Body Positive or Promoting an unhealthy lifestyle
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LOL @ the effyourbeautystandards crap. The only beauty standard she is "effing" is morbid obesity. She goes out of her way to conform to every other beauty standard out there with her hair, nails, poses. And what clothes does she sell? Most of the pictures I've seen of her she is wearing as little as possible. She appeals to fat fetishists and delusional obese females.
Fat is not inert.0 -
Oh yes, and did some of you actually read the article? It says that she works with a personal trainer 4 times a week. I haven't seen any comments acknowledging that so far.0
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This story reminds me of the TV show, "My Big Fat Fabulous Life". The gal has a disorder that makes her obese, however she's trying to lose the weight... I think it's great that both gals are comfortable in there own skin, but for their own health care, I'm happy they are also working out!0
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Lauren5280 wrote: »I think it is promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. Let's face it we're all here to get healthy/fit, etc. This is contrary to what we're all trying to accomplish. You can love who you are without deciding it is okay to remain morbidly obese. We're all here striving to do better, be better.... I think we can all agree it is the right course to take. I would like to see this girl make the same effort.
I'm here to get healthier - more energy, decreased anxiety, stronger body. I am *not* here to become more beautiful. I'm already effing adorable
She is there as a sign of beauty at any size. You can argue with her health if you want to, but this should be seperate from your assessment of her ability to be seen as beautiful.
I think she's gorgeous.
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as if there aren't skinny models/celebs/people who starve themselves and take pills and *kitten* to stay thin. talk about unhealthy physically and (especially) mentally. the hypocrisy is crazy.0
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I have followed Tess Munster for a couple of years, she is *kitten* gorgeous!0
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The fact is that there are plenty of women her size. Those women buy clothes and beauty products. The purpose of a model is to sell clothes and beauty products. It is difficult to sell clothes to someone without showing them what the clothing might look like on them. This is less about "acceptance" and "beauty standards" than it is simple commerce.0
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^^^homemademama wrote: »
I'm already effing adorable
I was just telling my boyfriend that I'm pretty damn proud of myself for never having low self-esteem considering I've been fat my entire life. The only thing I have a problem with is my nose when I catch a profile from pictures or a glance in the mirror, but even then, it's not that big a deal for me.
And I'm all about that "effyourbeautystandards" thing. I don't want anymore grief about not shaving!0 -
I should have stated in my original post, that I am not trying to say in any way that she shouldn't have self esteem or she should be ashamed. I am trying to highlight that she is POSSIBLY unhealthy or at least people who are this much overweight are sometimes not very healthy. I believe I am far from a fat shamer but like some other posters here, I think anything on either extreme (underweight or overweight) is not always promoting a healthy lifestyle.0
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MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
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ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
Stores have what sells. Or what didn't sell and got left over.
And markets follow trends of need to a large extent. Size is just that.
Even in "skinny" Paris there a lots of shops for "grande tailles" (large sizes) - these might start a bit smaller than in the US but they are there. And everyone, sometimes, has a hard time finding their size. Personally had to go to 12 shops to finding my running shoes in my size, but I'm not being a victim of sizing popularity.
If one is in the upper/lower ranges in weight, height, shoe size and have difficulty finding articles to wear boo hoo, that is just the way it is. One deals with it, at least with weight, you may choose to do something about it. If not, mail order and specialty stores abound. Do what you will, but designers are not obligated to make all sizes.
Now there are awful people attacking this women or making terrible disparaging remarks about her and others, they deserve a quick throat punch/golf club/cat poop in their coffee.
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Some people will find her attractive, some people won't. It's life, it is what it is
I couldn't care less about whether or not she is considered attractive, and quite frankly, neither should she. What she should care about, however, is that she is morbidly obese and at a huge risk of several fatal medical conditions unless she does something about it.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
Stores have what sells. Or what didn't sell and got left over.
And markets follow trends of need to a large extent. Size is just that.
Even in "skinny" Paris there a lots of shops for "grande tailles" (large sizes) - these might start a bit smaller than in the US but they are there. And everyone, sometimes, has a hard time finding their size. Personally had to go to 12 shops to finding my running shoes in my size, but I'm not being a victim of sizing popularity.
