When I eat 1200 cals I put on weight
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So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
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So in a deficit where is the body pulling the energy it needs to keep going?
So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
Indeed. I'm very curious here.
If intake is 1400. Utilization is 2200. Where is the difference coming from?0 -
So in a deficit where is the body pulling the energy it needs to keep going?
So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
That's actually a good question, when you put it that way it makes me ever more confused LOL
Anyway here's what I understood from reading about the excess insulin. CICO principle should always hold right? OK so when you ingest food your body release insulin (too much ), and although the insulin restores glycogen storage, its excess stimulates the liver to form fatty acids that are transported to adipose cells and stored as fat.
So I guess the answer is, the body used energy from food but the excess insulin promotes fat storage?
You can read more http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/obpa2whyobpe.html
The website wants to promote supplements so don't mind their products but they do cite research validating insulin role in obesity0 -
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LOL yeah I know not very trustworthy when they are trying to push their products. Here's a more legitimate one
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My question though.
It doesn't take a study to answer it. Care to take a stab?0 -
Are you referring to MrM27's q?0
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I do log everything that I eat and since I only drink water all day and 1/2 cup of orange juice before going to bed, my food diary is pretty simple. However, I do measure everything - whether it's a half of a peach or 12 pistachios, I'll log it in. My daily calories range between 500 - 700 net. I know that's way below the 1380 recommended, but I find that when the food is lean protein and fresh veggies, I'm am full a lot faster and for longer periods. You stated that exercise is not possible right now, but I read something about 3500 calories per week that are not burned off will cause one (1) pound of weight gain. Maybe the 1200 calories per day (8400 per week) and no exercise is the culprit and not you. Ask your doctor what "cardio" exercises are safe for you to do and perhaps cut our calories by 500 per day and see if after one week if there is any difference. But no matter what, just don't give up!-5
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willettamie wrote: »I do log everything that I eat and since I only drink water all day and 1/2 cup of orange juice before going to bed, my food diary is pretty simple. However, I do measure everything - whether it's a half of a peach or 12 pistachios, I'll log it in. My daily calories range between 500 - 700 net. I know that's way below the 1380 recommended, but I find that when the food is lean protein and fresh veggies, I'm am full a lot faster and for longer periods. You stated that exercise is not possible right now, but I read something about 3500 calories per week that are not burned off will cause one (1) pound of weight gain. Maybe the 1200 calories per day (8400 per week) and no exercise is the culprit and not you. Ask your doctor what "cardio" exercises are safe for you to do and perhaps cut our calories by 500 per day and see if after one week if there is any difference. But no matter what, just don't give up!
What on earth are you on about ? 1200 is the absolute bare minimum suggested by both Mfp and most doctors, without taking any exercise into consideration. Stop giving irresponsible 'advice'.
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willettamie wrote: »I do log everything that I eat and since I only drink water all day and 1/2 cup of orange juice before going to bed, my food diary is pretty simple. However, I do measure everything - whether it's a half of a peach or 12 pistachios, I'll log it in. My daily calories range between 500 - 700 net. I know that's way below the 1380 recommended, but I find that when the food is lean protein and fresh veggies, I'm am full a lot faster and for longer periods. You stated that exercise is not possible right now, but I read something about 3500 calories per week that are not burned off will cause one (1) pound of weight gain. Maybe the 1200 calories per day (8400 per week) and no exercise is the culprit and not you. Ask your doctor what "cardio" exercises are safe for you to do and perhaps cut our calories by 500 per day and see if after one week if there is any difference. But no matter what, just don't give up!
you FEEL full a lot faster after an extended period of not eating much. that doesnt mean you are. nor does it mean your body is properly fueled.
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willettamie wrote: »Maybe the 1200 calories per day (8400 per week) and no exercise is the culprit and not you. Ask your doctor what "cardio" exercises are safe for you to do and perhaps cut our calories by 500 per day and see if after one week if there is any difference.
Please do not listen to this, it's complete bobbins.
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So, according to you the body stores fat while it is starving? How can energy be stored when energy is not available? How did anyone in the history of mankind ever starve to death? And were their starving bodies fat?
Because science is all made up by the man, amirite?
If you eat very little for a long time, you will cause metabolic damage. Go talk to a doctor and a nutritionist.
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Thanks. :-)LosinMama1966 wrote: »
Um ...vinegar_husbands wrote: »thin2win777 wrote: »even if you're miscalculating, I doubt it's by half. have thyroid checked ever? report tsh #s back here if so!
