Define "healthy" food...
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ShinyFuture wrote: »Somebody (I don't know who, it's from a book of quotes) once said "Truth, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder." Same goes for "healthy food". It's whatever it means to the individual.
For me, for example, today I had homemade hummus w/fresh vegetables - I consider that healthy food. I also had peanut m&m's. I consider that unhealthy food. I had room in my calories for it, but it still serves no useful purpose towards *my* overall health or *my* weight loss efforts. So *for me* and *what I eat*, m&m's are not healthy food.
If someone else thinks m&m's are healthy food for them based on how they look at things, that's fine. I learned a long time ago that I can only live my own life.
What confuses me, however, is the constant battle about it. Do you really care that my gauge *for me* is whether it advances *my* overall health and weight loss efforts, and so for me I think m&m's are not healthy?
I could not care less what you eat or think, until you put it on a forum where people are trying to learn about health and fitness. I want to make sure they hear the other side. Peanut M&M's aren't unhealthy if consumed in the context of a balanced diet.0 -
ldrosophila wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Depending on the situation, it can be significant IMO. Comparing some commercial brands of ice-cream with homemade yogurt would yield a good bit of differences, IMO. Homemade yogurt can be loaded with probiotics, added sugar does not have to be as high as in commercial ice-cream, and it is also lower in lactose.Calcium, iron, Vitamins A, D, K, E, etc. are naturally occurring parts of nutrition in whole, unprocessed foods. You aren't going to find those quality micronutrients in pizza, ice cream, funnel cakes, candy bars, soda, etc. And, even if you do get some micronutrients in the ingredients used to make those foods, you will also get a huge dose of sodium (implicated in high blood pressure), saturated fats (implicated in cardiovascular diseases) and sugar (which has a whole slew of diet related health issues attributed with it).
A bonus: what sort of education or research do you have to assert this position? I'd love to know.
What's the difference between eating some ice cream or having a yogurt?
In that case, next we should compare some commercial brands of yogurt with homemade ice cream...because cherry-picking is so persuasive.
dude... what page are you on. That was like, so last hour or two.
wait is ice cream made with a hand crank more healthy than ice cream made with a home machine. What about those roller ball ice cream thingies are they the most healthiest ice cream? If I make ice cream with whole milk or cream does that make one ice cream really extra super dooper healthy what about rock salt vs. ionized salt will my ice cream be more healthier and not get a goiter?
I've seen them make ice cream with liquid nitrogen on Cutthroat Kitchen. That stuff can't be healthy, right?
/sarcasm
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
No....what people are saying is having a can of coke with a bowl of stew, that has veggies and proteins in it, is not considered unhealthy as I met all my macs and micros for the day, if I have room I will fit ice cream or a cookie or whatever.
Some are, but some are saying both are equally heatlhy foods becasue they both can be part of an overall healthy diet. They can't seem to separate the terms.
Well, in that context, then I cannot see that it is incorrect statement.
Niether do I. I just think it's a cop-out.
I'm 300 calories under my goal and zombies are getting ready to chase me. I have the choice of 300 calories of kale before I go or 300 calories of sugar...which do I eat? Sugar...it's faster releasing and keeps me from getting ate by zombies, therefore, sugar is healthier than kale in that instance....BOOM! BOOYAH!!
Totally off point and untrue.
How is it untrue?
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Yes, it is. Thanks.MoiAussi93 wrote: »If you use words like outrageous, you should be able to back them up.
Strong logic!!0 -
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19704096/
Added sugars are not inherently bad... excessive added sugars can be bad...0 -
ShinyFuture wrote: »What confuses me, however, is the constant battle about it. Do you really care that my gauge *for me* is whether it advances *my* overall health and weight loss efforts, and so for me I think m&m's are not healthy?
I care because you hurt little M&M's feelings he cant help it his candy coating has made him unhealthy and sick. He tries to make up for it by putting a little peanut inside, but he just never gets the credit like his big brother chickpea who gets all the kuddos for being able to go into pita bread0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Yes, it is. Thanks.MoiAussi93 wrote: »If you use words like outrageous, you should be able to back them up.
Strong logic!!
I see sensing sarcasm is not a strong point of yours.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
If he's referencing the post I think, he posted the ingredients of something like Dominos and then posted the ingredients of his homemade versions. Then went on to explain why his was healthier than the other (IN HIS OPINION)
Exactly. Where he said full-fat mozzarella was bad, but never explained why...
He didn't explain the full fat thing but he explained the other reasons. I'd agree if the cheese contained transfats but other than that, I haven't made enemies of fat0 -
I think she was calling your bluff. You claimed to have a "genuine interest", but you didn't.MoiAussi93 wrote: »
If you did, you would research the issue yourself. It's really not that hard. You obviously have internet access. If you don't care enough to research it, why should I do it for you?MoiAussi93 wrote: »At not wasting my time providing links to people who have no genuine interest in them? Actually, I'm pretty good at that.
But I do have a genuine interest.
Then why did you offer. Again, seems disingenuous.
Also...lulz at the google weak google it yourself ploy. You realize that people can see right through that right? Right?
If you were genuinely interested in anything, you would seek out knowledge on the subject and wouldn't even limit yourself to the Internet, much less a discussion board.
If you do not have enough interest to seek out information on your own, there really is no reason someone else to provide you with it.
If you want to learn, go learn. Nobody can stop you.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
But could you pronounce it? That's what determines unhealthiness.0 -
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
No....what people are saying is having a can of coke with a bowl of stew, that has veggies and proteins in it, is not considered unhealthy as I met all my macs and micros for the day, if I have room I will fit ice cream or a cookie or whatever.
Some are, but some are saying both are equally heatlhy foods becasue they both can be part of an overall healthy diet. They can't seem to separate the terms.
Well, in that context, then I cannot see that it is incorrect statement.
Niether do I. I just think it's a cop-out.
I'm 300 calories under my goal and zombies are getting ready to chase me. I have the choice of 300 calories of kale before I go or 300 calories of sugar...which do I eat? Sugar...it's faster releasing and keeps me from getting ate by zombies, therefore, sugar is healthier than kale in that instance....BOOM! BOOYAH!!
Totally off point and untrue.
How is it untrue?
Zombies are not about to chase him.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
If he's referencing the post I think, he posted the ingredients of something like Dominos and then posted the ingredients of his homemade versions. Then went on to explain why his was healthier than the other (IN HIS OPINION)
Exactly. Where he said full-fat mozzarella was bad, but never explained why...
He didn't explain the full fat thing but he explained the other reasons. I'd agree if the cheese contained transfats but other than that, I haven't made enemies of fat
There's nothing inherently wrong with fresh, full-fat mozzarella. I understand he doesn't use it so that he can make room for other dietary fats in his pizza, but it isn't unhealthy which is the impression he left earlier.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
It's called ingredients that do not have a place in pizza.ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
Interesting, I wasn't aware that there was a rule on what belongs in a pizza.
There should be. Pepperoni - NO, pineapple - yes.0
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