log.
The OP seems to claim that the answer that the poster should have been given is that she was eating the wrong food. In other words, that you can genuinely eat 1200 calories of Lean Cuisine and Panda Express or whatever and not lose, because magical processing trumps calories and makes them behave as if you are really consuming 2500. (If this is so, that would be good to know, as I'm sure it would have other uses. I'm pretty skeptical, however, as it makes no sense at all.)
I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend the OP's argument here, as it seems obvious to me that she is not merely saying that what you eat matters for health or nutrition or so on (which I expect everyone agrees with, but again disagrees on the details--like whether greek yogurt will kill me faster and, if so, whether it is because of the dread processing or the fact I'm not a baby cow). She is saying that we should have LIED to the poster and told her that you can't lose weight on 1200 calories unless you eat unprocessed foods.0 -
Lol, no sex?Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
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Glazed?? LIke donuts? Those are healthy right? I mean.....no one can dispute that, right???
...and this about sums it up. You know what they say about opinions & this is MFP, sooooooooo. :drinker:
Well to keep on theme...........I'm not sorry. :flowerforyou:0 -
Yep. Number indicator for health risk.The single most important health risk factor for an overweight population is the extra weight - reducing that provides more clinically verifiable health benefits than "clean" eating.
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Well, unhealth can include illness/disease, so yes. Depression is an illness.Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?0 -
I totally agree and am proof that a low-carb diet works! I've already lost 3 lbs in three weeks....slow it goes...but that's cool with me. I'm on this diet not only to lose weight but also to feel better. My health is suffering due to extreme back problems and lack of exercise. So, I've started walking on a treadmill (daily) at a moderate pace so I won't hurt my back more than it already hurts and have made extreme changes in my eating habits. Oh, I definitely fall off the wagon into something sweet or with bread, but after I see the carbs listed on my chart, I jump right back on the wagon. Basically, it really depends on how much someone wants something. If you want to lose weight and get healthy bad enough, you WILL make the necessary changes.0
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Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
Is this a trick question? If you can't function emotionally in daily life, are you healthy?0 -
As someone said in another thread or words to this effect: Put on your big girl panties and eat your vegetables!
To that I would add another: Stop arguing over the minutiae of your particular definitions for common terms!
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Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
Is this a trick question? If you can't function emotionally in daily life, are you healthy?
Mental and physical health are two different things.0 -
But all food and drink are made of chemicals. Peanut butter is processed (even the "natural ones) is chemically constructed and I doubt it actually deters health unless one is allergic to peanuts.I think it comes down to an individual's goals. Are they losing weight as part of an overall plan to become healthier? Or, do they just want to look better and hope some health benefits come with dropping the weight?
For me, I want to live a long, healthy life. Avoiding the chemicals in processed foods is a part of the plan, in the same way that exercising daily, and getting to (and maintaining) a healthy weight are part of the plan.
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I am a student in the healthcare field, You are very correct, it is about what you eat, much more than just calorie intake. If you eat fast food the amount of sodium alone you would intake will put water weight on you, destroy your kidneys, and not to mention cause hypertension, swelling in joints, and eventually flat out kill you, even if you're perfect weight # on scale to your height, Skinny Fat exists, if you're 105lbs and 5'2" you may be skinny, but say your body fat % is 29% you are not healthy. You're skinny, but have little to no muscle tone. not to mention fast food is literally loaded with cholesterol enough to clog your arteries.
I think the way you went about giving them advice was fine, and they will someday end up with a heart attack or be just very sick in general, and they will have to wake up. Personally I learned some of this on my own the hard way. A lot of it I learned in school. From Doctors and Nurses who moonlight as instructors/professors, and medical books. But these types of people are self-destructive, and though you can lead a horse to water, you cannot force them to drink. so dont beat yourself up over it, because its not your fault. or your problem.0 -
I think it is relevant on a health site to try to find common ground. Don't you? Debating a definition clearly means that not everyone is on the same page yet.As someone said in another thread or words to this effect: Put on your big girl panties and eat your vegetables!
To that I would add another: Stop arguing over the minutiae of your particular definitions for common terms!0 -
But they go hand in hand in OVERALL health, no?Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
Is this a trick question? If you can't function emotionally in daily life, are you healthy?