EUGH. NO. NO. NO.
You are making a mockery of people with actual thyroid problems. Thyroid problems only make you gain a little bit of water weight, and that's it. Fat people need to stop using it as an excuse. Just come to terms with the fact that you overate and didn't exercise enough. That has nothing to do with your thyroid.
I have gained THIRTY-SIX POUNDS because of thyroid issues. I have Hashimoto's. Are you actually telling me that it is all water weight?
And I gained those THIRTY-SIX POUNDS weighing and measuring everything, eating 1,000-1,500 calories a day AND exercising regularly. This is after being thin almost my entire life, then gaining some weight, losing it and keeping it off for two full years.
Am I making a mockery of people with thyroid issues or do I get a pass because I actually have one myself?
she WAS on my friends list...notice I said WAS! She's also 18 and has NO clue...
And I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with this rml_16.
I wasn't looking for sympathy, but that was such an ignorant thing to say. lol
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I only know enough about thyroid (as opposed to the others) to comment, but from experience, it IS possible to lose weight with untreated hypothyroidism. There is a point where you are eating less than you burn. In my case, that was between 500 and 700 calories a day (along with exercise). More than that and I maintained or gained weight.
So in a deficit where is the body pulling the energy it needs to keep going?
So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
That's actually a good question, when you put it that way it makes me ever more confused LOL
Anyway here's what I understood from reading about the excess insulin. CICO principle should always hold right? OK so when you ingest food your body release insulin (too much ), and although the insulin restores glycogen storage, its excess stimulates the liver to form fatty acids that are transported to adipose cells and stored as fat.
So I guess the answer is, the body used energy from food but the excess insulin promotes fat storage?
You can read more http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/obpa2whyobpe.html
The website wants to promote supplements so don't mind their products but they do cite research validating insulin role in obesity
It isn't sustainable and therefore, it's pretty much impossible to lose weight with hypothyroid (untreated).
I've also come to know that PCPs and GPs are terrible about properly diagnosing it and they miss a LOT of signs. You can have a "normal" TSH and still be hypothyroid. Anyone who is truly eating 1,200 calories a day (properly tracking) and gaining weight really does need to see an endocrinologist.
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I saw someone said that if you are under 5 foot you might have to eat differently. I am 4'10 and right around 130 pounds, do any of you know how much I should eat? Most calculators online just go with the general 1200 calories, and other ones say I should eat 500-700 calories to lose weight. I'm not quite perfect with my logging or my estimates. So I try to eat short of 1100 to allow for my mistakes. Any advice?0
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If this post isn't trashed and removed as offensive and abusive....willettamie wrote: »I do log everything that I eat and since I only drink water all day and 1/2 cup of orange juice before going to bed, my food diary is pretty simple. However, I do measure everything - whether it's a half of a peach or 12 pistachios, I'll log it in. My daily calories range between 500 - 700 net. I know that's way below the 1380 recommended, but I find that when the food is lean protein and fresh veggies, I'm am full a lot faster and for longer periods. You stated that exercise is not possible right now, but I read something about 3500 calories per week that are not burned off will cause one (1) pound of weight gain. Maybe the 1200 calories per day (8400 per week) and no exercise is the culprit and not you. Ask your doctor what "cardio" exercises are safe for you to do and perhaps cut our calories by 500 per day and see if after one week if there is any difference. But no matter what, just don't give up!
I guess all normal rules are out the window since the forum change over.
Used to be it was against the rules to promote VLCDs and other dangerous approaches.
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mrihel6615 wrote: »I saw someone said that if you are under 5 foot you might have to eat differently. I am 4'10 and right around 130 pounds, do any of you know how much I should eat? Most calculators online just go with the general 1200 calories, and other ones say I should eat 500-700 calories to lose weight. I'm not quite perfect with my logging or my estimates. So I try to eat short of 1100 to allow for my mistakes. Any advice?
Yeah, do some research and make some rational choices.
The calculator says you should eat 500-700 calories because you're giving it bad input. Eh. Go talk to an RD.0 -
Um ...vinegar_husbands wrote: »thin2win777 wrote: »even if you're miscalculating, I doubt it's by half. have thyroid checked ever? report tsh #s back here if so!
EUGH. NO. NO. NO.
You are making a mockery of people with actual thyroid problems. Thyroid problems only make you gain a little bit of water weight, and that's it. Fat people need to stop using it as an excuse. Just come to terms with the fact that you overate and didn't exercise enough. That has nothing to do with your thyroid.
