The Truth about Calorie Restriction
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
I'm not a low carber. I have been eating flexibly since I started.0 -
determined24girl wrote: »I feel like someone made a new profile to back themselves up.....
That would be funny. But no, i just stumbled upon this thread and felt like i should back this girl up since she was getting so much hate
The funny thing is that you felt compelled to defend yourself against the accusation although you were never mentioned. The OP isn't getting any "hate" ... but just like you makes claims that they do not or cannot support with science.0 -
When i first got a glimps of this lifestyle, i did a ton of research for months to figure out whether this is right or not for me. Im not gonna do the work for you.
If you are going to spout something that goes against common sense and science, you need to be able to back it up. That is not doing other's work for them.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
I'm not a low carber. I have been eating flexibly since I started.
zooom
Not my point. but okay.0 -
Only on MFP are so few so insistent on being so wrong...0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:0 -
... everyone's recommended calories are 1200 on MFP if they choose sedentary and 2lb/week. And apparently now it's a glitch regardless of the goal you pick. MFP isn't all-knowing, it's a goddamn calculator that spews out numbers based on the information you give it, and does not even account for exercise in those equations.mamapeach910 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
Basically, i eat as much as i feel like and listen to my body. Sometimes i crave only light veggies and fruit, and sometimes lots of starches.
Can you please explain the physics behind this?
*Also, 1200 calories is not "recommended" across the board. This is the minimum that anyone should ever be eating. Most people should be eating more calories than that.
Sorry, my mistake. To lose weight, it is recommended for my to eat 1200. I eat anywhere between 2000-3000 depending on how i feel.
If you look into 'the starch solution' all the research is there.
To me, it just makes sense. Im fuelling my body and brain with glucose, without sugar rushes/crashes because of the natural fibre. Im getting in waaay more nutrition because of all the fruits and vegs, which heals my body and makes it work more efficiently
So, you just know... in your knower... that you're eating 2000 calories, but you're not counting them... and it's recommended that you be at 1200 for... what???? A deficit of how many calories? What's your TDEE?
I'm sorry, but as other people have said, you're not a special snowflake. If you're eating above your TDEE, you'd gain weight. If you're eating below it, you'll lose weight.
The 1,200 number recommended by MFP is a guideline based on a number of factors and you're not providing accurate enough data to assess the validity of your claims.
I am too a special snowflake. And my knower is myfitnesspal that i used to track my calories for a few weeks some time ago.
My recommended calories to lose weight is 1200. I eat over 2000 and lose weight at the same rate.
Seriously, troll.
Also open up that diary of yours then so we can check out how you logged a few weeks ago.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »No one is hating on the girl that posted this topic.
After reading the poster who called the OP a "full-on retard", I beg to differ.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
So for you, 2000 is still apparently a calorie deficit...even if you aren't counting them.
Tell you what...let's try an experiment. Eat 3x the amount you're currently eating, but of the exact same type of foods you're eating now, for 3 weeks. Still gonna lose weight?
I declare this the derpiest thread of the day.
Lol arent you a little old to be using the word derp? Rule of thumb, dont say that if you're over 9 years old. I have no interest in arguing or eating more than i could stomach.. I just find that completely ridiculous.
Theres a huge vegan community that can vouch for my and the poster's argument.
I probably am...but when the shoe fits...
So just hypothetically then if you don't actually want to participate in the experiment. If you ate the exact same foods you're eating now, but 3x as much, your assertion is that you'd still be losing weight?
PS - there's also a lot of overweight vegans.
Absolutely not. I would never recommend for someone to eat 6000-9000 calories a day (is thay even possible) obviously the body will store the extra energy into fat... It will also probably flush a lot of it out.
Overweight vegans are the result of processed vegan food thats obviously not goof for anyone0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
Basically, i eat as much as i feel like and listen to my body. Sometimes i crave only light veggies and fruit, and sometimes lots of starches.
Can you please explain the physics behind this?
*Also, 1200 calories is not "recommended" across the board. This is the minimum that anyone should ever be eating. Most people should be eating more calories than that.
Sorry, my mistake. To lose weight, it is recommended for my to eat 1200. I eat anywhere between 2000-3000 depending on how i feel.
If you look into 'the starch solution' all the research is there.
To me, it just makes sense. Im fuelling my body and brain with glucose, without sugar rushes/crashes because of the natural fibre. Im getting in waaay more nutrition because of all the fruits and vegs, which heals my body and makes it work more efficiently
So, you just know... in your knower... that you're eating 2000 calories, but you're not counting them... and it's recommended that you be at 1200 for... what???? A deficit of how many calories? What's your TDEE?
I'm sorry, but as other people have said, you're not a special snowflake. If you're eating above your TDEE, you'd gain weight. If you're eating below it, you'll lose weight.
