"The big fat calorie counting con"

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

I disagree. Education does not automatically grant commitment or access. You could provide free nutrition classes to people in inner city food deserts but that won't make produce beyond a McDonald's salad just magically appear in a really stores.

What are you even going on about at this point? I said true education teaches people how to apply knowledge, it doesn't give them the absolute ability to do so. You're going way off on a tangent now. When I said someone must be able to apply it, I meant it as an attribute trait, not the physical ability of applying it.

And I said simply that I disagree that education is the whole answer, and demonstrated how this is so in two different ways. Education is not the whole answer

I am going based on the average person who has access to internet and a computer and the ability to afford primary life needs. Lets take weight loss and change the subject to aerospace engineering. First you have to learn about how rockets fly and the process of building one, then you have to apply that knowledge in practice by building a rocket that flies. If you were taught the knowledge and HOW to apply that knowledge, you'll build a successful rocket. You can't come in here and say, "Well, what about people who can't afford the parts to build a rocket?"

I get it. There are people who are in circumstances in which they cannot apply their knowledge because they got screwed over in life. My point is, you are more likely to find people who have lost weight and kept it off long term that knew what they were doing. You are less likely to find people who lost weight and kept it off long term who knew jack **** about exercising or calorie management. Education isn't only about what you learn in a classroom. It is built through experience and trial and error. One does not become educated by sitting through a 1 hour seminar.


You don't need to turn into a lawyer over here.

emily_stew wrote: »

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TriShamelessly wrote: »

Iwishyouwell wrote: »

I couldn't care less about the calorie controversy, but I do think there needs to be a much greater conversation about macros and a de-villainization of the fat macro.

Then look no further than the White House for a place to start. Queen Michelle has demonized full fat and 2% milk in kid's lunches. Jiminy Cricket! They need the stuff to grow. And just keep the twinkies off the menu.

I haven't jumped in on this thread yet, because I just don't care, but.....what? Fat has been demonized for a lot longer than the last 6 or so years.

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

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uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

I disagree. Education does not automatically grant commitment or access. You could provide free nutrition classes to people in inner city food deserts but that won't make produce beyond a McDonald's salad just magically appear in a really stores.

What are you even going on about at this point? I said true education teaches people how to apply knowledge, it doesn't give them the absolute ability to do so. You're going way off on a tangent now. When I said someone must be able to apply it, I meant it as an attribute trait, not the physical ability of applying it.

And I said simply that I disagree that education is the whole answer, and demonstrated how this is so in two different ways. Education is not the whole answer

I am going based on the average person who has access to internet and a computer and the ability to afford primary life needs. Lets take weight loss and change the subject to aerospace engineering. First you have to learn about how rockets fly and the process of building one, then you have to apply that knowledge in practice by building a rocket that flies. If you were taught the knowledge and HOW to apply that knowledge, you'll build a successful rocket. You can't come in here and say, "Well, what about people who can't afford the parts to build a rocket?"

I get it. There are people who are in circumstances in which they cannot apply their knowledge because they got screwed over in life. My point is, you are more likely to find people who have lost weight and kept it off long term that knew what they were doing. You are less likely to find people who lost weight and kept it off long term who knew jack **** about exercising or calorie management. Education isn't only about what you learn in a classroom. It is built through experience and trial and error. One does not become educated by sitting through a 1 hour seminar.


You don't need to turn into a lawyer over here.

No law degree necessary. This is very simple. You said education was the whole answer. I said it isn't. I proved my point. Twice. Let it go.

GwynHannay wrote: »

Regarding animals and how they manage to maintain their own weight - I find that very confusing! As someone mentioned earlier, I also have two cats, and while one of them is tubby, the other one is thin as a rail. We increase their food, they eat more, their weights don't change. We decrease their food, they eat less, their weights still don't change.

The tubby one was starved when she was younger. We rescued her from an abusive and negligent home and she quickly fattened up in our care. But I have no idea how to get the weight off her. We're already feeding both cats according to their size and her tummy just doesn't budge.

I would like to say that I have a fair amount of knowledge regarding calories and macros and even the psychology of eating food for comfort to an extent, but the case study of my two adorable kitties confuses the whole weight loss issue for me.

Does anyone have any insight? (P.S. Totally off-topic, of course... :-) )

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LeenaGee wrote: »

My intentions were never to make this family look bad but to highlight the need for educating our children so that they don't

It's an extremely complex issue and goes way beyond education. In fact, if you have a look at this review and meta-analysis, it shows that education is effective in treatment, but not prevention of childhood obesity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23454596

OBJECTIVE:
To assess the effectiveness of educational interventions including behavioral modification, nutrition and physical activity to prevent or treat childhood obesity through a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized trials.

RESULTS:
Of 22.852 articles retrieved, 26 trials (23.617 participants) were included. There were no differences in outcomes assessed in prevention studies. However, in treatment studies, educational interventions were associated with a significant reduction in waist circumference [-3.21 cm (95%CI -6.34, -0.07)], BMI [-0.86 kg/m(2) (95%CI -1.59, -0.14)] and diastolic blood pressure [-3.68 mmHg (95%CI -5.48, -1.88)].

CONCLUSIONS:
Educational interventions are effective in treatment, but not prevention, of childhood obesity and its consequences.

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uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

I feel like I am at an expository writing convention.

could be worse, it could be a trekkie/otaku convention with a cosplay component.

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »

SnuggleSmacks wrote: »

I disagree. Education does not automatically grant commitment or access. You could provide free nutrition classes to people in inner city food deserts but that won't make produce beyond a McDonald's salad just magically appear in a really stores.

What are you even going on about at this point? I said true education teaches people how to apply knowledge, it doesn't give them the absolute ability to do so. You're going way off on a tangent now. When I said someone must be able to apply it, I meant it as an attribute trait, not the physical ability of applying it.

And I said simply that I disagree that education is the whole answer, and demonstrated how this is so in two different ways. Education is not the whole answer

I am going based on the average person who has access to internet and a computer and the ability to afford primary life needs. Lets take weight loss and change the subject to aerospace engineering. First you have to learn about how rockets fly and the process of building one, then you have to apply that knowledge in practice by building a rocket that flies. If you were taught the knowledge and HOW to apply that knowledge, you'll build a successful rocket. You can't come in here and say, "Well, what about people who can't afford the parts to build a rocket?"

I get it. There are people who are in circumstances in which they cannot apply their knowledge because they got screwed over in life. My point is, you are more likely to find people who have lost weight and kept it off long term that knew what they were doing. You are less likely to find people who lost weight and kept it off long term who knew jack **** about exercising or calorie management. Education isn't only about what you learn in a classroom. It is built through experience and trial and error. One does not become educated by sitting through a 1 hour seminar.


You don't need to turn into a lawyer over here.

No law degree necessary. This is very simple. You said education was the whole answer. I said it isn't. I proved my point. Twice. Let it go.

You didn't prove a point, you used outliers as evidence. For most people, knowledge and the application of that knowledge will lead to success. There will always be people who are unable to apply it due to outstanding circumstances but I am talking to people who, I assume, aren't living on the streets of Detroit. Sure I made a mistake and talked in absolutes, which I shouldn't have done, but you didn't have to get into the semantics of it.

However you feel, I hope you're able to get back on track! Happy Thanksgiving.