So here's a gym 'etiquette' question

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  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    edited January 2015
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.

    Thinking is hard, so I don't do it very often. How would you make him delete it?


    ETA: you edited to answer and I didn't catch it. What you just described is assault.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."
  • fatcity66
    fatcity66 Posts: 1,544 Member
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.

    Thinking is hard, so I don't do it very often. How would you make him delete it?

    I'm not surprised.
  • Sometimes I love living in Quebec.

    "In Quebec, the Quebec Human Rights Code grants all humans the right to their private life. For photography, this broadly-worded right allows each individual person in Quebec control over the use of their image (meaning, a photo of them).

    The Quebec Charter Of Human Rights and Freedoms (PDF), Chapter I, 5.:
    Every person has a right to respect for his private life.

    This was recently upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada in a case where a photographer published a photo of an individual in public, without the subject's permission. The image was nothing special, it was taken from a public place of a person in public, and did not injure their reputation. However, the Supreme Court of Canada said that the photographer should not have published the photo without the permission of the person photographed, and ruled in the favor of the subject of the photo. They did note that there are exceptions for newsworthy events, people who are in the public eye, like politicians or celebrities, or if the person was incidental to the photo, and not the main subject(s).

    Aubrey v. Edition Vice-Versa Inc.

    Wikipedia Article Summary of Case - The Court held that under Quebec law a photographer can take photographs in public places but may not publish the picture unless permission has been obtained from the subject."
  • fatcity66
    fatcity66 Posts: 1,544 Member
    edited January 2015
    TR0berts wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."

    It's as legal as him taking a picture of me without my consent.
    It may not be legal for me to hit him either, but that doesn't mean I won't.
    I do illegal things every day. I bet you do to. Like speeding.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    And that's perfectly legal in most societies. It's what he does with it that may be a problem.
  • fatcity66
    fatcity66 Posts: 1,544 Member
    Sometimes I love living in Quebec.

    "In Quebec, the Quebec Human Rights Code grants all humans the right to their private life. For photography, this broadly-worded right allows each individual person in Quebec control over the use of their image (meaning, a photo of them).

    The Quebec Charter Of Human Rights and Freedoms (PDF), Chapter I, 5.:
    Every person has a right to respect for his private life.

    This was recently upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada in a case where a photographer published a photo of an individual in public, without the subject's permission. The image was nothing special, it was taken from a public place of a person in public, and did not injure their reputation. However, the Supreme Court of Canada said that the photographer should not have published the photo without the permission of the person photographed, and ruled in the favor of the subject of the photo. They did note that there are exceptions for newsworthy events, people who are in the public eye, like politicians or celebrities, or if the person was incidental to the photo, and not the main subject(s).

    Aubrey v. Edition Vice-Versa Inc.

    Wikipedia Article Summary of Case - The Court held that under Quebec law a photographer can take photographs in public places but may not publish the picture unless permission has been obtained from the subject."

    That's how it should be.
  • animatorswearbras
    animatorswearbras Posts: 1,001 Member
    I'm fairly sure either would result in a gym membership suspension at my gym, seriously who the **** does this, that's some creepy *kitten*, womens butts in a freezer, stalker *kitten*.
  • Both are creepy and inappropriate.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
    In the first example, the picture taker is creepier, but it is less creepy for the subject of the picture. (If you are sneaking, you *know* what you're doing is not cool)

    Of course it is only less creepy for you until you stumble across pictures of yourself mid-squat floating around the internet. With a llama head photoshopped on.

    In the second example, I guess there's a chance that the picture-taker is actually that oblivious, and sincere ...

    Naaah. Option 2, less creepy, but more (idunno, insert a word that works for you here), because someone that brazen can *not* be right in the head.

  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    sullus wrote: »
    In the first example, the picture taker is creepier, but it is less creepy for the subject of the picture. (If you are sneaking, you *know* what you're doing is not cool)

    Of course it is only less creepy for you until you stumble across pictures of yourself mid-squat floating around the internet. With a llama head photoshopped on.

    In the second example, I guess there's a chance that the picture-taker is actually that oblivious, and sincere ...

    Naaah. Option 2, less creepy, but more (idunno, insert a word that works for you here), because someone that brazen can *not* be right in the head.

    He forgot that lifting weights can and more likely builds self confidence. He must be lifting wrong.
  • Delilahhhhhh
    Delilahhhhhh Posts: 477 Member
    Both are creepy and inappropriate.

    +1000000

    I would change my gym to one that did now allow phones in the gym area.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."

    It's as legal as him taking a picture of me without my consent.
    It may not be legal for me to hit him either, but that doesn't mean I won't.
    I do illegal things every day. I bet you do to. Like speeding.

    Does speeding normally come with jail time on your planet?
  • wolfsbayne
    wolfsbayne Posts: 3,116 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I would say option two ..

    but I have never had either happen to me., to my knowledge…

    I agree with this. However, my guy wants to get me some yoga pants that says "stop looking, this a** is taken" across the butt lol

  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."