The 1,200 number recommended by MFP is a guideline based on a number of factors and you're not providing accurate enough data to assess the validity of your claims.
I am too a special snowflake. And my knower is myfitnesspal that i used to track my calories for a few weeks some time ago.
My recommended calories to lose weight is 1200. I eat over 2000 and lose weight at the same rate.
Mamapeach910...hands down you're the winner to me! I keep hearing in my hearers that she just knows...in her knower...not a special snowflake....yes huh am too am too!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
Basically, i eat as much as i feel like and listen to my body. Sometimes i crave only light veggies and fruit, and sometimes lots of starches.
Can you please explain the physics behind this?
*Also, 1200 calories is not "recommended" across the board. This is the minimum that anyone should ever be eating. Most people should be eating more calories than that.
Sorry, my mistake. To lose weight, it is recommended for my to eat 1200. I eat anywhere between 2000-3000 depending on how i feel.
If you look into 'the starch solution' all the research is there.
To me, it just makes sense. Im fuelling my body and brain with glucose, without sugar rushes/crashes because of the natural fibre. Im getting in waaay more nutrition because of all the fruits and vegs, which heals my body and makes it work more efficiently
So, you just know... in your knower... that you're eating 2000 calories, but you're not counting them... and it's recommended that you be at 1200 for... what???? A deficit of how many calories? What's your TDEE?
I'm sorry, but as other people have said, you're not a special snowflake. If you're eating above your TDEE, you'd gain weight. If you're eating below it, you'll lose weight.
The 1,200 number recommended by MFP is a guideline based on a number of factors and you're not providing accurate enough data to assess the validity of your claims.
I am too a special snowflake. And my knower is myfitnesspal that i used to track my calories for a few weeks some time ago.
My recommended calories to lose weight is 1200. I eat over 2000 and lose weight at the same rate.
The 1200 doesn't matter. Your TDEE is what would be pertinent to this discussion. So would a diary tracking the 2000 calories you say you're consuming.
Since you haven't provided either, sorry, not buying it.
You don't defy the laws of physics.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
This is not true.
Also, if you're going to make such wild claims, please provide sources (not anecdotes based on your best guess of how many calories you're eating).
My proof is that im a nutritionist and have a bookshelf filled with books about different foods and lifestylrs and their affect on the body.
And you're confusing MFP recommendation with TDEE?
Really?
That's a shame.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
This is not true.
Also, if you're going to make such wild claims, please provide sources (not anecdotes based on your best guess of how many calories you're eating).
My proof is that im a nutritionist and have a bookshelf filled with books about different foods and lifestylrs and their affect on the body.
I'm a millionaire living in a 3 million dollar home while working at NASA just for kicks. I'm also in the process of finalizing the cure for the common cold.0 -
jennismagic wrote: »Threads like these are why I spend so little time on the forums. The hostility is ridiculous.
the stupidity/blindness is MORE ridiculous. lol
but ahhh yes we were all young and stupid (in our own ways) once..... lol
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
This is not true.
Also, if you're going to make such wild claims, please provide sources (not anecdotes based on your best guess of how many calories you're eating).
My proof is that im a nutritionist and have a bookshelf filled with books about different foods and lifestylrs and their affect on the body.
I'm a millionaire living in a 3 million dollar home while working at NASA just for kicks. I'm also in the process of finalizing the cure for the common cold.
OH MY GOD...SO AM I!!!0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.0 -
Okay, I'm sucked in.
"An adult needs at least 2000 calories to adequately function daily in order to be healthy. Anything lower than that is considered starvation according the world health organization."
I would like to disagree with you. I have been working for the WHO since 1995 and am responsible for nutrition programs all throughout Latin America as well as the Caribbean and nowhere does the WHO say that, because it is just not true.
In many parts of the world ( even in developed countries ) people eat less than 2000 calories, because in many cultures the average person is not as big and tall as the average American is and we at WHO know that. We also don't throw around the word " starvation " lightly.
Starvation is considered a situation where people eat less than 800 calories for six month or more and many people who are actually starving ( to death ) eat 600 calories or less, sometimes for a year or longer. So a person eating 1800, 1400 or even 1200 ( like I since I am less than 5 feet tall ) is definitely not starving and saying so is an insult to those people in poor countries, or after catastrophes who have no access to food through no fault of their own.
WHO would never make such a blanket statement, because it's not based on much but nutritional myth, because how many calories an individual needs is not based on generalities, but on personal needs, based on weight, height, activity level, age, general health and other factors.
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I'm thinking Internet U. But then I'm a PhD in Starch Science (prove otherwise!), and I say McDougall knows nothing.
On the other hand, this should provide a nice counter for the next thread where people want to complaint that anyone dares to disagree with a nutritionist.0
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