I have gained THIRTY-SIX POUNDS because of thyroid issues. I have Hashimoto's. Are you actually telling me that it is all water weight?
And I gained those THIRTY-SIX POUNDS weighing and measuring everything, eating 1,000-1,500 calories a day AND exercising regularly. This is after being thin almost my entire life, then gaining some weight, losing it and keeping it off for two full years.
Am I making a mockery of people with thyroid issues or do I get a pass because I actually have one myself?
Yeah, thank you!
To call people "rude" with personal and/or medical experience with thyroid issues is asinine. I gained right around the same, 30-40 lbs. "Post #s": meaning, if TSH is up there, 5,6,7,8, 9, 10, whatever, that person WILL HAVE A PROBLEM LOSING WEIGHT. It's science. Mockery? I've had a busted thyroid for many years and have treated others with parallel or similar conditions. I know how it works. OP should also opt for endocrinologist over PCP, if possible.
It shouldn't be used as an excuse to those that owe their poor habits the credit of the gain, but certain (many) endocrine issues have direct correlation with metabolism & weight, amongst many other areas.0 -
I only know enough about thyroid (as opposed to the others) to comment, but from experience, it IS possible to lose weight with untreated hypothyroidism. There is a point where you are eating less than you burn. In my case, that was between 500 and 700 calories a day (along with exercise). More than that and I maintained or gained weight.
So in a deficit where is the body pulling the energy it needs to keep going?
So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
That's actually a good question, when you put it that way it makes me ever more confused LOL
Anyway here's what I understood from reading about the excess insulin. CICO principle should always hold right? OK so when you ingest food your body release insulin (too much ), and although the insulin restores glycogen storage, its excess stimulates the liver to form fatty acids that are transported to adipose cells and stored as fat.
So I guess the answer is, the body used energy from food but the excess insulin promotes fat storage?
You can read more http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/obpa2whyobpe.html
The website wants to promote supplements so don't mind their products but they do cite research validating insulin role in obesity
It isn't sustainable and therefore, it's pretty much impossible to lose weight with hypothyroid (untreated).
I've also come to know that PCPs and GPs are terrible about properly diagnosing it and they miss a LOT of signs. You can have a "normal" TSH and still be hypothyroid. Anyone who is truly eating 1,200 calories a day (properly tracking) and gaining weight really does need to see an endocrinologist.
This is the thing. It isn't possible to lose. Theoretically, sure! Theoretically, you could eat 500 calories a day and lose weight. But that comes with it's own set of problems. Like being hungry, weak and dizzy.
Plus, the hypo state also increases your body's desire for energy, so all the time you're trying so hard to eat less, it's screaming for more.
No energy, can't poop, hair falling out and weight piling on. You're staying to eat 700 calories a day and exercise, lol. Nobody can do that.
It just isn't possible. If the problem is bad enough, you are just going to gain and that's that.
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All these people telling you you're not logging correctly...BUT even if you're off, you should NOT put on weight when you are restricting yourself that much.Your TDEE would be well above 1700 cals considering your stats and there's no way in hell that you're eating at a surplus of 1000 calories everyday,which is needed to gain a kilogram in a week.
Hell,you don't even need to consider the calorie count.If you are constantly eating less than your natural desire,you should atleast not GAIN further.Unless you are eating foods with very high calorie density,which you presumably aren't.
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Have we ever even established how much weight the OP supposedly put on and in what time frame?0
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When did this become a full blown discussion about hypothyroidism. Brb, all things revolve around that because I guess more people have it than don't.All these people telling you you're not logging correctly...BUT even if you're off, you should NOT put on weight when you are restricting yourself that much.Your TDEE would be well above 1700 cals considering your stats and there's no way in hell that you're eating at a surplus of 1000 calories everyday,which is needed to gain a kilogram in a week.
Hell,you don't even need to consider the calorie count.If you are constantly eating less than your natural desire,you should atleast not GAIN further.Unless you are eating foods with very high calorie density,which you presumably aren't.
I think you definitely need medical advice.
Back at doctors today, even though I went yesterday, I had 20min slot today so could talk things in more detail. Basically what the doctor thinks is happening is my cyst in the pituitary gland is knocking my thyroid about. I had a scan last year and these issues weren't present then, so she's leaning towards the cyst effecting me. I gained the weight due to pregnancy, unfortunately I lost my baby, due to preemlasica (sp?) and my sticky blood issue. Still now over sure of exactly what type of sticky blood I've got, or exactly how the cyst is behaving. But off for more tests, and hopefully I can get treated.
