Eating VERY clean and tons of protein but still hungry
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BodyByButter wrote: »Firing squat!
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And the name calling begins. I guess that's the next step, when arguing semantics and logical fallacies fails.
But he's so much smarter than we are! How is that possible?WalkingAlong wrote: »
He'd never heard of Michael Pollan before today.
No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.
Must be my oft-mentioned stupidity and inability to understand anything that prevents me from realizing how the answer must be that it is because I'm an idiot who cannot understand his "Science!"
awwww look the white knight crew has banded together to gang up on me...
isn't that your definition of bullying????
I'm not sure someone can be a white knight AND a bully. Can you maybe call me a troll? I'm a little jealous of all the women you call trolls. 'Faceless troll' is a nice one, too.
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Fun fact, in Europe (at least in Denmark), calories are listed as "energy" on packages.0
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BodyByButter wrote: »Fun fact, in Europe (at least in Denmark), calories are listed as "energy" on packages.
And in the USDA foods list, it's labeled "Energy" with the unit of "kcals"
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/9?fg=&man=&lfacet=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=0 -
its pretty simple..you either say yes food provides energy or no it does not ...
some replied that was false, which is what I responded too...0 -
Right? I posted a page or so back that the definition of "calorie" is a unit of energy!BodyByButter wrote: »Fun fact, in Europe (at least in Denmark), calories are listed as "energy" on packages.
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Right? I posted a page or so back that the definition of "calorie" is a unit of energy!BodyByButter wrote: »Fun fact, in Europe (at least in Denmark), calories are listed as "energy" on packages.
hmmmm I wonder why...?0 -
No, it's not between calories and grams of fat, it *is* calories. A calorie is a unit of energy.acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy. It's not like energy content is right there between calories and grams of fat on a label . . .
It was just an example to explain the point, jeez.
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acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
So then the statement food = energy is true . . .
So why is anyone debating it???
Food does provide energy (except for soluble fiber, and water, if you consider water food), however it provides more than energy.
Sure it provides nutrition and all that good stuff . . . but you just said what he said a long time ago, food = energy. He didn't say it's ONLY energy (at least not where I read, if he did then he did) he just said it is energy. Whether it provides additional things is not what was being discussed, until afterwards.
The point is you get all the "added bonuses" if you will by consuming the food. You cannot go through muscle repair without protein from food to do so, but it's still energy. No one said it doesn't give you more than just energy, it does, but you need energy to keep going so you need food.0 -
calorie definition for all the doubters...
The name calorie is used for two units of energy. The small calorie or gram calorie (symbol: cal) is the approximate amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius at a pressure of one atmosphere.[1] The large calorie, kilogram calorie, dietary calorie, nutritionist's calorie, nutritional calorie, Calorie (capital C)[2] or food calorie (symbol: Cal) is approximately the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one kilogram of water by one degree Celsius. The large calorie is thus equal to 1000 small calories or one kilocalorie (symbol: kcal0 -
I guess we read differently. I count six times in the first 3 pages (emphasis mine):acorsaut89 wrote: »acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
So then the statement food = energy is true . . .
So why is anyone debating it???
Food does provide energy (except for soluble fiber, and water, if you consider water food), however it provides more than energy.
Sure it provides nutrition and all that good stuff . . . but you just said what he said a long time ago, food = energy. He didn't say it's ONLY energy (at least not where I read, if he did then he did) he just said it is energy. Whether it provides additional things is not what was being discussed, until afterwards.
1-Food is just energy
2-its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
3-at the end of the day it is just energy
4-so at the end of the day Food = energy
5-at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body
6-You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy.
(Seriously, who would be arguing that food is not energy, among other things?)
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I would try adding more fiber rich vegetables and whole grain carbs. Your diary looks really great, but the added fiber should help you feel "full". Way to go on your success so far!! Don't give up!!0
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I may or may not have just watched that cat video for about 3 minutes straight.0
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
I guess we read differently. I count six times in the first 3 pages (emphasis mine):acorsaut89 wrote: »acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
So then the statement food = energy is true . . .
