Ebola is freaking me out!!
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Freaks me too. You are not alone. Every patient they bring back to America from overseas has made their first stop for a plane refuel in my city. Less than a mile from my house. And, of course, the media has to be right there when it does stop. Nobody is supposedly getting off these planes but the door is always open.0
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i work 10 minutes from akron ohio...how do you think i feel today0
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EMTFreakGirl wrote: »I am a prehospital provider and it scares me. Ebola has actually been an admittedly irrational fear since I read The Hot Zone some 20 years ago. I spend a good part of my day covered in some kind of body fluid from strangers. Add to that the fact that my small little town in rural NW Montana has a YWAM base...a place to train and support missionaries to/from all over the world. AND, one of our regional hospitals is set up as one of the 5 in the country with appropriate isolation suites to handle Ebola patients. That next sick call or flu-like symptoms call I run, which used to be routine, will have me reaching for a full-on hazmat suit. The more the press tells me not to worry? THE MORE I WORRY!
Wow, now there is something to worry about. Please be careful. Was it ever noted how the nurse in Dallas was infected?
The nurse in Dallas was infected because she was one of the workers who cared for Mr. Duncan when he FIRST went to the hospital and told them he had been in Liberia. They knew he was there and they knew of the Ebola outbreak, yet they still sent him home with antibiotics. They did not follow protocol or take necessary precautions. Obviously the infected health care workers were not wearing protective gear when Mr. Duncan first went to the hospital (he was most contagious at this time) which is how they contracted Ebola.0 -
and what kind of crap chocolate are you guys eating? All my stuff is straight single bean varietals hand picked in central america.
You forgot to mention that those who handpick those pods are all wearing silk gloves . They also don't eat any onions and garlic so the pods are not contaminated by foul breath and of course they only bathe in the first dew of the new moon and only if the dew is harvested by virgin unicorns.....:o).
You probably have no idea what is going on in the chocolate industry......child labor, fraud, mis-information which leads to mislabelling....just to start the list.
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Freaks me too. You are not alone. Every patient they bring back to America from overseas has made their first stop for a plane refuel in my city. Less than a mile from my house. And, of course, the media has to be right there when it does stop. Nobody is supposedly getting off these planes but the door is always open.
Unless you are coming in direct contact with bodily fluids of an infected person, i.e. blood, saliva, vomit, urine, feces, semen, etc., you have nothing to worry about.0 -
@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.0 -
EMTFreakGirl wrote: »I am a prehospital provider and it scares me. Ebola has actually been an admittedly irrational fear since I read The Hot Zone some 20 years ago. I spend a good part of my day covered in some kind of body fluid from strangers. Add to that the fact that my small little town in rural NW Montana has a YWAM base...a place to train and support missionaries to/from all over the world. AND, one of our regional hospitals is set up as one of the 5 in the country with appropriate isolation suites to handle Ebola patients. That next sick call or flu-like symptoms call I run, which used to be routine, will have me reaching for a full-on hazmat suit. The more the press tells me not to worry? THE MORE I WORRY!
Wow, now there is something to worry about. Please be careful. Was it ever noted how the nurse in Dallas was infected?
I'm not sure if anyone already answered this. I didn't read the article myself, but my boss told me that she read that while the hospital is saying they followed protocol, that may not be entirely accurate. Apparently, the health care workers weren't properly outfitted the first few days they were treating him (ie, flimsy suits, gloves not secured to suits allowing for skin exposure, etc.). That would definitely do it.
It's one of those things where it's in the back of my mind but I'm not letting it stress me out. I'm more worried about the respiratory virus that's infecting children. I have a 2 year old son and my brother passed away when he was 6 wks old from pneumonia so I take childhood illnesses very seriously.
