Wheat Belly- Book
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »
Seriously??? WELCOME to AMERICA!I haven't read it but it is just a variation of a Paleo diet. I just finished Go Wild, by John J. Ratey and really enjoyed it for the most part.
Despite the disbelief and negative comments on here, if you use MFP you can see exactly the point paleo is trying to make. Log for a while and look at the things that are high calorie. Low and behold, wheat, corn, rice -- especially in highly processed forms -- are really high in calories. Fried foods, too. Oh look, and sugar laden processed foods and drinks, too.
If you cut these things out, you will lose weight and be healthier. Yes, there is more to nutrition than calories. Some foods have more nutrition in them than others. Some foods spike your insulin levels more than others. This is bad for you.
I think if you really use MFP and log, and you cut down or eliminate the crazy high calorie things...all of the sudden you are doing some version of what was recommended in Wheat Belly.
And if you just try to eat a low calorie version of the SAD (Standard American Diet), you are destined to failure. The crazy carbs, sugar levels, and calories of the SAD diet make it impossible to just eat less of.
Now I will say, one thing bugs me with paleo. Some people use it as an excuse to eat only meat and piles of it. This isn't healthy, either. But with some balance, it is probably your best chance of long lasting results.
And if you read between the lines here, I have recommended what you have probably heard about dieting your whole life: Cut out fried foods, breads, heavily processed foods, and sugar-laden drinks, etc., etc.
Again. Log on MFP and see the crazy calories of the above items and you come up with some variation of paleo. The paleo diets and MFP should meet in the middle somewhere if you are doing it right.
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Don't forget> Outside of a metabolic disorder.
We have teens getting Type II diabetes. Metabolic disorders, exactly this. Heart disease, cancer, etc., all metabolic disorders. Alzheimer's equals Type III diabetes.
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OP, if you REALLY want to learn something about Nutrition, take a class. Community colleges have cheap classes. They have basic Anatomy classes for non-Science majors and they have Nutrition. If you can't afford a class, go to a library, pick up an up-to-date textbook and read.
All this arguing over something a diet/fitness guru said...it's silly.
Whole grains are part of a healthy diet. I will not be posting links or studies to support it. If you want proof, go study the subject.
All over MFP, I read how I'm destined to fail. If you cut out junk food? Destined to fail. If you eat a lot of sugar? Destined to fail. Average 1200 calories? Destined to fail.I haven't read it but it is just a variation of a Paleo diet. I just finished Go Wild, by John J. Ratey and really enjoyed it for the most part.
Despite the disbelief and negative comments on here, if you use MFP you can see exactly the point paleo is trying to make. Log for a while and look at the things that are high calorie. Low and behold, wheat, corn, rice -- especially in highly processed forms -- are really high in calories. Fried foods, too. Oh look, and sugar laden processed foods and drinks, too.
If you cut these things out, you will lose weight and be healthier. Yes, there is more to nutrition than calories. Some foods have more nutrition in them than others. Some foods spike your insulin levels more than others. This is bad for you.
I think if you really use MFP and log, and you cut down or eliminate the crazy high calorie things...all of the sudden you are doing some version of what was recommended in Wheat Belly.
And if you just try to eat a low calorie version of the SAD (Standard American Diet), you are destined to failure. The crazy carbs, sugar levels, and calories of the SAD diet make it impossible to just eat less of.
Now I will say, one thing bugs me with paleo. Some people use it as an excuse to eat only meat and piles of it. This isn't healthy, either. But with some balance, it is probably your best chance of long lasting results.
And if you read between the lines here, I have recommended what you have probably heard about dieting your whole life: Cut out fried foods, breads, heavily processed foods, and sugar-laden drinks, etc., etc.
Again. Log on MFP and see the crazy calories of the above items and you come up with some variation of paleo. The paleo diets and MFP should meet in the middle somewhere if you are doing it right.
I keep reading about how I'm destined to fail.
And I keep losing.