So why is anyone debating it???
Food does provide energy (except for soluble fiber, and water, if you consider water food), however it provides more than energy.
Sure it provides nutrition and all that good stuff . . . but you just said what he said a long time ago, food = energy. He didn't say it's ONLY energy (at least not where I read, if he did then he did) he just said it is energy. Whether it provides additional things is not what was being discussed, until afterwards.
1-Food is just energy
2-its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
3-at the end of the day it is just energy
4-so at the end of the day Food = energy
5-at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body
6-You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy.
(Seriously, who would be arguing that food is not energy, among other things?)
here is one:
No. Food is not = energy nothing else that is a fact.
here is another from you kalikel
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...(my statement)
No, it isn't. (the response)
several other people said it was "opinion" and not a fact...
so yea, someone made that argument which is the reason this whole thing started...
and yes, food provides nutrients which your body then uses as fuel for bodily functions (energy)-1 -
ANNNNDNDDDD, this is officially the last question I will post on MFP, what a joke. When did it become about an argument over helping someone succeed at getting healthier? Stop arguing, it's getting old! Thank you for all the positive comments and help. Today is way better!0
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Eating "clean" does not mean "fulfilling".. you have to eat foods that are filling, not just "clean".
I eat whatever I want, and I am full.0 -
This may sound like a dumb question but are you really hungry... or are you just craving food for emotional reasons? I've found that the hardest part of losing weight is giving up food as an emotional crutch. Before MFP, did you eat because you were bored, tired, sad, stressed, etc...? By feeling "hungry" maybe what you are actually feeling is the discomfort of everything you were blocking out before with food.
Take a hard look at what "hungry" means to you. When do you feel "hungry"? When you get your next "hunger" attack, stop a moment and be mindful. What were you thinking about, something stressful or upsetting? You might be surprised.0 -
allison1983weber wrote: »ANNNNDNDDDD, this is officially the last question I will post on MFP, what a joke. When did it become about an argument over helping someone succeed at getting healthier? Stop arguing, it's getting old! Thank you for all the positive comments and help. Today is way better!
I am glad to hear that you are having a good day with less hunger!
Please don't be discouraged by our arguments! While it looks petty and childish, it really isn't -- I for one learn a great deal about how to feed myself because of these arguments.
And not all threads devolve into arguments.
I wish you the best of luck with your new lifestyle!
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This may sound like a dumb question but are you really hungry... or are you just craving food for emotional reasons? I've found that the hardest part of losing weight is giving up food as an emotional crutch. Before MFP, did you eat because you were bored, tired, sad, stressed, etc...? By feeling "hungry" maybe what you are actually feeling is the discomfort of everything you were blocking out before with food.
Take a hard look at what "hungry" means to you. When do you feel "hungry"? When you get your next "hunger" attack, stop a moment and be mindful. What were you thinking about, something stressful or upsetting? You might be surprised.
This was definitely true for me.0 -
Hi Allison! So I've been in your shoes. Last year I started a clean eating journey as well and I lost 11 pounds in 4 days. I was lethargic to say the least but by the second week, I started incorporating more veggies, beans and grains and that changed everything. So I fell off the wagon and started back up last week but in the year I didn't eat clean I learned alot. Looking at your diary, you're really depriving yourself of food. A couple of things I would switch out, is for breakfast eat something substantial. Something like quinoa with greek yogurt, berries almonds and a little honey for sweetness. If you just have the yogurt, you'll be starving an hour later. Or try something with eggs like a veggie omelet. Canned tuna isn't necessarily clean because of the sodium content and it's processed. So switch that out for fresh fish like tuna steaks. Make sure you're eating some type of carbohydrate with lunch and dinner such as sweet potatoes, beans, rice or quinoa. Stay away from white breads, rice, and white sugar. Biggest tip is to try to eat real, unprocessed foods. Stay away from canned fruits or vegetables because the sodium content is outrageous and they're not considered clean. The only packaged or canned foods you should be eating while clean eating are foods like pasta, meats (raw uncooked, not lunch meat or processed meats) and canned tomatoes. You shouldn't have to venture into the grocery store aisles for much of anything except tea, coffee, bread and pasta. Hope this helps! Let me know if you need any more info0
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Awesome advice everyone. Before I definitely ate when I was bored, if I wanted something I ate it. This was definite hunger. But I have increased my calories and am feeling great. I ate a big breakfast and lunch and no more hunger!0
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Great news.