    It's as legal as him taking a picture of me without my consent.
    It may not be legal for me to hit him either, but that doesn't mean I won't.
    I do illegal things every day. I bet you do to. Like speeding.

    Does speeding normally come with jail time on your planet?

    What are you two even arguing about?

  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."

    It's as legal as him taking a picture of me without my consent.
    It may not be legal for me to hit him either, but that doesn't mean I won't.
    I do illegal things every day. I bet you do to. Like speeding.

    Does speeding normally come with jail time on your planet?

    What are you two even arguing about?

    What am I ever arguing about? Usually nothing. I'm just easily amused
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    DavPul wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    fatcity66 wrote: »
    I would definitely make him delete it while in my presence.

    How would you do that?

    How do you think? If he didn't want to, I'm pretty sure I'm quick enough to grab the phone out of his hand and delete it for him.


    You do realize two things:

    a) what you are describing is technically illegal;
    b) look up what happened with "The Fappening."

    It's as legal as him taking a picture of me without my consent.
    It may not be legal for me to hit him either, but that doesn't mean I won't.
    I do illegal things every day. I bet you do to. Like speeding.

    Does speeding normally come with jail time on your planet?

    What are you two even arguing about?

    What am I ever arguing about? Usually nothing. I'm just easily amused

    :lol:
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    Both are creepy and inappropriate.

    +1000000

    I would change my gym to one that did now allow phones in the gym area.

    then I can't video my self on my own workout when I want to- which I do regularly.
  • Bry_Fitness70
    Bry_Fitness70 Posts: 2,480 Member
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    Both are creepy and inappropriate.

    +1000000

    I would change my gym to one that did now allow phones in the gym area.

    then I can't video my self on my own workout when I want to- which I do regularly.

    Or listen to music. Or take your own IG selfies. Or mfp between sets. Or log workouts in an app.

    A no photo policy is cool, but a no phone policy would be much too restrictive, imo
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,992 Member
    Most gym DON'T allow picture taking. Just report it. When I see anyone pointing a phone at anyone, I immediately go up to them and let them know that taking any pictures is forbidden and is cause for them to have membership revoked.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    Your were saying how things are different in a public vs private space. I'm just trying to figure out why.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    except that's how this country was build to work.

    If it's not written as a law- then technically it's legal. That's the basis of our constitution.
    Or listen to music. Or take your own IG selfies. Or mfp between sets. Or log workouts in an app.

    A no photo policy is cool, but a no phone policy would be much too restrictive, imo
    agreed.
    And while I don't use my phone for music- I do use it regularly between sets and I would NEVER do cardio if I didn't have it- netflix for the win... so I just can't get on board with a "no phone" police at all.

    also- just to be clear. I love my gym.
    I love working out at my gym. And under no circumstances am I changing gyms.

    An next time I see him- I'm grabbing one of my buddies and saying- if you see him taking pictures of me behind my back to call his punk *kitten* out - because dude. not.cool.
  • runner475
    runner475 Posts: 1,236 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    Folks out there in interland.... I have a question for you all

    Which of the following rates higher on the "you're effing creepy" scale?

    > at the gym trying to ninja take a picture of a girl (or guy- not gender bias) in this case- specially while squatting.

    or

    > trying to take the picture while they are squatting- or waiting for the next set and then saying- oh I was waiting for you to squat again so I could get a picture for my instagram page beautiful girls bla bla bla... you know "to inspire someone"


    So we all know the actual answer is- don't be a d!ck taking pictures of girls a$$es while they squat- but... if you're GOING to do it- which one is more or less socially acceptable/creepy??

    Discuss.

    Did the individual take the permission?

    If no, a straight punch on the face.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    except that's how this country was build to work.

    If it's not written as a law- then technically it's legal. That's the basis of our constitution.
    Or listen to music. Or take your own IG selfies. Or mfp between sets. Or log workouts in an app.

    A no photo policy is cool, but a no phone policy would be much too restrictive, imo
    agreed.
    And while I don't use my phone for music- I do use it regularly between sets and I would NEVER do cardio if I didn't have it- netflix for the win... so I just can't get on board with a "no phone" police at all.

    also- just to be clear. I love my gym.
    I love working out at my gym. And under no circumstances am I changing gyms.

    An next time I see him- I'm grabbing one of my buddies and saying- if you see him taking pictures of me behind my back to call his punk *kitten* out - because dude. not.cool.

    I'm surprise you did not flip out during this situation?
  • Bry_Fitness70
    Bry_Fitness70 Posts: 2,480 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    except that's how this country was build to work.

    If it's not written as a law- then technically it's legal. That's the basis of our constitution.