The Paleo thing pisses me off because the guy used to say it was going to cure your cancer and schizophrenia. He's backed off on the cancer thing, it seems, but continues to suggest it will fix schizophrenics. He's a sleazeball and I wouldn't trust anything he said, ever.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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(I'm just here to say that I'm going to stop complaining about my 1/4 tiny profile pic. I just realized that others have it worse than I do.)0
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »(I'm just here to say that I'm going to stop complaining about my 1/4 tiny profile pic. I just realized that others have it worse than I do.)
I kept trying to rub it off my screen. Nope. Not dust.
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> Outside of a metabolic disorder.
We have teens getting Type II diabetes. Metabolic disorders, exactly this. Heart disease, cancer, etc., all metabolic disorders. Alzheimer's equals Type III diabetes.
false. Alzheimer's is a neuro degenerative disorder chracterized by dementia. It has nothing to do with diabetes. Your statement is invalid. #science0 -
Actually there was an article in the news the other day positing a connection between the two - perhaps that is what jay8anks was referring to?0
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Actually there was an article in the news the other day positing a connection between the two - perhaps that is what jay8anks was referring to?
Type II diabetes is a risk factor in developing Alzheimers but it is not a type of diabetes. thats what I am saying. I am saying they are two separate medical conditions. Just like being overweight is a risk factor in developing Type II diabetes does not mean Overweight is a type of diabetes.0 -
> What about all of the fit, healthy people on this site who are successful at losing and maintaining weight on the "SAD" diet?
Exception to every rule. I will say that exercise gives you some leeway with diet and health. That people are eating SAD in America and are "healthy" is debatable.
Read Dan Buettner's Blue Zones. Blue Zones are areas with an abnormally high number of people over age 100. Very few of them eat like Americans, though some do eat some corn and wheat (in smaller amounts).
It is not just genetics, either. Research shows that if they moved to areas with poor diets, then they start getting the same diseases as the area they moved into.
Also, look very carefully at people who used diet to heal themselves of disease.
Example: Dr. Terry Wahls's. She was in a wheelchair from MS. She used a Paleo-like diet and now runs. You can read about it in her book, The Wahl's Protocol.
If the SAD diet is so healthy, why does nobody cure themselves from disease...by *** going on it *** ?0 -
I'm curious how many people who are bashing the book have ever really used themselves as a human experiment to see how wheat (or other types of food) affects them. I myself cut out wheat and dairy and my performance in the gym went through the roof! My increased endurance and performance could not be denied. Come to think of it, my caloric intake actually DECREASED too. I wonder how that flies in the face of science.
People can cherry-pick things apart whether they are for something or against something and then they throw the world "science" into it. Newsflash...science is never 100% fact or concrete. How many times has science been wrong? Just because some study says this or that doesn't mean it's true. Real world application trumps any theory or study that isn't based on the real world.
Oh well. Those who love their wheat but can't seem to shake the last 5-10 pounds and blame it on eating an extra 100 calories or something else can continue to eat it. I'll be kicking *kitten* in the gym, getting leaner, and outperforming my previous PRs like I'm on the juice without wheat (and dairy).0 -
> What about all of the fit, healthy people on this site who are successful at losing and maintaining weight on the "SAD" diet?
Exception to every rule. I will say that exercise gives you some leeway with diet and health. That people are eating SAD in America and are "healthy" is debatable.
Read Dan Buettner's Blue Zones. Blue Zones are areas with an abnormally high number of people over age 100. Very few of them eat like Americans, though some do eat some corn and wheat (in smaller amounts).
It is not just genetics, either. Research shows that if they moved to areas with poor diets, then they start getting the same diseases as the area they moved into.
Also, look very carefully at people who used diet to heal themselves of disease.
Example: Dr. Terry Wahls's. She was in a wheelchair from MS. She used a Paleo-like diet and now runs. You can read about it in her book, The Wahl's Protocol.
If the SAD diet is so healthy, why does nobody cure themselves from disease...by *** going on it *** ?
