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For greek yogurt, I don't shy away from the full-fat (5%) versions. Fat makes me feel full, for 120 calories I'll take it. What kind I end up with usually depends on what's on sale though.0
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reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
I know you're being sarcastic but I just wanted to say, if people's bodies can't tell what kind of sugar it is, how come some people are lactose intolerant but not fructose intolerant?
But I'm not being sarcastic. I really am trying to learn this, particularly the mysteries of the liver and pancreas. It's already confusing enough without people lumping all types of sugar together and saying my body doesn't know the difference!
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Becky170467 wrote: »Fage - Total 0% Fat Greek Yogurt With Honey, 1 container (170g)
- Wrong
- 32g of SUGAR !!! 184 calories !!!
I was bummed to find out almost all yogurt is a dessert! Probably because we all bought into the advertising that it was "health food". grrrr.
I've found a few plain organic brands I can add to my smoothies, but I do not eat a whole container or have it every day!
Here is a funny article - 12 "health" foods with more sugar than a Krispy Kreme.
Spoiler alert: Yogurt sucks
http://www.takepart.com/photos/shocking-sugar-stats
Just grab some fruit or oatmeal!
Tells OP to swap one source of sugar for another source of sugar....
0% fat and has honey....yeah its going to have sugar...0 -
I abhor demonizing one particular food group as the primary driver of over consumption and obesity ..
people are overweight because they consume too many calories, period.0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
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18 grams of protein, yo. I eat this every day.0
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Becky170467 wrote: »Fage - Total 0% Fat Greek Yogurt With Honey, 1 container (170g)
- Wrong
- 32g of SUGAR !!! 184 calories !!!
I'm shocked something with honey has a lot of sugar
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Becky170467 wrote: »Fage - Total 0% Fat Greek Yogurt With Honey, 1 container (170g)
- Wrong
- 32g of SUGAR !!! 184 calories !!!
I'm shocked something with honey has a lot of sugar
I am wearing the contents of my water bottle now.0 -
I think it's better to focus on the macros than the micros, as they are far more important. It's also infinitely better to enjoy what you're eating, and not stress yourself out over minor details. As someone else pointed out, the sugar content shouldn't be a concern, unless you have a medical condition that is complicated by excessive sugar consumption.
Focusing on the protein you got from the yogurt you clearly enjoyed is a better mindset than worrying about something so small.
Also, not all sugar is created equal, and your body knows the difference. Sugar derived from produce (fructose) won't be metabolized in the same way the refined sugar from that ice cream you had after you got home from work. With that said, eating a thousand grapes or five whole honeydew melons will definitely throw you off-track.0 -
kcmccormack wrote: »http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/health-effects-of-sugar?page=2
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-allcrystalflame wrote: »kcmccormack wrote: »Maybe I just don't see the purpose in defending foods high in gs of sugar just cause it fits your calorie allocation. What's the point in getting "healthier" if you're not getting healthier?
Because you can still have a healthy diet overall that incorporates sugar. Demonizing a particular food group just leads to problems. People cut it out entirely when eating it in moderation would make them happy and let them enjoy life more. People guilt-trip themselves the way the OP is doing because they ate something "bad." Sugar is not bad. Eating nothing but sugar and ignoring all the other nutrients you need would be bad, but having yogurt that's a little on the sugary side shouldn't be something anyone feels guilty over. THAT'S not healthy.
I'm not saying tear yourself a new one out of guilt, but I'm saying I agree with her that it's not healthy and sugar IS bad for you. Fact. There's so much retarded claims on MFP from ppl who don't know anything about nutrition that say "eat whatever you want as long as it fits into your calories" or "who cares if you're in a deficit". Seriously? It's not just about losing weight, it's about NUTRITION and feeding your body the right thing.
I never said cut it out 100% or to guilt trip the #&$@ out of yourself, but ppl ridicule posters on MFP for being vigilant about the ingredients in what they chose to eat as if it doesn't matter as long as your calories are straight. It's absurd to me.
