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emily_stew wrote: »
You must tell me where these cards are that we play with then. In the meanwhile, I'll just sit here and watch all of this unfold.0 -
Sugars bad if you're not burning it, & like Dr. Mark Hyman says, fat doesn't make you fat, sugar makes you fat. So full fat yogurt's the better option, there's not much difference if you eat either or, it's good as long as you hit your daily macrosI would try and steer clear of processed sugars if I were you, but if your goal is simply to lose weight then as everyone has said you need to be more focused on your calorie intake and when you eat. try not to eat later than 9:00 if you can as your body can break down foods better during the day.Fuchsiagenii wrote: »Sugar is BAD. The sugars that we are referring to as being bad are those that are refined and that come in processed foods - cakes, biscuits canned foods and ready made meals, cordials, fizzy drinks, etc.
The full fat yogurt is fine. The low fat yogurts tend to be laden with added sugar.
Your best bet is to go for natural live yogurts (Greek style thick) and add your own soft fruit. If you go for the flavoured yogurts, go for the ones with 3% or less of sugar in them - I was given that advice by my dietician.
Fructose is the sugar that is in fruit. This is fine as long as you eat the whole fruit.
Lactose is milk sugar.
Sugar gives a quick burst of energy and the blood sugars quickly drop. It contains no nutritional value.
Not all fats are bad for us, and the body does need a certain mount of fat to keep healthy and to help with the absorption of the fat soluble vitamins, namely Vitamin D, K, E, A.
NO, NO and NO to all the of the above. The 3 of you have no idea what you are talking about especially Fuchsai. You guys need to stop spreading misinformation and go learn.
This guy, is absolutely correct.0 -
Came here to say "sugar isn't bad"
Saw 5 pages of comments.
I'm so late to the party.0 -
hmcbride68 wrote: »Demonizing food is excuse-promoting, and is phony science. Eggs used to be the bad guy, as was red meat, as was protein, as was cheese and dairy foods, as was pork, as was bacon, as was salt...
As far as the legitimacy of a PhD goes, history is FULL of unbelievably dumb things eventually proven wrong that came out of the bloated ego-stroked minds of "doctors". There are PhD's who believe in fascism, PhD's who believe in UFO aliens, PhD's who believe in ghosts, PhD's who search for bigfoot, PhD's who believe the universe is a couple thousand years old, PhD's who believe in astrology, PhD's who believe world peace is an achievable goal, PhD's who believe certain racial subsets of humans are superior to others, PhD's and MD's who believe children with birth defects should not be allowed to live, There are MD's who believe that cancer can be treated by nothing more than talking to the tumor and playing it soothing music, and on and on and on... College professors are some of the nuttiest people I've ever met, and many of them rely on people who consider themselves lesser thinkers to parrot whatever silly idea they present as "fact" simply because they envy the letters after their name
Sugar is not bad. Having an adversarial relationship with food is unhealthy. It's at the core of why so many people are here seeking advice on how to eat better. Stop telling people that food is bad. It is irresponsible, confusing, wrong, and harmful
10/10 | A***** | Full marks.
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billieljaime wrote: »I had three cookies today..... will I die from the sugarz????
you are already dead….0 -
you died yesterday- what you're confused about are the morgue lights.billieljaime wrote: »I had three cookies today..... will I die from the sugarz????
it's okay- it'll be dark soon.
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Blimey people don't half get wound up on this subject!
I'm standing by my opinion based on the evidence of the last couple of years using MFP, that *for me*, I lose more effectively from the same deficit when I adjust my macros slightly away from carbs and sugar and towards fat.
Whether that means sugar is to be avoided for all I have no idea, but if someone asked me for advice I'd say give controlling it a go!0 -
Oh yeah, exclusion would be painful, and probably counter productive! And I believe the advantage of fresh fruit over refined sugar is that the fibre improves the way the body handles the sugar, or something?
I mean, my 60g of sugars a day tends to get me:
= around 200g of fresh fruit plus 100g of plain full fat yoghurt for breakfast...around 200-250kcal.