If one is in the upper/lower ranges in weight, height, shoe size and have difficulty finding articles to wear boo hoo, that is just the way it is. One deals with it, at least with weight, you may choose to do something about it. If not, mail order and specialty stores abound. Do what you will, but designers are not obligated to make all sizes.
Now there are awful people attacking this women or making terrible disparaging remarks about her and others, they deserve a quick throat punch/golf club/cat poop in their coffee.
i was answering the woman who said maybe they should make it harder to get clothes in bigger sizes and that if we were made to wear tarps maybe we would be motivated to lose weight, geez
want a list of those countrys then please ask her
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »The fact is that there are plenty of women her size. Those women buy clothes and beauty products. The purpose of a model is to sell clothes and beauty products. It is difficult to sell clothes to someone without showing them what the clothing might look like on them. This is less about "acceptance" and "beauty standards" than it is simple commerce.
Unfortunately, I think that's flipped a little bit. It's easier to sell women clothes that will be absolutely fugly on them by putting them in the catalog or on the website on a size 8 model. I'm curious to see if this has an impact on how those clothes are being designed, especially now that all the different brands are being bought up by one company. If I had to guess, though, probably half the Catherine's/LB current catalog would look like crap on her, just like it would on anyone larger than a 12.0 -
ruqayyahsmum wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
Stores have what sells. Or what didn't sell and got left over.
And markets follow trends of need to a large extent. Size is just that.
Even in "skinny" Paris there a lots of shops for "grande tailles" (large sizes) - these might start a bit smaller than in the US but they are there. And everyone, sometimes, has a hard time finding their size. Personally had to go to 12 shops to finding my running shoes in my size, but I'm not being a victim of sizing popularity.
If one is in the upper/lower ranges in weight, height, shoe size and have difficulty finding articles to wear boo hoo, that is just the way it is. One deals with it, at least with weight, you may choose to do something about it. If not, mail order and specialty stores abound. Do what you will, but designers are not obligated to make all sizes.
Now there are awful people attacking this women or making terrible disparaging remarks about her and others, they deserve a quick throat punch/golf club/cat poop in their coffee.
i was answering the woman who said maybe they should make it harder to get clothes in bigger sizes and that if we were made to wear tarps maybe we would be motivated to lose weight, geez
want a list of those countrys then please ask her
I quoted you, but the question remains for her. Or you, if you believe her post.
But if you don't believe her post - do you think you are being singled out by stores?
Of my daughters - I have one that is overweight and another that is on the skinnier than average side. They will each swear that the other has an easier time finding clothes - whenever I go with them it's pretty much the same difficulty. Perception is a funny thing.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
China I believe?0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
China I believe?
Alright, but if we start comparing Asian sizes to Western sizes it is a sure-fire way to get everyone on this forum depressed.
That said, Japan did sort of "forbid" waistlines over a certain measure. I can't find any source with more reliability than just rumours though, so I don't know the details.0 -
Be "Body Positive" as much as you want...while filling up that insulin needle and testing your blood glucose.
At some point, the denial borders on delusional, that being fat is fine.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
China I believe?
BS.
My mother (now gone) lived there (Shanghai) for 3 years - she was then a little overweight.
She needed a bra - so she drew a bra and her chauffeur took her where these things are bought. The sales lady showed her a couple of models but they were too small. So my mother went with the sign language to show it was for her and she wanted them BIG. Like her boobs. Giggling ensued.
The sales lady left and called another sales lady and then the owner. Not because they were going to get her the right size - just to have a good laugh. Because they didn't have her size. My mom found it hilarious.
I was there again last year - no tarps to be seen.
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GingerbreadCandy wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
China I believe?
Alright, but if we start comparing Asian sizes to Western sizes it is a sure-fire way to get everyone on this forum depressed.
That said, Japan did sort of "forbid" waistlines over a certain measure. I can't find any source with more reliability than just rumours though, so I don't know the details.
Was this the all powerful Ministry of Waistlines and Foot Binding?
Again, no. No tarps there for the obese.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »GingerbreadCandy wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »MireyGal76 wrote: »
Big people shouldn't be relegated to wearing tarps because the current market doesn't "like" the way they look!