    The Constitution protects certain rights from being infringed upon by our government, not by private entities. You don’t have the freedom to assemble / freedom of speech / the right to bear arms / etc., in my living room – I can lawfully throw you out for a silly reason or no reason whatsoever, because it is my property. The gym has the same rights to allow / disallow whatever behavior they wish (although they are restricted from discriminating on the basis of race, religion, etc.), so if you sign a gym contract that states green shoes are not permitted, they can throw you out for wearing green shoes, whether this is fair or not.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    except that's how this country was build to work.

    If it's not written as a law- then technically it's legal. That's the basis of our constitution.
    Or listen to music. Or take your own IG selfies. Or mfp between sets. Or log workouts in an app.

    A no photo policy is cool, but a no phone policy would be much too restrictive, imo
    agreed.
    And while I don't use my phone for music- I do use it regularly between sets and I would NEVER do cardio if I didn't have it- netflix for the win... so I just can't get on board with a "no phone" police at all.

    also- just to be clear. I love my gym.
    I love working out at my gym. And under no circumstances am I changing gyms.

    An next time I see him- I'm grabbing one of my buddies and saying- if you see him taking pictures of me behind my back to call his punk *kitten* out - because dude. not.cool.

    Next time you see him take a clear picture of him, get it printed on 11 by 7 paper with the caption "Takes Photos Of Women's Butts at The Gym" and then tape it to the walls when gym staff isn't looking.

    Fair is fair.
  • 7seas_sailing
    7seas_sailing Posts: 224 Member
    TR0berts wrote: »
    My thoughts are that there are enough pics of women's @**es on the internet for just about anything he would need.


    There are never enough pics of female derrieres.

    Not saying that this was OK, really. Just pointing out your mistake. :D

    ^^^touché! Lol!
  • fatcity66
    fatcity66 Posts: 1,544 Member
    DavPul wrote: »
    JoRocka wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    bw_conway wrote: »
    DavPul wrote: »
    1. Both are equally creepy
    2. Both are equally okay
    3. I agree the guy is a dbag
    4. I agree the second one is a flirting attempt
    5. The gym is a public place and there are no privacy laws in effect
    6. No harm, no foul
    7. Ever watch a #gymfails video or share a don't skip leg day meme? Do we think those are taken and shared with knowledge and permission?

    I disagree that it is okay – this is a private business, not a place where the general public can just crash, and you can be told to leave at the discretion of management. OP is paying to be there and has the right not to be harassed. Put your sister, girlfriend or wife in OP’s position – do you want some dirt bag snapping pics of her while she squats?

    This creepiness is why we can’t have nice things, and why “female only” workout areas are becoming more prevalent (they recently put up a curtain in the yoga area in a gym I go to keep rubberneckers from gawking).

    What I want and what's legally actionable are not one and the same. The gym floor is not the same as the gym locker room. My sister, girlfriend, wife, and Jo are all fully clothed and in a public space. The camera takes an image of something they did in public and were fully okay with all eyes around them viewing. You ever go on vacation and take photos? Did you get signed permission from all the people in the background of the images you posted on your Facebook page? If those random people knew they in your Facebook Facebook photos, do you think they would be happy about that? Do you care?

    Tl;dr: it's not cool, but no one is dead.



    *waits patiently for excitable claims that every person whose image is posted on the Internet is marked for death by a serial killer*


    I didn’t say anyone did anything illegal. But if illegality is the only standard for judging behavior, society is in big trouble.

    The gym is not a public place, it is a private business. If you doubt this, try to walk in and start exercising without paying. There is a distinction between expectations of privacy on a public beach / park / street and privacy in privately owned areas – behavior can be restricted on private property (like gyms, restaurants, malls, etc.). People don’t have an expectation of having other gym members take pictures of them while working out – the creeps that do it should knock it off or be reported to management.

    So you're totally okay if a strange guy takes a picture of the booty of your sister/girlfriend/wife while they are on a public Beach and posts it to instagram?

    I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, that seems to be what you are advocating- if it isn't against the law, then anything goes. I totally reject that

    except that's how this country was build to work.

    If it's not written as a law- then technically it's legal. That's the basis of our constitution.
    Or listen to music. Or take your own IG selfies. Or mfp between sets. Or log workouts in an app.

    A no photo policy is cool, but a no phone policy would be much too restrictive, imo
    agreed.
    And while I don't use my phone for music- I do use it regularly between sets and I would NEVER do cardio if I didn't have it- netflix for the win... so I just can't get on board with a "no phone" police at all.

    also- just to be clear. I love my gym.
    I love working out at my gym. And under no circumstances am I changing gyms.

    An next time I see him- I'm grabbing one of my buddies and saying- if you see him taking pictures of me behind my back to call his punk *kitten* out - because dude. not.cool.

    Next time you see him take a clear picture of him, get it printed on 11 by 7 paper with the caption "Takes Photos Of Women's Butts at The Gym" and then tape it to the walls when gym staff isn't looking.

    Fair is fair.

    This honestly made me LOL.
  • Gross. The guy is a creep. I have no idea how to handle it, I'd be so taken aback I wouldn't know what to do.
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