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I wasn't saying people SHOULD do it. I was pointing out there IS a point where you CAN lose. But, like you said, it's nearly impossible to sustain it.
I only know enough about thyroid (as opposed to the others) to comment, but from experience, it IS possible to lose weight with untreated hypothyroidism. There is a point where you are eating less than you burn. In my case, that was between 500 and 700 calories a day (along with exercise). More than that and I maintained or gained weight.
So in a deficit where is the body pulling the energy it needs to keep going?
So if you have hypothyroidism or PCOS, you get treated and you eat in a caloric deficit you will still gain weight?
No, if you get treated and the blood tests shows the thyroid functioning at a normal level that pretty much puts you on par with someone who does not have hypothyroidism. PCOS and insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated
The point is, if someone has any of the conditions above but they are not aware and use numbers from online calculators to get their BMR and TDEE they may not lose weight. Their calculated numbers are higher than the actual BMR (due to the medical issues) therefore they are not eating in a deficit
So if the number calculated is actually lower than their true BMR if that person eats at an actual deficit, will they gain weight?
In theory they are not supposed to, and if it happens its probably not from the thyroid issue. Like I said PCOS and hyperinsulinemia are more complicated. How the body responds to sugar levels (in blood) in these conditions is very different from a healthy person. The body produces way more insulin that it should in response to the amount of food you ingest. The body's affinity to store fat is also increased, and the resistance to release fat storage also increases. I believe that is the reason some doctors advocate low carb and low glycimic index diets. Personally what worked for me was weight training and medication (Metformin).
That's actually a good question, when you put it that way it makes me ever more confused LOL
Anyway here's what I understood from reading about the excess insulin. CICO principle should always hold right? OK so when you ingest food your body release insulin (too much ), and although the insulin restores glycogen storage, its excess stimulates the liver to form fatty acids that are transported to adipose cells and stored as fat.
So I guess the answer is, the body used energy from food but the excess insulin promotes fat storage?
You can read more http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/obpa2whyobpe.html
The website wants to promote supplements so don't mind their products but they do cite research validating insulin role in obesity
It isn't sustainable and therefore, it's pretty much impossible to lose weight with hypothyroid (untreated).
I've also come to know that PCPs and GPs are terrible about properly diagnosing it and they miss a LOT of signs. You can have a "normal" TSH and still be hypothyroid. Anyone who is truly eating 1,200 calories a day (properly tracking) and gaining weight really does need to see an endocrinologist.
This is the thing. It isn't possible to lose. Theoretically, sure! Theoretically, you could eat 500 calories a day and lose weight. But that comes with it's own set of problems. Like being hungry, weak and dizzy.
Plus, the hypo state also increases your body's desire for energy, so all the time you're trying so hard to eat less, it's screaming for more.
No energy, can't poop, hair falling out and weight piling on. You're staying to eat 700 calories a day and exercise, lol. Nobody can do that.
It just isn't possible. If the problem is bad enough, you are just going to gain and that's that.
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Certainly, more people have it than know they have it.When did this become a full blown discussion about hypothyroidism. Brb, all things revolve around that because I guess more people have it than don't.
Way back earlier in the thread, I suggested it as a possibility assuming the OP was actually being honest in her logging and recommended she make sure of that first.
But if she is truly gaining on 1,200 she probably has a medical issue. I went five years without a diagnosis, not because I didn't have almost every symptom or because my TSH wasn't high, but because my doctor is apparently an idiot. I finally saw an endo last week and she was appalled that I hadn't been diagnosed and treated a long time ago. I was told lab results were normal when they weren't and that I DIDN'T have hypo because symptoms that I now know are symptoms of hypo "couldn't be symptoms of hypo." I listened to my doctor when I should have demanded a referral. So five years later I'm up nearly 40 pounds. If I'd been treated them, I wouldn't be up nearly 40 pounds.
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I think in the UK a 'packet' is any container (or possibly just a bag). Like, a 'packet of crisps' is a bag of chips, but a 'packet of biscuits' is a box of cookies. So I'm thinking she meant prepackaged food.
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So I've just come to this thread so do I have it correct
The Op is not losing weight her diary is inaccurate which can be seen by the half filled days and the use of generic entries and randomness of some of the amounts. Even though the logging is inaccurate she must have a medical condition and be defying science because it cannot be as simple as she's eating far more than she thinks because it always comes down to a medical condition not the simplest and most logical reason people are eating more than they expend. Is that about it then?
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