The Truth about Calorie Restriction
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PikaKnight wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
You do understand that by replacing certain foods with ones that are less calorie or/and nutrient dense, you are eating less than you were which is still calorie restricting, right?PikaKnight wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
You do understand that by replacing certain foods with ones that are less calorie or/and nutrient dense, you are eating less than you were which is still calorie restricting, right?
Well if eating 5 bananas plus dates for breakfast is calorie restricting... Then im doing it wrong
And what was the total calories you ate for the day? I bet if you are losing weight eating whatever plus this for breakfast, you are at a calorie deficit.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Well damn it...as much as I'd like to continue watching this train wreck, I have to leave for the gym to do some actual work...
same
why can't the gym come to meee
you'll be back... and by that time there will probably be a couple more OP personas to greet you!0 -
determined24girl wrote: »I feel like someone made a new profile to back themselves up.....
That would be funny. But no, i just stumbled upon this thread and felt like i should back this girl up since she was getting so much hate
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Try living in another country. Y'all go to bed when I'm getting up. It can get mighty boring on here during my day time when you all are tucked up sound asleep :grumble:EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »Well this is fun but I must go to bed. Try not to poof it before I can catch up in the morning :laugh:
I know, me too.
All the best threads happen at night.
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determined24girl wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Well damn it...as much as I'd like to continue watching this train wreck, I have to leave for the gym to do some actual work...
same why can't the gym come to meee
you'll be back... and by that time there will probably be a couple more OP personas to greet you!
That or the thread will be deleted 0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
You do understand that by replacing certain foods with ones that are less calorie or/and nutrient dense, you are eating less than you were which is still calorie restricting, right?PikaKnight wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
You do understand that by replacing certain foods with ones that are less calorie or/and nutrient dense, you are eating less than you were which is still calorie restricting, right?
Well if eating 5 bananas plus dates for breakfast is calorie restricting... Then im doing it wrong
It IS calorie restriction.
Calorie restriction = restricting your calories.
Restriction = the limitation or control of someone or something, or the state of being limited or restricted.
I feel so sad for your brain right now, sorry not sorry.
^THANK YOU.
People act like it's a freaking miracle that they replaced a 400 calorie item with a 200 calorie item and refuse to recognize that "d'oh! I made a deficit!"0 -
I'm going to try to be less negative then everyone else here...but I'm going to say that just because you aren't restricting "calories" does not mean you aren't restricting. Veganism is the most hardcore form of restriction I've ever seen. If you don't want to hurt animals, okay fine...but you seriously better be finding that protein and calcium in their complete form another way that's balanced or you're ****ed.0
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determined24girl wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Well damn it...as much as I'd like to continue watching this train wreck, I have to leave for the gym to do some actual work...
same why can't the gym come to meee
you'll be back... and by that time there will probably be a couple more OP personas to greet you!
Should be male next time, to throw us off and all!
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.
With any given macro combination. You just said for you its protein and the rest. If youre getting enough protein.0 -
I think you're on to something there.mamapeach910 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.
She is going to tell you than 60-70g of fat is still too much or that your sources of fat were wrong, though.
She'll say it was too much. I'm pretty sure she's one of those 80/10/10 people.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.
With any given macro combination. You just said for you its protein and the rest. If youre getting enough protein.
Yes, because everyone has different fitness goals, personal preference, etc. IIFYM is simply a name for "eat foods you enjoy eating that help you meet your personal goals."0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »No one is hating on the girl that posted this topic.
After reading the poster who called the OP a "full-on retard", I beg to differ.
First, you misquoted the person. Second, you obviously didn't see the movie they referenced to understand the quote. Third, you can beg to differ all you want but you'll still be wrong.
Quite right about the misquote.0 -
JZ_Evolution_Mark2 wrote: »I actually just had this conversation with a friend of mine... I find it funny how people who dont have much drive or self disipline will use whatever they can to justify not putting in the work, staying the course and settling for only moderate success.... this includes CICO and other irrational concepts and studies...
