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  • Posts: 467 Member
    emily_stew wrote: »

    Are you aware that MFP Bingo is a thing?

    You must tell me where these cards are that we play with then. In the meanwhile, I'll just sit here and watch all of this unfold.
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  • Posts: 7,463 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »

    NO, NO and NO to all the of the above. The 3 of you have no idea what you are talking about especially Fuchsai. You guys need to stop spreading misinformation and go learn.

    This guy, is absolutely correct.
  • Posts: 258 Member
    Came here to say "sugar isn't bad"
    Saw 5 pages of comments.

    I'm so late to the party.
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  • Posts: 258 Member
    hmcbride68 wrote: »
    Demonizing food is excuse-promoting, and is phony science. Eggs used to be the bad guy, as was red meat, as was protein, as was cheese and dairy foods, as was pork, as was bacon, as was salt...

    As far as the legitimacy of a PhD goes, history is FULL of unbelievably dumb things eventually proven wrong that came out of the bloated ego-stroked minds of "doctors". There are PhD's who believe in fascism, PhD's who believe in UFO aliens, PhD's who believe in ghosts, PhD's who search for bigfoot, PhD's who believe the universe is a couple thousand years old, PhD's who believe in astrology, PhD's who believe world peace is an achievable goal, PhD's who believe certain racial subsets of humans are superior to others, PhD's and MD's who believe children with birth defects should not be allowed to live, There are MD's who believe that cancer can be treated by nothing more than talking to the tumor and playing it soothing music, and on and on and on... College professors are some of the nuttiest people I've ever met, and many of them rely on people who consider themselves lesser thinkers to parrot whatever silly idea they present as "fact" simply because they envy the letters after their name

    Sugar is not bad. Having an adversarial relationship with food is unhealthy. It's at the core of why so many people are here seeking advice on how to eat better. Stop telling people that food is bad. It is irresponsible, confusing, wrong, and harmful

    10/10 | A***** | Full marks.

    ^ everything & all of this^
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  • Posts: 29,136 Member
    I had three cookies today..... will I die from the sugarz????

    you are already dead….
  • Posts: 17,525 Member
    I had three cookies today..... will I die from the sugarz????
    you died yesterday- what you're confused about are the morgue lights.

    it's okay- it'll be dark soon.
  • Posts: 160 Member
    Blimey people don't half get wound up on this subject!

    I'm standing by my opinion based on the evidence of the last couple of years using MFP, that *for me*, I lose more effectively from the same deficit when I adjust my macros slightly away from carbs and sugar and towards fat.

    Whether that means sugar is to be avoided for all I have no idea, but if someone asked me for advice I'd say give controlling it a go!
  • Posts: 160 Member
    Oh yeah, exclusion would be painful, and probably counter productive! And I believe the advantage of fresh fruit over refined sugar is that the fibre improves the way the body handles the sugar, or something?

    I mean, my 60g of sugars a day tends to get me:

    = around 200g of fresh fruit plus 100g of plain full fat yoghurt for breakfast...around 200-250kcal.

    = 3-4 cups of tea with milk ( and stevia ;-) )

    = A few g left for whatever sugars are contained in my lunch and dinner. If I run or work out more leeway here.

    = And if I really burn some calories I may treat myself to some dark chocolate or on weekends even say sod it and order/make some dessert ;-)

    So it's as you say, moderation. This all within a roughly 35:40:25 carb, fat, protein ratio and 1800 kcal net.
  • WOW! I guess yogurt is a touchy subject!! Thank you to those who explained the differences with your knowledge as I obviously have no idea!!! I will go with Greek for now and maybe mix it up a bit sometimes!
    I live life on the edge!!! Haha
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    WOW! I guess yogurt is a touchy subject!! Thank you to those who explained the differences with your knowledge as I obviously have no idea!!! I will go with Greek for now and maybe mix it up a bit sometimes!
    I live life on the edge!!! Haha
    Yep! Like others have said, eat what you enjoy the most. A calorie deficit will result in weight loss
  • PearlAng wrote: »
    Yep! Like others have said, eat what you enjoy the most. A calorie deficit will result in weight loss

    Thank you!!! I hope so!!!
  • Posts: 12,142 Member
    Sugar is toxic
    "Four Bears Die After Eating 90 Pounds Of Chocolate Donuts http://t.co/tCfYZjyj7Z"
  • Posts: 12,142 Member
    Well my dear friends, this evening I have been listening to Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, UCSF Mini Medical School, on the top of "Sugar : The Bitter Truth".

    You can listen to his lecture and also listen to "Sugar is Killing Us" by going to http://thetruthaboutsugar.com

    And yep, I must admit that fructose that is in fruit is just as bad when consumed without the pulp and without the fibre! But I did say in my post that it is better to eat the whole fruit with the peel rather than drink a fruit juice.

    Unfortunately, most of our foods contain "hidden sugars" that are BAD for us.

    Way to listen to quacks and totally leave put context and dosage, the hallmark of ignorant Fearmongers
  • Posts: 491 Member
    herrspoons wrote: »

    Please do not post as an authority when it is clear that you are not.

    Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.

    Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.

    Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.

    Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.

    PBF and in-body test this Saturday.

    Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.
  • Posts: 29,136 Member

    Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.

    Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.

    Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.

    Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.

    PBF and in-body test this Saturday.

    Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.

    pffff..

    oh hey look, its mr I defy physics and math again …

    So "people you see" = empirical evidence..sorry bro, not how to works…

    I eat 100+ grams of sugar a day and I lost and have kept off 50+ pounds….

    before I started my bulk I was 11% bod fat, and was eating sugar every day..

    so just stop …seriously….
  • Posts: 205 Member
    Sugar sure seems to be a touchy subject! I was surprised to see no one brought up The American Heart Association and their Article on "Sugar and Cardiovascular Disease". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/106/4/523.full

    Before you pile up on me I subscribe to the "Sugar in Moderation" eating plan and not the "Complete Exclusion" plan. Both sides of the argument might find some interesting information in the article.
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    sstolii123 wrote: »
    Sugar sure seems to be a touchy subject! I was surprised to see no one brought up The American Heart Association and their Article on "Sugar and Cardiovascular Disease". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/106/4/523.full

    Before you pile up on me I subscribe to the "Sugar in Moderation" eating plan and not the "Complete Exclusion" plan. Both sides of the argument might find some interesting information in the article.

    I glanced at that..will try to read in full either…they seem to be making the connection between obese people, sugar consumption, and heart disease…so yes, obese people would benefit for a diet that is lower in all things, sugar included….
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  • Posts: 12,142 Member

    Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.

    Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.

    Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.

    Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.

    PBF and in-body test this Saturday.

    Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.

    Ah yes claims others are shills, a sure sign of ignorance on the subject

    Well since you never have personally met someone who was fat who ate veggies fruits and "good" proteins, then it must be true.

    Those berries and bananas are processed sugar based foods, oops
  • Posts: 12,142 Member
    sstolii123 wrote: »
    Sugar sure seems to be a touchy subject! I was surprised to see no one brought up The American Heart Association and their Article on "Sugar and Cardiovascular Disease". http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/106/4/523.full

    Before you pile up on me I subscribe to the "Sugar in Moderation" eating plan and not the "Complete Exclusion" plan. Both sides of the argument might find some interesting information in the article.

    LOL

    "As with most other dietary constituents, long-term trial data relating sugar consumption to the development of CVD events are unavailable. Longitudinal cohort studies relating sugar consumption to CVD are equivocal because of the many potential confounders that cannot be adequately controlled in the analyses. "
  • Posts: 19,809 Member

    Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.

    Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.

    Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.

    Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.

    PBF and in-body test this Saturday.

    Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.

    Checked out your diary (despite not being a Sugar Bot - whatever that is!).
    Scoops and cups do not suggest an accurate diary let alone one on which to base outlandish claims.
    Quite a lot of sugar in there too although you don't track it.
  • Posts: 2,925 Member
    sijomial wrote: »

    Checked out your diary (despite not being a Sugar Bot - whatever that is!).
    Scoops and cups do not suggest an accurate diary let alone one on which to base outlandish claims.
    Quite a lot of sugar in there too although you don't track it.
    BOOM! BOOYAH!
  • Posts: 13,575 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    No, she just seemed defensive or guilty about the fact that she eats yogurt.

    Which, again, suggests that this anti sugar stuff is way out of hand.

    Asking for opinions on what others think is best for weight loss = defensive and guilty?? Wow!
  • Posts: 227 Member
    Love sugar!!
  • Posts: 13,575 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »

    this is a snippet from her OP ..

    "Now, I understand sugar is BAD however…"

    she's aid sugar is bad and capitalized it…so how is that benign????

    or do you just nit pick to nit pick?

    It seems to me that others are nit picking for the sake of nit picking. The post was about which option of yogurt we thought was better to facilitate weight loss.

    Yet the usual "don't deomonize sugar" crowd chooses to nit pick that one remark, which really had little to do with her question, just so they could preach their usual sermon.
  • Posts: 289 Member
    the only thing that gets MFP more fired up than a cauliflower substitution recipe is a thread about sugar. I'm grateful, as it gives me something entertaining to read on my lunch break. I'm chewing a massive turkey sandwich on wholemeal with rocket and-gasp- brie and cranberry sauce! I'm also contemplating how terrible that fat and sugar is for tasting delicious, helping me hit my macro goals for today and fuelling my run in a few hours... oh wait...
  • Posts: 10,555 Member

    Look in the mirror. You and some of the other Sugar Bots on here are living paid mouthpieces for the industry. She hit it right on the nose.

    Oh btw - losing weight again and eating at greater volumes than if I ate a diet full of sugar with less caloric intake.

    Never met anyone with large amounts of visceral fat who ate a steady diet of veggies, fruit, and good protein. I see people daily who eat processed food loaded with sugar with an abundance of fat on them. Empirically, it's very obvious.

    Physical is coming for you naysayers - early February - scheduled.

    PBF and in-body test this Saturday.

    Check out my diary - living proof that refraining from processed sugar-based foods works and allows me to eat at greater volumes - caloric intake included.
    I bet your consuming less overall, but the blame game works too. It also looks like you believe some protein sources are suspect. I wonder which other food sources you believe are the cause of your weight loss journey now, because it certainly isn't your fault you ate too much, right.

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