Mental and physical health are two different things.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition0 -
Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
Oh man even if i manage all of them the last one is gonna sabotage me with all my mental issues lol. Frankly it boils down to eat what you want in moderation. You cant' trust what researchers or doctors say, they change their minds every time someone new waves a check under their noses to pay for the research.0 -
I totally agree and am proof that a low-carb diet works! I've already lost 3 lbs in three weeks....slow it goes...but that's cool with me. I'm on this diet not only to lose weight but also to feel better. My health is suffering due to extreme back problems and lack of exercise. So, I've started walking on a treadmill (daily) at a moderate pace so I won't hurt my back more than it already hurts and have made extreme changes in my eating habits. Oh, I definitely fall off the wagon into something sweet or with bread, but after I see the carbs listed on my chart, I jump right back on the wagon. Basically, it really depends on how much someone wants something. If you want to lose weight and get healthy bad enough, you WILL make the necessary changes.
See, but unless you have a medical condition most of the things listed as "bad" are unnecessary changes for health and fitness. Should one limit the amount of foods they consume? Yes, on all fronts. It's all about balance. Eating nothing BUT apples is not more healthy than eating nothing but pizza. There's this gray area in the middle that people seem to miss when making points.
I AM healthier. I AM in the best shape of my life. By being mindful of my nutrients I'm consuming while still fitting things in I enjoy I don't have to worry about "falling off the wagon", I'm walking instead.0 -
I think the real question here is 'are you all about the bass?'0
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Guess what Arnold Schwarzenegger drank and ate during his Mr. Olympia days...
It wasn't clean eating thats for sure. (Drank a lot of pop, hot dogs, etc)0 -
Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
Is this a trick question? If you can't function emotionally in daily life, are you healthy?
Mental and physical health are two different things.
I disagree. Mental health is a construct based on assigning the term "mental disorder" to specific symptoms we've historically had trouble defining or measuring. It is very much grounded in physical processes.
Depression has physical pain as a symptom.
Diabetes has a mood/emotional component.0 -
Do you realise how tied the mind and body actually are?Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
Is this a trick question? If you can't function emotionally in daily life, are you healthy?
Mental and physical health are two different things.0 -
OP, you clearly missed IIFYM 101 or you have no reading comprehension.
Either way...
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Yeah...I get it. I agree with you. I have to pay attention to all the macros, not just calories. If I focus on strictly calories in/calories out, I won't lose.
if you burn more than you consume....you will.
If it were that easy, I would be skinny. If that works for you, then that is excellent. I must be the exception to the rule. I have tried to lose weight every way imaginable (with the exception of surgery). I'm not saying I eat clean. I still eat some processed foods. I am just saying, I personally need to pay attention to the whole picture in order to be successful. Counting calories alone will sabotage me every time. I have learned this by trial and error. I am sorry if you don't believe me, but it is true.
so then you're not arguing against the fact that if one burns more than they consume, they will lose weight.
your issue is that you cant seem to keep your cals below your burn.
fair enough.
i thought you were saying that you were eating at a deficit and not losing weight.
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Guess what Arnold Schwarzenegger drank and ate during his Mr. Olympia days...
It wasn't clean eating thats for sure. (Drank a lot of pop, hot dogs, etc)
Also all those steriods.
I wouldn't hold him up as a model of health.0 -
Define "healthy."
Oooo. I'll do it.
Healthy body fat percentage.
Fit enough to perform well in daily life, walk a few blocks, up a couple of flights of stairs.
Strong enough to again, live life, be able to lift groceries and children, move small pieces of furniture, etc.
Low instances of illness
Lack of fatigue
Regular digestion
Moderate blood pressure
Acceptable blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels
Healthy positives moods the majority of the time
Able to function emotionally in daily life
So, if someone has depression and cannot function emotionally in daily life, they're unhealthy?
They can be physically healthy, but depression is a recognised mental illness, so they arent mentally as healthy as someone who has no depression all things being equal.0 -
Okay...someone is going to have to dumb this down for me, because I do not understand the backlash to the OP.
If someone asks me for suggestions because they are not losing weight...and I respond by saying "try to add more fruits and vegetables to your diet"...I would be wrong in telling them this?0 -
I totally agree and am proof that a low-carb diet works! I've already lost 3 lbs in three weeks....slow it goes...but that's cool with me. I'm on this diet not only to lose weight but also to feel better. My health is suffering due to extreme back problems and lack of exercise. So, I've started walking on a treadmill (daily) at a moderate pace so I won't hurt my back more than it already hurts and have made extreme changes in my eating habits. Oh, I definitely fall off the wagon into something sweet or with bread, but after I see the carbs listed on my chart, I jump right back on the wagon. Basically, it really depends on how much someone wants something. If you want to lose weight and get healthy bad enough, you WILL make the necessary changes.
What you just described is a classic calories in vs calories out scenario. You just choose to cut your calories through carbs. Other people cut their calories through other means and get the same results.0
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