Or America could follow other country leads and make it hard to find clothes above a size 14 or 16. That way, people might be a bit more motivated to lose weight, if they actually had to wear tarps because they are too big.
I don't think it's ok to give the message that you can be morbidly obese like that woman and that it's ok. It's just not ok. And no, I don't like skinny models either, but at least they are 20-30 pounds from a normal weight... not 200+.
well i guess i better get down to millets and buy a tent then.
i dont need motivation from being forced to dress like im a freak. ive lost 165lb and still dont fit under your size catagory
why dont i deserve to dress nicely and comfortably? why should i be singled out because im bigger?
i gained weight as a combo of health problems and being attacked when younger so i gained as a protection. im losing now for my health but ill damn well dress nicely and hold my head up high while i work my way down the scale
What countries are forcing fat women to wear tarps. In all my travels, I've never been there.
Could I get a list? Or is this just fanciful victimhood?
China I believe?
Alright, but if we start comparing Asian sizes to Western sizes it is a sure-fire way to get everyone on this forum depressed.
That said, Japan did sort of "forbid" waistlines over a certain measure. I can't find any source with more reliability than just rumours though, so I don't know the details.
Was this the all powerful Ministry of Waistlines and Foot Binding?
Again, no. No tarps there for the obese.
Nah, it was a bit more complex than that and did not really have anything to do with tarps or clothing.
This is pretty much the only more or less reliable article i could find on it: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?em&ex=1213502400&en=c6f2623fbee96495&ei=5087
ETA: Foot binding was also never a Japanese practice.0 -
I am SOOOOOO glad to see these comments here. Man, this woman has been in the news due to this and I'm so tired of the fat bashers. It's downright shameful. I'm a size 20 (which actually makes me question whether or not she is really a size 22; she seems bigger than I am; but she's also much shorter). I've been this way my entire life. I have PCOS and thyroid disorder and try to live each day healthily. I exercise. I eat well 95% of the time. I do what I can with what I have, and I am so effing sick and tired of people assuming that big girls just sit around eating Twinkies and chicken McNuggets all day long. I do think a poor diet in childhood made me who I am today, but I refuse to shame myself over it. I'm here to be healthy, not to make others happy. I hope Tess feels that way too. There are many ways to work toward health, and weight loss is only one. Not fighting yourself but rather fighting FOR yourself is key. I don't know her story, but I know mine-- and I'll never be a size 5. Hell, I'll probably never be a size 10. And that's OK for me. I love myself as is and I wish other women would too.0
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Some of the responses here disappoint me greatly.
I don't believe she is promoting an unhealthy lifestyle in the way that thinner models sometimes can. And here's why- thin models are by far the majority, while "plus-size" models are definitely the minority. Unless you specifically shop at plus-size stores, or look for this type of thing, what are you likely to see? Thin women.
Society stigmatizes fat people to such a great extent I don't believe it's possible for plus-size models or the fat acceptance movement to change people to the extent posters seem to be suggesting. To say that introducing plus-size models can influence people as much as the absolute smorgasbord of societal bias toward thinness can and does is ridiculous.
And to say that society should make finding plus-sizes harder- I just don't get it. In the first place, plus-size clothing is already hard to find, much less plus-size clothing that one would actually want to wear. Sure, there are stores that specifically cater to plus-sizes, but if you walk into your typical "normal" person clothing store, good luck finding something attractive that fits. It is immensely easier for thin/slim people to find something that fits, even in the U.S, which I believe is relatively more accepting of overweight people than other countries.
Secondly, why should we make clothing hard to find just because people are a bigger size? Fat people are still people. Fat people still need the basic life necessities and they have feelings whether they are trying to lose weight or they are fine being fat for life. I distinctly remember hating shopping, crying in the dressing room because nothing fit. This did not "inspire" me to lose weight. Actually, learning to love myself and my body lead me to make the decision to lose weight. Hatred isn't a very good motivator. It may work for a while, but why would a person put so much effort into making something they hate healthier and better?
I think the majority of the people on this forum were "fat" at one point, and it astounds me that any of us could put stock into the opinion that fat people should be treated differently. It's not about health, it's about basic human decency. Treat others as you would like to be treated.0 -
Well at least she's actually plus size. I keep seeing women smaller than me (I'm size 6) as models for size 14+ stores and it pisses me off.
