20 year old girl wanting to gain muscle, need advice!
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ScottJTyler wrote: »
Missed this one.
Please try to read what I am actually typing and apply context.
What I am saying is that more volume can mean no actual muscle gain as you have maxed out and then the more volume = more fatigue which can = less effective workouts.
More is not always more.
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Let me put this in simple terms and then I am done as I am kind of bored of repeating myself and the point being overlooked or ignored entirely.
- Muscle gains are limited and there is a diminishing return on providing more stimuli than the body can utilize for gaining muscle. Adding more and more volume and/or frequency does not automatically equate into more and more muscle gain. [And I am not referring to recovery here, even though recovery is an important factor to consider]
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don't forget to increase weight.0
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Let me put this in simple terms and then I am done as I am kind of bored of repeating myself and the point being overlooked or ignored entirely.
- Muscle gains are limited and there is a diminishing return on providing more stimuli than the body can utilize for gaining muscle. Adding more and more volume and/or frequency does not automatically equate into more and more muscle gain. [And I am not referring to recovery here, even though recovery is an important factor to consider]
So you think someone lifting 4 days a week (one of them just arms) and each bodypart once per week is at their peak of the maximum volume they can ever get benefit from and should drop down to 5x5. OK I see now.
The question was 'I am doing this amount of volume and can't progress what should I do?'
and your response is 'Do less volume, less work=more gains!'. If only.
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ScottJTyler wrote: »Let me put this in simple terms and then I am done as I am kind of bored of repeating myself and the point being overlooked or ignored entirely.
- Muscle gains are limited and there is a diminishing return on providing more stimuli than the body can utilize for gaining muscle. Adding more and more volume and/or frequency does not automatically equate into more and more muscle gain. [And I am not referring to recovery here, even though recovery is an important factor to consider]
So you think someone lifting 4 days a week (one of them just arms) and each bodypart once per week is at their peak of the maximum volume they can ever get benefit from and should drop down to 5x5. OK I see now.
The question was 'I am doing this amount of volume and can't progress what should I do?'
and your response is 'Do less volume, less work=more gains!'. If only.
Wut??
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<experiences flashbacks of a certain coach>-1
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I love it that the new fish isn't getting it, even when explained in small terms. >_<-1
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ScottJTyler wrote: »Let me put this in simple terms and then I am done as I am kind of bored of repeating myself and the point being overlooked or ignored entirely.
- Muscle gains are limited and there is a diminishing return on providing more stimuli than the body can utilize for gaining muscle. Adding more and more volume and/or frequency does not automatically equate into more and more muscle gain. [And I am not referring to recovery here, even though recovery is an important factor to consider]
So you think someone lifting 4 days a week (one of them just arms) and each bodypart once per week is at their peak of the maximum volume they can ever get benefit from and should drop down to 5x5. OK I see now.
The question was 'I am doing this amount of volume and can't progress what should I do?'
and your response is 'Do less volume, less work=more gains!'. If only.
It's a good thing yer pretty.0 -
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PikaKnight wrote: »<experiences flashbacks of a certain coach>
I'm ready, are you ready?
Ok I even had to lol at that one.....
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Starting to see a trend in MFP forums.
Q. I've got a question about hypertrophy training
A1. Do Stronglifts 5x5
A2. Yeah I agree with that guy or maybe do Wendler
A3. Why not do something other than strength training?
A4. 'NO YOU'RE WRONG 5x5 IS THE BEST FOR EVERYTHING'
Any other suggestion or criticism of beginner programs gets shot down by regulars.
You're all very, very established on these forums and have spouted the same stuff for so long you don't want someone coming in and telling you that something else could be better. Fine, good luck to you. You've chased me out.-3 -
ScottJTyler wrote: »Starting to see a trend in MFP forums.
Q. I've got a question about hypertrophy training
A1. Do Stronglifts 5x5
A2. Yeah I agree with that guy or maybe do Wendler
A3. Why not do something other than strength training?