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I'm already bunkered down in my prepper shelter which I can't disclose the location of. 8)0
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CDC blaming the nurse in Dallas is pure BS... they are not prepared for this 3rd world *kitten* here is the US...for God's sake.. you have to BEG people to immunize their children here....Infection Control measures really need to be kicked up a notch...sit on a bus or plane next to a friendly person..chatting it up...and find out 3 days later you're quarantined.......hmmmm0
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i find it funny that these 2 statements were made in the same paragraphtherocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
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therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
The "sneezing or coughing and inhaling those droplets" - that is the definition of an airborne virus. I don't need to do any new research, as my years as a respiratory therapist will do me just fine, thank you very much. You are fearmongering with your misinformation. Droplet virus can only be spread by direct contact with the virus, as with skin contact with the bodily fluids.
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I think the CDC is now online answering questions and putting minds to rest...............0
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CDC blaming the nurse in Dallas is pure BS... they are not prepared for this 3rd world *kitten* here is the US...for God's sake.. you have to BEG people to immunize their children here....Infection Control measures really need to be kicked up a notch...sit on a bus or plane next to a friendly person..chatting it up...and find out 3 days later you're quarantined.......hmmmm
she wasnt properly trained, may not have been her fault specifically but at least her supervisor or whatever. she shouldve been trained to follow protocol in these situations, and if not then she shouldnt have been working there.
you have to realize that there is only so much that can be done, and even if we do everything we'll end up weakening the human immune system over the years to the point where one nasty airborne virus is going to come along and wipe us all out. look at the immune system of our ou natural primate relatives compared to us and i think the difference that letting nature handle virus's is the best way to go0 -
For those who actually want to do their own research on ebola (I suggest you do) you can find a wide variety of ebola research studies and papers on Flutrackers.com. The language is not that hard to understand but it does take effort to read.
However, I would suggest if you have not studied ebola at all and are simply relying on the media to give you information, maybe you should not attack others with differing views just because you do not like it. Read for yourself and you might be surprised. Just a suggestion. Have a great day everyone.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Freaks me too. You are not alone. Every patient they bring back to America from overseas has made their first stop for a plane refuel in my city. Less than a mile from my house. And, of course, the media has to be right there when it does stop. Nobody is supposedly getting off these planes but the door is always open.
Unless you are coming in direct contact with bodily fluids of an infected person, i.e. blood, saliva, vomit, urine, feces, semen, etc., you have nothing to worry about.
Someone though from that plane either got on or off then the reverse which means someone in my city may have had contact. Clearly the door is open and someone getting on the plane in this article. http://bangordailynews.com/slideshow/plane-carrying-second-ebola-patient-lands-at-bangor-airport-to-refuel/?ref=search0 -
Right now there is a group of soccer moms who are blaming gluten for ebola.0
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therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
The "sneezing or coughing and inhaling those droplets" - that is the definition of an airborne virus. I don't need to do any new research, as my years as a respiratory therapist will do me just fine, thank you very much. You are fearmongering with your misinformation. Droplet virus can only be spread by direct contact with the virus, as with skin contact with the bodily fluids.
Actually I did read that there was a difference. I think what that dude was trying to say with the droplets is called aerosol. The virus ca n travel in droplets spread via aerosol (coughing, sneezing) and they can stay suspended for a time. Airborne is when they can travel on dust particles in the air. I don't know how true that is but it's something I read somewhere, someone feel free to correct me.
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therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
The "sneezing or coughing and inhaling those droplets" - that is the definition of an airborne virus. I don't need to do any new research, as my years as a respiratory therapist will do me just fine, thank you very much. You are fearmongering with your misinformation. Droplet virus can only be spread by direct contact with the virus, as with skin contact with the bodily fluids.
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"Ebola has been detected in blood and many body fluids. Body fluids include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen"
"Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease."
"Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone’s eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion."
" Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature."