Personally? I'd go shop at that store.
That being said, I think there's a very fine line between being 'happy with your body no matter what' and denial.
Very well said Francl27. I agree with that.0 -
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arditarose wrote: »msjessicamccoy wrote: »Some people are larger and have healthy lifestyles. Some people are smaller and have healthy lifestyles. Some people are larger and have unhealthy lifestyles. Some people are smaller and have unhealthy lifestyles.
Size is not the best indicator of health or healthy lifestyle.
To a certain extent.
Yup. I'm not sure you'd find a lot of morbidly obese people that are healthy overall.
took the words out my mouth. So like how people want to be the so called ED model are some people going to want to be morbidly obese because a model is? That not goods. Are there any advantages to being morbidly obese because I know one none. I know several disadvantages though.
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seltzermint wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »It's all good if you don't mind panting like a hound after a flight of stairs... I don't mean to sound harsh at all and this has nothing to do with her looks or her confidence. Being a size 20 is just bad for your heart... and the notion that someone size 20 is "as healthy" as lower weight women (barring other health factors) is just not true. I am not trying to trash her by any means... I need to lose weight myself, but I am also a realist.
I was a size 20 when I started this whole thing, and I assure you that I never panted like a dog.
Yes. Isn't it offensive when people assume? I feel similarly when I read about sweating & chafing. WTF
It's offensive for me to share my personal experience as a morbidly obese woman? I did experience sweating and chaffing...and "panting like a dog" at light activity. I'm glad for you that you didn't, but my experience was just different, unfortunately.
What IS offensive is that people actually say you can not judge "health" by body weight. Maybe in certain cases, but that is certainly the exception and NOT the rule. If it were the rule, obesity (or obesity related disease) would not be the number one cause of preventable death in this country and we would not all be here wanting to do something different for ourselves.
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I'm all for loving yourself no matter what. If you don't love yourself then what's the point. Your value is not in what you look like or how much you weigh.
I also have no problem with an actual plus sized "plus size" model. Put those clothes on some who actually looks like the target population, thank you.
I do have a problem with her "effyourbeautystandards" campaign. I'm noticing a lot of makeup, hair dos, trendy clothing, and even, gasp, shaved legs & underarms for someone who's trying to rebel against the current standards of beauty. Someone who doesn't care about beauty standards is someone who doesn't try to conform to beauty standards. Like my friends who don't ever wear makeup, or have shaved their heads, or dress modestly in long skirts and zero cleavage ever. That's effing the beauty standards.0 -
racheljonel wrote: »seltzermint wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »It's all good if you don't mind panting like a hound after a flight of stairs... I don't mean to sound harsh at all and this has nothing to do with her looks or her confidence. Being a size 20 is just bad for your heart... and the notion that someone size 20 is "as healthy" as lower weight women (barring other health factors) is just not true. I am not trying to trash her by any means... I need to lose weight myself, but I am also a realist.
I was a size 20 when I started this whole thing, and I assure you that I never panted like a dog.
Yes. Isn't it offensive when people assume? I feel similarly when I read about sweating & chafing. WTF
It's offensive for me to share my personal experience as a morbidly obese woman? I did experience sweating and chaffing...and "panting like a dog" at light activity. I'm glad for you that you didn't, but my experience was just different, unfortunately.
What IS offensive is that people actually say you can not judge "health" by body weight. Maybe in certain cases, but that is certainly the exception and NOT the rule. If it were the rule, obesity (or obesity related disease) would not be the number one cause of preventable death in this country and we would not all be here wanting to do something different for ourselves.
Thank you, exactly...0 -
you can absolutely be body positive and health focused. Self-acceptance is a GREAT place to be coming from to make gradual and sustainable health changes. NOT doing yo-yo dieting is a very good health move. As I track, work out, and lose weight, I am MORE positive about my body just as it is.
I do think some of these girls who are all about body acceptance and being so healthy at any size are frankly too young to really understand the effects excess weight can have over time. I was a very healthy 25 year old at 200+, but at 35 years old the consequences are much clearer. But then again, my excess weight clearly stemmed from very unhealthy behaviors such as binge eating and being sedentary, but that is not the case for all people with excess weight.0
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