A4. 'NO YOU'RE WRONG 5x5 IS THE BEST FOR EVERYTHING'
Any other suggestion or criticism of beginner programs gets shot down by regulars.
You're all very, very established on these forums and have spouted the same stuff for so long you don't want someone coming in and telling you that something else could be better. Fine, good luck to you. You've chased me out.
lmfao...I actually never recommended it. Try again - and maybe try applying some reading comprehension and context this time.
You also did not actually recommend a program...just spreading what she is doing...no note or suggestions re progression of specificity ..just..coz volume apparently trumps errything, and muscle gains are only limited to the volume you can get in...errr..but frequency too.
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ScottJTyler wrote: »Starting to see a trend in MFP forums.
Q. I've got a question about hypertrophy training
A1. Do Stronglifts 5x5
A2. Yeah I agree with that guy or maybe do Wendler
A3. Why not do something other than strength training?
A4. 'NO YOU'RE WRONG 5x5 IS THE BEST FOR EVERYTHING'
Any other suggestion or criticism of beginner programs gets shot down by regulars.
You're all very, very established on these forums and have spouted the same stuff for so long you don't want someone coming in and telling you that something else could be better. Fine, good luck to you. You've chased me out.
Please point out where other program suggestions were "shot down". If anyone was doing any "shooting down" it was you.
And honestly, I don't even think you know what you were saying. Everything you started in on and tried to provide evidence for ended up actually working against you.
It's not that no one is open to ideas, but they for sure will question it and research into it.
If anyone is being close-minded, it really is you. You refuse to accept that maybe, just maybe, you have it completely wrong or/and don't actually understand what you are trying to pass off.
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Wait...is that... a regular shooting something down?
You also did not actually recommend a program...just spreading what she is doing...no note or suggestions re progression of specificity ..just..coz volume apparently trumps errything, and muscle gains are only limited to the volume you can get in...errr..but frequency too.
True I should have thought up and written down a whole progression plan. Mesocycles, deloads, the lot. Then I could go round and help her re rack the weights, cook her meals, etc.
I'm giving simple advice on a forum. That advice is: more frequency.
Waiting for stock reply "LOL, you're wrong!"-3 -
ScottJTyler wrote: »Wait...is that... a regular shooting something down?
You also did not actually recommend a program...just spreading what she is doing...no note or suggestions re progression of specificity ..just..coz volume apparently trumps errything, and muscle gains are only limited to the volume you can get in...errr..but frequency too.
True I should have thought up and written down a whole progression plan. Mesocycles, deloads, the lot. Then I could go round and help her re rack the weights, cook her meals, etc.
I'm giving simple advice on a forum. That advice is: more frequency.
Waiting for stock reply "LOL, you're wrong!"
lol - you are funny.
Also...not sure you are using that term in the right context. Not applying something in the correct context...I sense a theme...
So, you gave her a fantastic advice of ignore a well established beginner program that has progressive overload built in (there's your increase in volume) that has you lifting 3 x a week (there's your frequency) and had recommendations re deload etc, and gave her the stellar advice of 'do it more frequently'.
You see...there is a reason these programs are recommended. Because people do not want/have time to write them for them. You should get that - as you do not want to and are rather bitchy about the fact you do not want to. Even if you do not want to - there are a bunch of split routines that could be recommended if you were bothered.
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Oh, and hugs and kisses for the flag. Muuuuuuuaaaahhhh!!!-1
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ScottJTyler wrote: »Wait...is that... a regular shooting something down?
You also did not actually recommend a program...just spreading what she is doing...no note or suggestions re progression of specificity ..just..coz volume apparently trumps errything, and muscle gains are only limited to the volume you can get in...errr..but frequency too.
True I should have thought up and written down a whole progression plan. Mesocycles, deloads, the lot. Then I could go round and help her re rack the weights, cook her meals, etc.
I'm giving simple advice on a forum. That advice is: more frequency.
Waiting for stock reply "LOL, you're wrong!"
From this discussion, it's become obvious that you really don't understand what you are advising.
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More flags in here than an Independence Day parade...-1
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