The Truth about Calorie Restriction
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
IIFYM only works for me when I eat whatever I want haha. I cannot do low carb, low fat, etc. I just eat my protein needs and the rest falls w here it may. Carbs only go up and down based on how my calorie goals change.0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
So for you, 2000 is still apparently a calorie deficit...even if you aren't counting them.
Tell you what...let's try an experiment. Eat 3x the amount you're currently eating, but of the exact same type of foods you're eating now, for 3 weeks. Still gonna lose weight?
I declare this the derpiest thread of the day.
Lol arent you a little old to be using the word derp? Rule of thumb, dont say that if you're over 9 years old. I have no interest in arguing or eating more than i could stomach.. I just find that completely ridiculous.
Theres a huge vegan community that can vouch for my and the poster's argument.
I probably am...but when the shoe fits...
So just hypothetically then if you don't actually want to participate in the experiment. If you ate the exact same foods you're eating now, but 3x as much, your assertion is that you'd still be losing weight?
PS - there's also a lot of overweight vegans.
Absolutely not. I would never recommend for someone to eat 6000-9000 calories a day (is thay even possible) obviously the body will store the extra energy into fat... It will also probably flush a lot of it out.
Overweight vegans are the result of processed vegan food thats obviously not goof for anyone
I think you forgot to turn your brain on.0 -
Okay, I'm sucked in.
"An adult needs at least 2000 calories to adequately function daily in order to be healthy. Anything lower than that is considered starvation according the world health organization."
I would like to disagree with you. I have been working for the WHO since 1995 and am responsible for nutrition programs all throughout Latin America as well as the Caribbean and nowhere does the WHO say that, because it is just not true.
In many parts of the world ( even in developed countries ) people eat less than 2000 calories, because in many cultures the average person is not as big and tall as the average American is and we at WHO know that. We also don't throw around the word " starvation " lightly.
Starvation is considered a situation where people eat less than 800 calories for six month or more and many people who are actually starving ( to death ) eat 600 calories or less, sometimes for a year or longer. So a person eating 1800, 1400 or even 1200 ( like I since I am less than 5 feet tall ) is definitely not starving and saying so is an insult to those people in poor countries, or after catastrophes who have no access to food through no fault of their own.
WHO would never make such a blanket statement, because it's not based on much but nutritional myth, because how many calories an individual needs is not based on generalities, but on personal needs, based on weight, height, activity level, age, general health and other factors.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
I believe OP has already established that IIFYMers are okay with eating mom, so long as you need the protein and (depending on the mom) fat.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.
I love your posts.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »No one is hating on the girl that posted this topic.
After reading the poster who called the OP a "full-on retard", I beg to differ.
First, you misquoted the person. Second, you obviously didn't see the movie they referenced to understand the quote. Third, you can beg to differ all you want but you'll still be wrong.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
This is not true.
Also, if you're going to make such wild claims, please provide sources (not anecdotes based on your best guess of how many calories you're eating).
My proof is that im a nutritionist and have a bookshelf filled with books about different foods and lifestylrs and their affect on the body.
I'm a millionaire living in a 3 million dollar home while working at NASA just for kicks. I'm also in the process of finalizing the cure for the common cold.
OH MY GOD...SO AM I!!!
DUDE WHY HAVEN'T I SEEN YOU AT THE NASA PARTIES?!?
(btw there are NASA parties every Friday)0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
So for you, 2000 is still apparently a calorie deficit...even if you aren't counting them.
Tell you what...let's try an experiment. Eat 3x the amount you're currently eating, but of the exact same type of foods you're eating now, for 3 weeks. Still gonna lose weight?
I declare this the derpiest thread of the day.
Lol arent you a little old to be using the word derp? Rule of thumb, dont say that if you're over 9 years old. I have no interest in arguing or eating more than i could stomach.. I just find that completely ridiculous.
Theres a huge vegan community that can vouch for my and the poster's argument.
I probably am...but when the shoe fits...
So just hypothetically then if you don't actually want to participate in the experiment. If you ate the exact same foods you're eating now, but 3x as much, your assertion is that you'd still be losing weight?
PS - there's also a lot of overweight vegans.
Absolutely not. I would never recommend for someone to eat 6000-9000 calories a day (is thay even possible) obviously the body will store the extra energy into fat... It will also probably flush a lot of it out.
Overweight vegans are the result of processed vegan food thats obviously not goof for anyone
Oh, hardly! I was a raw foods vegan. Not a processed food in sight. All fresh, all raw. And I was overweight. The food was delicious, I felt great eating that way, but it wasn't sustainable. We couldn't afford it. That much fresh produce on top of feeding three other people eating a standard diet? It got expensive.
BTW? I started eating that way to lose weight. I didn't lose a pound.
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jennismagic wrote: »Threads like these are why I spend so little time on the forums. The hostility is ridiculous.
don't you mean the derp and complete disregard for actual science?0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
So if you eat over your TDEE eating only "whole" foods, you won't gain weight?