Look folks... its not just calories.. its also about the content of what you eat... You're comparison is the same as comparing AM PM Gas to Aviation Jet Fuel.. true they are both gas and have the ability to run your car.. but Aviation Fuel is far stronger and provides much more energy...
So you can eat your pizza and feel lethargic and like crap after you do.. and I'll eat my veggies , brown rice and chicken... and have energy to run 5 miles...
I eat pizza to finish marathons, Bro. The Full Monte 26.2
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Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
What proof is that? Will you be posting pictures then?
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Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
You are claiming to defy the laws of physics. That would require some proof beyond your repeated assertions of "because I said so".
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.
With any given macro combination. You just said for you its protein and the rest. If youre getting enough protein.
Yes, because everyone has different fitness goals, personal preference, etc. IIFYM is simply a name for "eat foods you enjoy eating that help you meet your personal goals."
So including low carb. Why all the hate on low carb on here then. If they choose it as a preference and it meets their macros.
Nvm. I've reached my Ana limit for the day. Enjoy your dinner.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
Photos please or it didn't happen.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
Your profile shows 0 pounds lost 25 to go.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.
With any given macro combination. You just said for you its protein and the rest. If youre getting enough protein.
Yes, because everyone has different fitness goals, personal preference, etc. IIFYM is simply a name for "eat foods you enjoy eating that help you meet your personal goals."
So including low carb. Why all the hate on low carb on here then. If they choose it as a preference and it meets their macros.
I think ... seriously... the only hate for low carb comes when it's accompanied by the idea that it bypasses CICO. A lot of people think low carbing/CICO is an either/or situation rather than a hand in hand deal.
The other time I see low carbing getting flak is when it comes along with "I'll keep feeling energized while the rest of you keep shoving donuts in your face" assumptions and/or low-carb is the one true way.
I don't see too much push back against low-carbers who just low carb out of personal preference.
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Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
So because I've had a transformation since starting to eat gelato every night that must be all the proof you would need that 80 10 10 is unnecessary, right?
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Gelato diet = win.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
This is what I looked like when I "ate clean" and didn't track calories. I lost weight eating this way, and gained eating this way. Although you are going to tell me that somehow my consumption of dairy and meat made me gain the weight, not a caloric surplus.
This is how I looked 2 months into my journey on MFP, around 175ish (looking similar to how I looked above)
This is what I look like now by tracking calories, eating below my maintenance needs, and lifting weights while eating woo-woo bad foods. I'm about 15lbs out from goal.
Care to share yours along with opening up your diary?
ETA I'm 158lbs today. The newest pic was taken like 2-3 days ago.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
It isn't that people disagree with you that makes you wrong ... it's your being wrong that makes you wrong. You are not exempt from physics.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.
With any given macro combination. You just said for you its protein and the rest. If youre getting enough protein.
Yes, because everyone has different fitness goals, personal preference, etc. IIFYM is simply a name for "eat foods you enjoy eating that help you meet your personal goals."
So including low carb. Why all the hate on low carb on here then. If they choose it as a preference and it meets their macros.
I think ... seriously... the only hate for low carb comes when it's accompanied by the idea that it bypasses CICO. A lot of people think low carbing/CICO is an either/or situation rather than a hand in hand deal.
The other time I see low carbing getting flak is when it comes along with "I'll keep feeling energized while the rest of you keep shoving donuts in your face" assumptions and/or low-carb is the one true way.
I don't see too much push back against low-carbers who just low carb out of personal preference.
^^ Yup
I got no problem with low carb if you like it and it works for you.
But I do have problems with the bro-science/anti-science carp that SOME of them peddle.0 -
Please somebody explain why people caSo how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem
Lol just because you dont agree with me doesnt make me wrong. I dont understand why youre so keen on arguing with me as if its a world crisis. All the proof you need is in my transformation since starting thia lifestyle and the many others.
Although i do keep coming back for more... So there must be something intriguing about arguing behind tje safety of your computer
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