Maybe you should do some "new" research. I'm just "fear-mongering" though, straight from the CDC's website.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html0 -
therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
The "sneezing or coughing and inhaling those droplets" - that is the definition of an airborne virus. I don't need to do any new research, as my years as a respiratory therapist will do me just fine, thank you very much. You are fearmongering with your misinformation. Droplet virus can only be spread by direct contact with the virus, as with skin contact with the bodily fluids.
Actually I did read that there was a difference. I think what that dude was trying to say with the droplets is called aerosol. The virus ca n travel in droplets spread via aerosol (coughing, sneezing) and they can stay suspended for a time. Airborne is when they can travel on dust particles in the air. I don't know how true that is but it's something I read somewhere, someone feel free to correct me.
You are correct. Airborne transmission and aerosol transmission are two different things.
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therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
Except you know, for the part where you're wrong.0 -
Ebola is mythical.0
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headofphat wrote: »Ebola is mythical.
It's literally the unicorn of diseases.0 -
therocpile wrote: »@therocpile. you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Ebola is NOT airborne to any degree. It is only spread by body fluids such as blood, sweat, saliva, urine and feces. Actual contact with those fluids has to be made in order to transmit the disease. Those numbers you are sharing are not numbers for the US, they are for Africa, and only if current infection rates continue. (worst case scenario) Medical workers are not being infected through bio-hazard gear. they are being infected by not initiating protocols soon enough. Medical workers following protocols in Africa have not become infected.
This is not misinformation at all, You can do your own research like I said. In medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an "airborne virus". I am using the word "airborne" as a layman term. Ebola is drop-let borne. You just said it yourself "It's only spread by via body fluids" - If someone sneezes or coughs and you breathe the same air as them, you can get infected. If you think those numbers only pertain to Africa, you are sadly mistaken and ignorant. Everything I said can be backed up, do your own research.
Except you know, for the part where you're wrong.
Feel free to correct me. Let's hear it!
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Freaks me too. You are not alone. Every patient they bring back to America from overseas has made their first stop for a plane refuel in my city. Less than a mile from my house. And, of course, the media has to be right there when it does stop. Nobody is supposedly getting off these planes but the door is always open.
Unless you are coming in direct contact with bodily fluids of an infected person, i.e. blood, saliva, vomit, urine, feces, semen, etc., you have nothing to worry about.
Someone though from that plane either got on or off then the reverse which means someone in my city may have had contact. Clearly the door is open and someone getting on the plane in this article. http://bangordailynews.com/slideshow/plane-carrying-second-ebola-patient-lands-at-bangor-airport-to-refuel/?ref=search
Don't believe everything you read from the media. The media is trying to get people in a panic. You are falling for the trap. You have a higher risk of dying from the flu this season then you do from Ebola- just saying.0 -
you have to realize that there is only so much that can be done, and even if we do everything we'll end up weakening the human immune system over the years to the point where one nasty airborne virus is going to come along and wipe us all out. look at the immune system of our ou natural primate relatives compared to us and i think the difference that letting nature handle virus's is the best way to go
Unless you are immune compromised, then our immune system is still working fine. A vaccination (the most likely medical intervention for a virus like Ebola) works by priming our existing immune system. It doesn't weaken anything.
Primates, while close to us, are not us. "Effective" viruses generally don't kill their usual host outright. Look at SIV, a possible precursor to HIV: it is thought to have infected primates for more than 30,000 years and is non-pathogenic in primates. It has evolved to infect and be transmitted while NOT killing the host. It's often only when (through rare events) such viruses cross species that they can become pathogenic. Basically, due to small differences between us and primates, the mechanisms that allow the virus to be non-fatal in apes makes it fatal to us.
If there is an airborne virus that wipes us out, it will probably be a strain of flu!
Of course, if we let nature have her way completely, millions if not billions of people could die from such a pandemic. But I guess the ones that survive will be immune to that virus...0 -
I'm here because somebody said there'd be chocolate. If I don't get chocolate, then you will truly have cause to fear. I will also take coffee or money with which I can buy chocolate.0
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