Ironic post is ironic.
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_dracarys_ wrote: »Becky170467 wrote: »Fage - Total 0% Fat Greek Yogurt With Honey, 1 container (170g)
- Wrong
- 32g of SUGAR !!! 184 calories !!!
I'm shocked something with honey has a lot of sugar
I am wearing the contents of my water bottle now.
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kcmccormack wrote: »http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/health-effects-of-sugar?page=2
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-allcrystalflame wrote: »kcmccormack wrote: »Maybe I just don't see the purpose in defending foods high in gs of sugar just cause it fits your calorie allocation. What's the point in getting "healthier" if you're not getting healthier?
Because you can still have a healthy diet overall that incorporates sugar. Demonizing a particular food group just leads to problems. People cut it out entirely when eating it in moderation would make them happy and let them enjoy life more. People guilt-trip themselves the way the OP is doing because they ate something "bad." Sugar is not bad. Eating nothing but sugar and ignoring all the other nutrients you need would be bad, but having yogurt that's a little on the sugary side shouldn't be something anyone feels guilty over. THAT'S not healthy.
I'm not saying tear yourself a new one out of guilt, but I'm saying I agree with her that it's not healthy and sugar IS bad for you. Fact. There's so much retarded claims on MFP from ppl who don't know anything about nutrition that say "eat whatever you want as long as it fits into your calories" or "who cares if you're in a deficit". Seriously? It's not just about losing weight, it's about NUTRITION and feeding your body the right thing.
I never said cut it out 100% or to guilt trip the #&$@ out of yourself, but ppl ridicule posters on MFP for being vigilant about the ingredients in what they chose to eat as if it doesn't matter as long as your calories are straight. It's absurd to me.
Not sure why you would post anti science links to support your claim "sugar is bad for you"
Also fantastic job of leaving out context and dosage to that statement. Too little sugar is also bad for you and is essential to human life0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
so by that logic if I add table sugar to Metamucil it is then bad because added sugar, or is it good because fiber???0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
so by that logic if I add table sugar to Metamucil it is then bad because added sugar, or is it good because fiber???
You will never answer my questions, will you?0 -
kcmccormack wrote: »http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/health-effects-of-sugar?page=2
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-allcrystalflame wrote: »kcmccormack wrote: »Maybe I just don't see the purpose in defending foods high in gs of sugar just cause it fits your calorie allocation. What's the point in getting "healthier" if you're not getting healthier?
Because you can still have a healthy diet overall that incorporates sugar. Demonizing a particular food group just leads to problems. People cut it out entirely when eating it in moderation would make them happy and let them enjoy life more. People guilt-trip themselves the way the OP is doing because they ate something "bad." Sugar is not bad. Eating nothing but sugar and ignoring all the other nutrients you need would be bad, but having yogurt that's a little on the sugary side shouldn't be something anyone feels guilty over. THAT'S not healthy.
I'm not saying tear yourself a new one out of guilt, but I'm saying I agree with her that it's not healthy and sugar IS bad for you. Fact. There's so much retarded claims on MFP from ppl who don't know anything about nutrition that say "eat whatever you want as long as it fits into your calories" or "who cares if you're in a deficit". Seriously? It's not just about losing weight, it's about NUTRITION and feeding your body the right thing.
I never said cut it out 100% or to guilt trip the #&$@ out of yourself, but ppl ridicule posters on MFP for being vigilant about the ingredients in what they chose to eat as if it doesn't matter as long as your calories are straight. It's absurd to me.
I've never seen a single person on MFP claim you should "eat whatever you want" or "who cares." I've seen a lot of people make the true statement that all that matters for weight loss is a calorie deficit. However, none of those people advocate eating nothing but Twinkies, and most of those people get the bulk of their calories from nutritionally dense food. They very much care about their macros and micros. However, they also eat sugar in reasonable amounts, because it fits within their goals, and they're not eating it at an unhealthy dosage. Oh, and the people I assume you're referring to know a ton about nutrition and biochemistry. I learn a lot reading what they post.