Yup! I dont watch my calories, but my guess would be around 2000, instead of the recommended 1200, and ive lost 30lbs.
Basically, i eat as much as i feel like and listen to my body. Sometimes i crave only light veggies and fruit, and sometimes lots of starches.
The only requirement to lose is a deficit. Obviously, you're still in one at 2000.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.
She is going to tell you than 60-70g of fat is still too much or that your sources of fat were wrong, though.0 -
Well this is fun but I must go to bed. Try not to poof it before I can catch up in the morning :laugh:0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »jennismagic wrote: »Threads like these are why I spend so little time on the forums. The hostility is ridiculous.
don't you mean the derp and complete disregard for actual science?
Pssst...didn't you get the memo. We can't use "derp". Because of processed vegan foods or something...0 -
So how come when I ate a vegan diet for about 8 months, I never lost a single pound? Obviously it's not because I was eating too much of it. What did I do wrong?
Did you eat any processed vegan food? If youre cooking and not substituting animal products with things like soy, you shoulsnt have a problem0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I eat 200+g of carbs. Compared to when I probably ate 400-500+g of carbs while gaining weight, yeah, I'm lower carb.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
From what I recall those higher carb diets are more likely to contribute to weight gain anyways, likely due to lowered satiety and thus eating more food. Pretty sure that my old fat-self diet was much higher carb and lower fat/protien than it is now haha.diannethegeek wrote: »Honestly, I skimmed until I got to the inevitable: "Now, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but..."I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but I will tell you want I'm going to do. I will no longer fall for the propaganda that carbs make you fat.
Okay, I'm with you. Carbs don't make us fat! Yay!Calorie restriction has made me fat.
What? no.Fat has made me fat.
Really, no.For now I'm going to document my journey on a high carb, low fat, plant based diet in hopes of not only losing weight, but to forever get off of the roller coaster of crash dieting and binge eating and starvation and etc.
I honestly wish you luck finding the right journey for yourself. But I'm not with you on this one.
So you're lower carb. But not low carb. By your standards.
So I guess even low carbers are just IIFYM.
Yep. IIFYM works with pretty much any style of eating.
eta: I mean, except the kind where you don't count macros I guess. :laugh:
So it seems. So it's just calorie counting with some protein goal for most folks.
... iifym = meeting your macros = meeting your calorie goals.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.
She is going to tell you than 60-70g of fat is still too much or that your sources of fat were wrong, though.
She'll say it was too much. I'm pretty sure she's one of those 80/10/10 people.
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Iron_Feline wrote: »Well this is fun but I must go to bed. Try not to poof it before I can catch up in the morning :laugh:
I know, me too.
All the best threads happen at night.0 -
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mamapeach910 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Yay! Somebody who understands what i understand! Diets are stupid. Eat whole foods. Cut out junk like dairy, meat and gluten. Carb the *kitten* up and feel better than ever!
Ps. You're advocating for this lifestyle in the wrong place. These people dont want to hear that there's another way besides calorie restriction!
Interesting...I eat primarily whole foods and meals prepared from whole food ingredients...I have successfully lost weight, maintained weight, and done a bulk and cut cycle...with the difference between those objectives being the amount of calories I'm eating.
So how is it possible in your world that I was able to bulk on weight eating a diet rich in whole food nutrition.
Also, since when are dairy, meat, and gluten "junk"? Gluten exists in whole foods...meat is a whole food...dairy products are whole foods or otherwise derived from such.
By whole foods i meant whole plant foods. The reasom why you bulked up is because you ate a lot of fat most likely. Fat is not bad if it comes from plants and in moderation. But my guess is that it didnt.
And since you're grasping at every word i use or misuse, dairy, meat and gluten are generally not favoured by the body of most people. It causes stagnation and intolerant reactions that you wont immediately see but will affect you in the long term.
Actually I keep my dietary fat in check at around 60 - 70 grams per day. Dietary fat does't cause you to bulk or make you fat.
I bulked because I was on an awesome lifting program and I was consuming more calories than I needed to maintain my weight...most of my surplus was actually carbohydrates as carbs are always my flex...I keep protein and fats pretty static regardless of my weight control goals so it's my carbohydrate intake that goes up or down generally with my weight control goals. My fat intake is largely from nuts and avocados and cooking with avocado oil and olive oil.
Again...please explain how just eating a plant diet would completely void the laws of physics. I mean basically we're talking 5th grade math here.
Also, I've been around for 40 years...I think if meat, dairy, and gluten were going to give me intolerances it would have happened by now...it's not like I just started eating them or something.
You're a riot though..very entertaining.
She is going to tell you than 60-70g of fat is still too much or that your sources of fat were wrong, though.
She'll say it was too much. I'm pretty sure she's one of those 80/10/10 people.
Someone was arguing for that diet in another thread. I did it one day as a refeed (well, basically eating 500g or so of carbs with little fat) and I was soooo hungry. Eating 2500 calories. Starving. I love my carbs but I can't restrict fat like that.0
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