= 3-4 cups of tea with milk ( and stevia ;-) )
= A few g left for whatever sugars are contained in my lunch and dinner. If I run or work out more leeway here.
= And if I really burn some calories I may treat myself to some dark chocolate or on weekends even say sod it and order/make some dessert ;-)
So it's as you say, moderation. This all within a roughly 35:40:25 carb, fat, protein ratio and 1800 kcal net.0 -
WOW! I guess yogurt is a touchy subject!! Thank you to those who explained the differences with your knowledge as I obviously have no idea!!! I will go with Greek for now and maybe mix it up a bit sometimes!
I live life on the edge!!! Haha0 -
Yep! Like others have said, eat what you enjoy the most. A calorie deficit will result in weight lossMrsHorton123 wrote: »WOW! I guess yogurt is a touchy subject!! Thank you to those who explained the differences with your knowledge as I obviously have no idea!!! I will go with Greek for now and maybe mix it up a bit sometimes!
I live life on the edge!!! Haha
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Yep! Like others have said, eat what you enjoy the most. A calorie deficit will result in weight lossMrsHorton123 wrote: »WOW! I guess yogurt is a touchy subject!! Thank you to those who explained the differences with your knowledge as I obviously have no idea!!! I will go with Greek for now and maybe mix it up a bit sometimes!
I live life on the edge!!! Haha
Thank you!!! I hope so!!!0 -
Sugar is toxic
"Four Bears Die After Eating 90 Pounds Of Chocolate Donuts http://t.co/tCfYZjyj7Z"0 -
Fuchsiagenii wrote: »Well my dear friends, this evening I have been listening to Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, UCSF Mini Medical School, on the top of "Sugar : The Bitter Truth".
You can listen to his lecture and also listen to "Sugar is Killing Us" by going to http://thetruthaboutsugar.com
And yep, I must admit that fructose that is in fruit is just as bad when consumed without the pulp and without the fibre! But I did say in my post that it is better to eat the whole fruit with the peel rather than drink a fruit juice.
Unfortunately, most of our foods contain "hidden sugars" that are BAD for us.
Way to listen to quacks and totally leave put context and dosage, the hallmark of ignorant Fearmongers0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Fuchsiagenii wrote: »YES, sugar is BAD for us.
And for those of you that do not know - ALL CARBOHYDRATES are converted into GLUCOSE by the body.
Regarding the composition of fruit - I am not a chemist and I too have read the web link that with regard to herrspoons comments "There are three dietery monosaccharides - glucose, fructose and galactose. Lactose, like maltose and sucrose, is a disaccharide."
What I was trying to put across is that eating a whole fruit, although it contains "sugar" has healthy benefits because of the vitamins, antioxidants and fibre that it contains. And drinking fruit juice is not the same as having a whole fruit.
With regard to the sugar content in the yogurts - I was advised by my dietician to go for the ones that contain 3% of sugar or less. Now 3% of any amount is 3% for those of you that do not know your maths. And of course, if you are counting your calorie intake the more you eat the more calories you will have eaten, but the percentage of sugar will still
be 3% of the total that you ate (the carbohydrate of which are sugars will be different).
There was an advert on UK TV last night, with regard to people cutting down on their intake of sugar! A programme a couple of nights ago on UK TV about the Tudors, showed how their health deteriorated because of eating - SUGAR! The sugar caused dreadful tooth decay and because of that, bacteria entered into the blood stream. Their dentistry was not as advanced as ours and they did not have pain killing relief nor any antibiotics. Any rotten teeth were pulled out with no sedation. Most of them had died because of blood poisoning due to getting the rotten teeth (and infections) which was an entry for bacteria from eating too much SUGAR!
Our modern diet consists of too much sugar and sugar in all sorts of products (hidden sugars).
There was also a programme not long ago on UK TV that talked about that sugar is far worse than fat.
Many years ago we were told that butter was no good for us, now we are told that it is better to eat butter than some of the margarines. We were told that fat was bad for us and now we are told there are good fats and bad fats. The good fats are those in fish, nuts, avocado pears and coconuts.