So a bunch of snowflakes exist on MFP? WHO KNEW!
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> What about all of the fit, healthy people on this site who are successful at losing and maintaining weight on the "SAD" diet?
Exception to every rule. I will say that exercise gives you some leeway with diet and health. That people are eating SAD in America and are "healthy" is debatable.
Read Dan Buettner's Blue Zones. Blue Zones are areas with an abnormally high number of people over age 100. Very few of them eat like Americans, though some do eat some corn and wheat (in smaller amounts).
It is not just genetics, either. Research shows that if they moved to areas with poor diets, then they start getting the same diseases as the area they moved into.
Also, look very carefully at people who used diet to heal themselves of disease.
Example: Dr. Terry Wahls's. She was in a wheelchair from MS. She used a Paleo-like diet and now runs. You can read about it in her book, The Wahl's Protocol.
If the SAD diet is so healthy, why does nobody cure themselves from disease...by *** going on it *** ?[/quote]
Because diet in itself will not cure most diseases. It may help with some but definitly not most and not oftne not cure. Most diseases require help from that fancy thing called #science0 -
@s_pekz - There is a theory that the underlying cause of AD stems from the brain losing the ability to metabolize glucose properly. Thus the term "Diabetes Type III" I don't know if it is real science, but there may be some truth behind it. Check out this article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/0 -
TrailRunnermn wrote: »I'm curious how many people who are bashing the book have ever really used themselves as a human experiment to see how wheat (or other types of food) affects them. I myself cut out wheat and dairy and my performance in the gym went through the roof! My increased endurance and performance could not be denied. Come to think of it, my caloric intake actually DECREASED too. I wonder how that flies in the face of science.
People can cherry-pick things apart whether they are for something or against something and then they throw the world "science" into it. Newsflash...science is never 100% fact or concrete. How many times has science been wrong? Just because some study says this or that doesn't mean it's true. Real world application trumps any theory or study that isn't based on the real world.
Oh well. Those who love their wheat but can't seem to shake the last 5-10 pounds and blame it on eating an extra 100 calories or something else can continue to eat it. I'll be kicking *kitten* in the gym, getting leaner, and outperforming my previous PRs like I'm on the juice without wheat (and dairy).
I'm glad it's working out for you, but it proves nothing. You have counterparts in every camp. There will always be people having success on some specific regimen, but without a controlled large scale experiment, there's no way of telling if your success or anyone else's success was due to the particular diet change they think is responsible, or if it's something else. I'm not saying you're wrong, only that isolated cases like yours prove nothing.
As for "science," I agree. It gets overused on this forum, sometimes by people who have carefully studied issues, and other times by people who don't have a clue. It's the latter group that uses the word to try to trump disagreements.
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@s_pekz - There is a theory that the underlying cause of AD stems from the brain losing the ability to metabolize glucose properly. Thus the term "Diabetes Type III" I don't know if it is real science, but there may be some truth behind it. Check out this article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
hmm thats a new one for me. INteresting study. My sister is writing her thesis on DA and its genetic components. Ill pass this along and see what she says.0 -
Actually there was an article in the news the other day positing a connection between the two - perhaps that is what jay8anks was referring to?
Type II diabetes is a risk factor in developing Alzheimers but it is not a type of diabetes. thats what I am saying. I am saying they are two separate medical conditions. Just like being overweight is a risk factor in developing Type II diabetes does not mean Overweight is a type of diabetes.
This is what I was referring to - not sure about jay8anks......
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769828/
Alzheimer's Disease Is Type 3 Diabetes–Evidence Reviewed
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I'm glad it's working out for you, but it proves nothing. You have counterparts in every camp. There will always be people having success on some specific regimen, but without a controlled large scale experiment, there's no way of telling if your success or anyone else's success was due to the particular diet change they think is responsible, or if it's something else. I'm not saying you're wrong, only that isolated cases like yours prove nothing.