The articles you linked don't prove sugar is bad - the first is written by someone who pulls what he wants from inconclusive studies to fearmonger, and on several points he's straight-up wrong. The WebMD article mentions research investigating a possible link between cholestoral and sugar, but nothing is proven yet. It also says MULTIPLE TIMES that the problem is overconsumption of CALORIES, not sugar. And the third one isn't a peer-reviewed study and doesn't have sources, so...no.
Sugar is not bad. Fact. Sugar is a neutral entity. It is unhealthy to overconsume it, but sugar is not unhealthy on its own. There's no reason to demonize it. Just eat it in moderation and at an appropriate dosage, as you should with anything.0 -
So if I buy the yogurt that you fold the container in half to dump in the fruit or honey (depending on which you buy), is that "added sugar"?reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
Is that how you are supposed to do that? Fold the container in half? Jeebus I feel stupid. I have been trying to scoop it from the dry side into the yogurt side with my spoon and making a heck of a mess in the process....
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As far as I've always known, any type of sugar IS sugar, regardless of where it comes from, be it fruit or cane, or honey or otherwise.
However, due to varying glycemic indexes for various types of food, this may effect a person, and I personally try to seek out things that are low GI, because I don't like the sugar crash feeling I get. In my opinion, though, every body is different, and ymmv.
This doesn't mean I don't indulge in 't3h evil white sugar' filled candies from time to time. Everything in moderation. (Obviously and unfortunately excluding those with diabetes and food allergies)
And to echo what some other people have said to the OP, Fage itself isn't unhealthy. Greek yogurt is a nutritional powerhouse! I'd try one of the 2% or the original Fage Total, and put a sprinkle of almonds with a drizzle of honey on top if you can't stomach it plain.0 -
So if I buy the yogurt that you fold the container in half to dump in the fruit or honey (depending on which you buy), is that "added sugar"?reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
no because honey is good, so that would be OK..
Now, if you add table sugar to the yogurt it is then "bad"...
you really need to get these rules down ...:)
Argh. I thought for sure I was on the right track. Add sugar to yogurt = added sugar. But no, that's crazy talk!
Has someone started a rules thread yet because this is just too confusing?! I need a spread sheet...
OMG a visio flow chart with rules for whether or not a food is good or bad. Why didn't we think of this sooner!? We will be rich, rich I tell you!
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emily_stew wrote: »
So if I buy the yogurt that you fold the container in half to dump in the fruit or honey (depending on which you buy), is that "added sugar"?reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
Is that how you are supposed to do that? Fold the container in half? Jeebus I feel stupid. I have been trying to scoop it from the dry side into the yogurt side with my spoon and making a heck of a mess in the process....
I just fold it over, though I also end up making a mess either way.
I think they were designed to just piss people off. Of course, I eat one with even more evil - artificial sweeteners. I love the lite and fit greek vanilla...0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
so by that logic if I add table sugar to Metamucil it is then bad because added sugar, or is it good because fiber???
You will never answer my questions, will you?
well you moved the goal posts and never answered mine..so consider us even.0 -
This.rainbowbow wrote: »
1 serving (126g) Is 88 calories and.... *GASP* 20g of sugar!
My point is... you shouldn't demonize the food you just ate. I mean come on, you had yogurt WITH HONEY are you really suprised by the "sugar content" when you were adding straight honey to the yogurt?
I know fage has plain 0% or plain 2% yogurt that are by themselves without the little flavoring cup on the side. Maybe try those next time if you absolutely cannot have sugar due to some health reason.
When I buy the ones with honey in them (always the 2% because it's just so much creamier than the 0%), I only use the amount of honey I actually want in my yogurt. If the whole thing is too sweet (which for me, it is), I only use a spoonful and leave the rest, or, since I've already logged it, add it to my morning tea.