Eating everything in moderation is the key, but with people who have a glucose intolerance or have diabetes, it is even more important to control sugar intake whether this is from simple or complex carbs.
Eating a snickers bar everyday is fine as long as you are eating other healthy foods and are not glucose intolerant or a diabetic.
Please do not post as an authority when it is clear that you are not.
Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.
Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.
Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.
Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.
PBF and in-body test this Saturday.
Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.-2 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Fuchsiagenii wrote: »YES, sugar is BAD for us.
And for those of you that do not know - ALL CARBOHYDRATES are converted into GLUCOSE by the body.
Regarding the composition of fruit - I am not a chemist and I too have read the web link that with regard to herrspoons comments "There are three dietery monosaccharides - glucose, fructose and galactose. Lactose, like maltose and sucrose, is a disaccharide."
What I was trying to put across is that eating a whole fruit, although it contains "sugar" has healthy benefits because of the vitamins, antioxidants and fibre that it contains. And drinking fruit juice is not the same as having a whole fruit.
With regard to the sugar content in the yogurts - I was advised by my dietician to go for the ones that contain 3% of sugar or less. Now 3% of any amount is 3% for those of you that do not know your maths. And of course, if you are counting your calorie intake the more you eat the more calories you will have eaten, but the percentage of sugar will still
be 3% of the total that you ate (the carbohydrate of which are sugars will be different).
There was an advert on UK TV last night, with regard to people cutting down on their intake of sugar! A programme a couple of nights ago on UK TV about the Tudors, showed how their health deteriorated because of eating - SUGAR! The sugar caused dreadful tooth decay and because of that, bacteria entered into the blood stream. Their dentistry was not as advanced as ours and they did not have pain killing relief nor any antibiotics. Any rotten teeth were pulled out with no sedation. Most of them had died because of blood poisoning due to getting the rotten teeth (and infections) which was an entry for bacteria from eating too much SUGAR!
Our modern diet consists of too much sugar and sugar in all sorts of products (hidden sugars).
There was also a programme not long ago on UK TV that talked about that sugar is far worse than fat.
Many years ago we were told that butter was no good for us, now we are told that it is better to eat butter than some of the margarines. We were told that fat was bad for us and now we are told there are good fats and bad fats. The good fats are those in fish, nuts, avocado pears and coconuts.
Eating everything in moderation is the key, but with people who have a glucose intolerance or have diabetes, it is even more important to control sugar intake whether this is from simple or complex carbs.
Eating a snickers bar everyday is fine as long as you are eating other healthy foods and are not glucose intolerant or a diabetic.
Please do not post as an authority when it is clear that you are not.
Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.
Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.
Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.
Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.
PBF and in-body test this Saturday.
Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.
pffff..
oh hey look, its mr I defy physics and math again …
So "people you see" = empirical evidence..sorry bro, not how to works…
I eat 100+ grams of sugar a day and I lost and have kept off 50+ pounds….
before I started my bulk I was 11% bod fat, and was eating sugar every day..
so just stop …seriously….0 -
Sugar sure seems to be a touchy subject! I was surprised to see no one brought up The American Heart Association and their Article on "Sugar and Cardiovascular Disease". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/106/4/523.full
Before you pile up on me I subscribe to the "Sugar in Moderation" eating plan and not the "Complete Exclusion" plan. Both sides of the argument might find some interesting information in the article.0 -
sstolii123 wrote: »Sugar sure seems to be a touchy subject! I was surprised to see no one brought up The American Heart Association and their Article on "Sugar and Cardiovascular Disease". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/106/4/523.full
Before you pile up on me I subscribe to the "Sugar in Moderation" eating plan and not the "Complete Exclusion" plan. Both sides of the argument might find some interesting information in the article.
I glanced at that..will try to read in full either…they seem to be making the connection between obese people, sugar consumption, and heart disease…so yes, obese people would benefit for a diet that is lower in all things, sugar included….0
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