As for "science," I agree. It gets overused on this forum, sometimes by people who have carefully studied issues, and other times by people who don't have a clue. It's the latter group that uses the word to try to trump disagreements.
This...
http://areyouthemovement.com/anecdotal-experience-empirical-evidence/0 -
TrailRunnermn wrote: »I'm curious how many people who are bashing the book have ever really used themselves as a human experiment to see how wheat (or other types of food) affects them. I myself cut out wheat and dairy and my performance in the gym went through the roof! My increased endurance and performance could not be denied. Come to think of it, my caloric intake actually DECREASED too. I wonder how that flies in the face of science.
People can cherry-pick things apart whether they are for something or against something and then they throw the world "science" into it. Newsflash...science is never 100% fact or concrete. How many times has science been wrong? Just because some study says this or that doesn't mean it's true. Real world application trumps any theory or study that isn't based on the real world.
Oh well. Those who love their wheat but can't seem to shake the last 5-10 pounds and blame it on eating an extra 100 calories or something else can continue to eat it. I'll be kicking *kitten* in the gym, getting leaner, and outperforming my previous PRs like I'm on the juice without wheat (and dairy).
If your calorie intake decreases, you lose weight. Because science.
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herrspoons wrote: »TrailRunnermn wrote: »Newsflash...science is never 100% fact or concrete. How many times has science been wrong? Just because some study says this or that doesn't mean it's true. Real world application trumps any theory or study that isn't based on the real world.
Interesting. Do tell me what part of the laws of thermodynamics aren't true. After that, please explain where the process of cellular respiration falls down. After you've done that, please explain why you think wheat is exempt from this process.
This...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/
Have fun
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If your calorie intake decreases, you lose weight. Because science.
Cute...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/
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TrailRunnermn wrote: »If your calorie intake decreases, you lose weight. Because science.
Cute...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/
Enjoy!
cute...
http://anthonycolpo.com/anthony-colpo-explains-why-dr-michael-eades-is-the-biggest-prat-in-the-diet-industry/
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Sorry guys, no such thing as nonCeliac gluten sensitivity. The one small study fell apart when it was expanded to a larger population nd the author reversed is earlier findings. Science at work....
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If the SAD diet is so healthy, why does nobody cure themselves from disease...by *** going on it *** ?
I am on it, and I'm in the process of reversing my insulin resistance, thanks.
The most irritating thing about all the claims in this thread are people unwilling to concede that their success isn't another persons success or that their way is not the only way.
I'm happy for people that cut sugar and see success, or cut wheat and see success, but those success stories do NOT mean other methods (like simply cutting back on the amount of food you eat) aren't going to produce results as well. Or that by cutting sugar, or wheat or dairy that you're somehow superior or more informed than someone who would rather do a moderation approach. You're not.
ETA: usually cutting out entire food groups means a significant decrease in calories, so CICO is what's actually causing the success, not the miracle of no cheese.1 -
TrailRunnermn wrote: »If your calorie intake decreases, you lose weight. Because science.
Cute...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/
Enjoy!
cute...
http://anthonycolpo.com/anthony-colpo-explains-why-dr-michael-eades-is-the-biggest-prat-in-the-diet-industry/
enjoy
Wow. That guy has a chip on his shoulder. I feel bad for him.
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TrailRunnermn wrote: »If your calorie intake decreases, you lose weight. Because science.
Cute...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/
Enjoy!
cute...
http://anthonycolpo.com/anthony-colpo-explains-why-dr-michael-eades-is-the-biggest-prat-in-the-diet-industry/
enjoy
Here...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolic-advantage/anthony-colpo-a-man-obsessed/
I doubt you even read anything Dr Mike wrote. I bet you couldn't wait to disprove it. C'mon. Admit it 0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »ETA: usually cutting out entire food groups means a significant decrease in calories, so CICO is what's actually causing the success, not the miracle of no cheese.
I just cut the cheese. No weight loss, but p.u.
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