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emily_stew wrote: »
So if I buy the yogurt that you fold the container in half to dump in the fruit or honey (depending on which you buy), is that "added sugar"?reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
Is that how you are supposed to do that? Fold the container in half? Jeebus I feel stupid. I have been trying to scoop it from the dry side into the yogurt side with my spoon and making a heck of a mess in the process....
I just fold it over, though I also end up making a mess either way.
I thought you were supposed to like... dollar bill snort it. Well... shows you what I know.
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reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
so by that logic if I add table sugar to Metamucil it is then bad because added sugar, or is it good because fiber???
You will never answer my questions, will you?
well you moved the goal posts and never answered mine..so consider us even.
So either you don't know the answer or don't want to answer. Gotcha. Even steven, won't waste any more time asking you.0 -
reachingforarainbow wrote: »So while its not always best to eat packaged sweetened yogurt (better to add it yourself, probably have less sugar), its not really that big of a deal. That sugar is looking at natural and added sugar. This is why it should be separated out (into natural and added sugar). It is accounting for lactose, which is a sugar. In regular nonfat, unsweetened milk, in a cup there is 12 grams of sugar... It's really only bad if its added sugar
ahhh yes the evil added sugars....your body does not distinguish between added sugar and natural sugar it is all the same at the molecular level....
Really? My body has no clue when I eat fructose with or without fiber? And it has no clue about the differences between fructose, glucose, and lactose?
If you're right, I'm wasting my time. If you're incorrect, then I should know any differences, too, and food labels should differentiate for us.
are sugar molecules different?
Does the liver treat different sugars differently or not? Does the digestive system act different in any way when we eat high fiber with fructose than when we don't?
so by that logic if I add table sugar to Metamucil it is then bad because added sugar, or is it good because fiber???
You will never answer my questions, will you?
well you moved the goal posts and never answered mine..so consider us even.
So either you don't know the answer or don't want to answer. Gotcha. Even steven, won't waste any more time asking you.
LOL how ironic...
the feeling is mutual.
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kcmccormack wrote: »You can make alot of your own "healthier" versions of granola bars or cookies by using fruit purees or vegetable purees in your baking and staying away from honeys, agave or other sweeteners instead of placing your faith in whatever snack some huge corporation MARKETED as "healthy" that's packed with garbage like high fructose corn syrup, refined sugars or whatever else they put in there. You can satisfy your sweet tooth without buying stuff that's sweetened to the nth degree for you.
But . . .. but the HFCS and sugar in those foods "makes it taste better!"
Yeah, right. IMO there is no need to have HFCS or added sugar in my blue cheese dressing or my spaghetti sauce (hence the reason I make my own). It tastes much better without it.
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crystalflame wrote: »
I've never seen a single person on MFP claim you should "eat whatever you want" or "who cares." I've seen a lot of people make the true statement that all that matters for weight loss is a calorie deficit. However, none of those people advocate eating nothing but Twinkies, and most of those people get the bulk of their calories from nutritionally dense food. They very much care about their macros and micros. However, they also eat sugar in reasonable amounts, because it fits within their goals, and they're not eating it at an unhealthy dosage. Oh, and the people I assume you're referring to know a ton about nutrition and biochemistry. I learn a lot reading what they post.
The articles you linked don't prove sugar is bad - the first is written by someone who pulls what he wants from inconclusive studies to fearmonger, and on several points he's straight-up wrong. The WebMD article mentions research investigating a possible link between cholestoral and sugar, but nothing is proven yet. It also says MULTIPLE TIMES that the problem is overconsumption of CALORIES, not sugar. And the third one isn't a peer-reviewed study and doesn't have sources, so...no.
Sugar is not bad. Fact. Sugar is a neutral entity. It is unhealthy to overconsume it, but sugar is not unhealthy on its own. There's no reason to demonize it. Just eat it in moderation and at an appropriate dosage, as you should with anything.
You... you are smart and awesome and all of that good stuff. *High Five*!0
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