Sometimes you just have to experiment to see what works for you.0 -
I'm really sorry to derail your thread. You shouldn't have to put up with it. I don't usually get involved in the childishness and nastiness for that very reason. Nobody should have to wade through all the nonsense that happens so frequently. I apologize for my part in it and will make an effort to go back to not doing it.allison1983weber wrote: »ANNNNDNDDDD, this is officially the last question I will post on MFP, what a joke. When did it become about an argument over helping someone succeed at getting healthier? Stop arguing, it's getting old! Thank you for all the positive comments and help. Today is way better!
It's normal to be hungry when you first start losing. If you eat only healthy foods, though, you really shouldn't be that hungry. You can eat SO MANY fruits and veggies for so few calories! A lot of people have trouble meeting their calorie goals when eating only healthy foods.
Maybe you need to eat a little more? If you're weak, tired all he time or getting dizzy, you might need to eat more.
Sorry, again, about participating in the nonsense. I hope you'll hang around.
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allison1983weber wrote: »Awesome advice everyone. Before I definitely ate when I was bored, if I wanted something I ate it. This was definite hunger. But I have increased my calories and am feeling great. I ate a big breakfast and lunch and no more hunger!
Great! I was on vacation the last two weeks of the year and became aware of times that I would normally just snack or eat things when I wasn't hungry. I didn't do it but I was conscious that before trying to lose fat I would have just eaten something to chew and not be bored. It was pretty enlightening.
Sometimes the conversations here get off-topic and heated. Just sift through and find the info you need and ignore the rest. I'm pleased to see that a lot of folks have been steadily giving you advice and tips.
And please keep posting. I think it was a great question and am sure it helped a lot of people who might have read it even if they didn't comment.
Feel free to add me as a friend. I also eat high protein and am finding it quite pleasant so far!!!0 -
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I'm glad someone else is getting sick of this ridiculous argument going on. I came to this thread as I'm interested in the OP'S ORIGINAL QUESTION and the reponses suggesting help. I gave up reading on page 4 and skipped to the end to see if it was still going on and of course it was. I feel sorry for the OP whose having to sift through all these to read the genuinely helpful and on-topic posts.
Now, back to the original topic....I've been having a similar trouble, though I eat more calories than yourself and often go over my sugar goal =( everyone is different and will find benefit in different dietary choices. Myself i've found snacking on carbs (just a small amount) tides me over if im hungry in the evening. I'll often have a piece of toast or a couple of crackers and i find it fills me up. I know other posters suggest protein and fat or fibre fill them up more. Also many have suggested playing around with your food choices to find what works for you. This i completely agree with and, like you are doing, i'm trying for myself, to get to the point where im not starving at any point in the day or before bed (as it stops me sleeping) but still hitting my targets and losing weight.
Well done on your loss so far and good luck
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Thank you It definitely turned into something that I was not interested in. I have upped my calories and have had way better success with my hunger. My weight loss has slowed considerably, so I feel better knowing I am doing it the right way 0
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when you start restricting calories when you haven't been for the longest time you will feel hungry all the time because your body is used to it. It's normal. You'll get used to your new eating habits and your body will adjust. Just make sure you are eating enough and not starving yourself.0
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