Is it possible to lose fat and gain muscle?

I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
Thanks
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  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.
  • ajnb88
    ajnb88 Posts: 339 Member
    I've done so for the past few months, but no one has any idea how the hell I'm doing so, considering how much I eat to try and gain weight.

    Last check (a few days ago) I'd gained 0.5 kg muscle and lost 1.2kg fat in three weeks.
  • Lgabrjolek
    Lgabrjolek Posts: 57 Member
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

  • SilverRose89
    SilverRose89 Posts: 447 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    How does skipping breakfast make someone gain fat?
  • Lgabrjolek
    Lgabrjolek Posts: 57 Member
    When you skip breakfast, you will be sending your body into "starving mode". It is not good for your metabolism. Your brain will crave very high calorie foods.

    Here is a good link that tells you some more of the reasons NOT to skip breakfast!

    http://www.mdhil.com/8-health-reasons-you-should-never-skip-breakfast/

    -Liz
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,941 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz
    Well no. This is basically a broscience approach. Actual research doesn't have any supporting evidence for the above. One can't "guarantee" anything. There are many many fitness, bikini, figure and bodybuilders who compete naturally who bulk up with "sweets" and can hardly be called fat.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,941 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    When you skip breakfast, you will be sending your body into "starving mode". It is not good for your metabolism. Your brain will crave very high calorie foods.

    Here is a good link that tells you some more of the reasons NOT to skip breakfast!

    http://www.mdhil.com/8-health-reasons-you-should-never-skip-breakfast/

    -Liz
    You're reading too much into what this site "believes" happens. Peer reviewed clinical studies are a better source.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,941 Member
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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  • Damirov
    Damirov Posts: 4
    Thanks for advice!! So you think its better to go for bulk, consume more kcal, and after few weeks start to to do more cardio and less kcal? Would be faster?
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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  • Damirov
    Damirov Posts: 4
    Thanks eveyone for your attention and advices. So its possible:) i will test it and we will see:)
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

    Most of this is just opinion and has no basis in reality. OP should disregard.

  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,323 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

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  • ranaeblade
    ranaeblade Posts: 15 Member
    to gain muscle you will have to increase protein, lower carbs, lift weights and add cardio
  • edack72
    edack72 Posts: 173 Member
    Make friends with a weight routine if you need some ideas feel free to friend me and I will glady share some of my workouts
  • MsBeverleyH
    MsBeverleyH Posts: 99 Member
    edited March 2015
    Hornsby wrote: »
    The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.

    ^Yuuuup.

    This guy explains it much better than I ever could: http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-to-build-muscle-and-lose-fat/
  • ksy1969
    ksy1969 Posts: 700 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

    OMG, that one almost brought me to tears because of the laughter.

    OP, please disregard this post and her other post as well. That is pure nonsense.

    I have been skipping breakfast for months. I have also been working out in the early AM while fasted and not eating till noon. I am still making strength gains. Made a huge advance in my deadlift the other day. I cannot say about the lean muscle gains since I am eating at a deficit and that is not my goal right now. I need to lose fat. Which I am doing.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

    congratulations, this post is dead wrong...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    When you skip breakfast, you will be sending your body into "starving mode". It is not good for your metabolism. Your brain will crave very high calorie foods.

    Here is a good link that tells you some more of the reasons NOT to skip breakfast!

    http://www.mdhil.com/8-health-reasons-you-should-never-skip-breakfast/

    -Liz

    no…please just stop and exit this forum immediately...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    ranaeblade wrote: »
    to gain muscle you will have to increase protein, lower carbs, lift weights and add cardio

    why would you lower carbs when bulking??????????
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    How long?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...
  • Sydking
    Sydking Posts: 317 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    Lean muscle is gained with higher protein intake (don't over do it). You want to gain lean muscle weight, so stay away from bad fatty foods and limit your sugar intake. If you do a lot of cardio, you will lose weight more rapidly. Lift full slow reps and sets. Push yourself hard and rejuvenate your muscles with proteins (baked fish, chicken breast baked) after your workout. If you stay away from sweets and junk food, you can guarantee yourself results. You will even gain more energy to perform your workouts. MY BEST ADVICE: NEVER SKIP BREAKFAST! SKIPPING CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOU GAIN UNWANTED FAT!

    All the best!

    *Live long and prosper!*

    -Liz

    THIS IS ALL BAD ADVICE!!!!


  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...

    Oh, ok - neither is that long. One week of cutting at a 20% deficit would feel way longer.
  • Sydking
    Sydking Posts: 317 Member
    Lgabrjolek wrote: »
    When you skip breakfast, you will be sending your body into "starving mode". It is not good for your metabolism. Your brain will crave very high calorie foods.

    Here is a good link that tells you some more of the reasons NOT to skip breakfast!

    http://www.mdhil.com/8-health-reasons-you-should-never-skip-breakfast/

    -Liz

    Please explain if i eat my 500 cal for breakfast or if i eat an extra 500 cal at lunch will make any difference?

    Or better yet, what if i had a 250cal breakfast and a 250cal snack?

    end of the day/week/month.Year

    ITS ALL THE DAM SAME
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...

    Oh, ok - neither is that long. One week of cutting at a 20% deficit would feel way longer.

    i am cutting right now on 2250 a day …it is not THAT bad…although the first few weeks after eating 3100 to 3200 on my bulk did suck….
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...

    Oh, ok - neither is that long. One week of cutting at a 20% deficit would feel way longer.

    i am cutting right now on 2250 a day …it is not THAT bad…although the first few weeks after eating 3100 to 3200 on my bulk did suck….

    Ha, I can imagine.

    I get woozy if I eat less than 1900, no matter what I eat (down from maintenance at 2300). 2000ish would be nicer :)
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...

    Oh, ok - neither is that long. One week of cutting at a 20% deficit would feel way longer.

    i am cutting right now on 2250 a day …it is not THAT bad…although the first few weeks after eating 3100 to 3200 on my bulk did suck….

    Ha, I can imagine.

    I get woozy if I eat less than 1900, no matter what I eat (down from maintenance at 2300). 2000ish would be nicer :)

    when I get to 180 I am going to transition to half pound per week loss which will give me about 2500 a week to eat..so that will be better...
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    3600 on maintenance. I'm very slightly cutting just starting this week. 3200ish at the moment. I'm a cardio junkie though.

    And yes, I've been going about 9 months on defined programs. 12 months in all. First three months I was all over the place though. No rhyme or reason.

    Ndj, I think we are doing the same program currently. I throw in an extra middle exercise on it.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Yes, you can. You have to eat at maintenance levels or just slightly under. The process is slow and takes a looong time according to most.


    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Damirov wrote: »
    I am thinking if its possible by cutting some kcal intake and carbs? Can achieve that? How has an expetience on that?
    Thanks
    Possible yes. It takes a lot of attention to detail and it does take a longer route to achieve. A great source is Alan Aragon (who's an MFP member) and Lyle McDonald.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    How long?

    from what I have seen about a year..

    but I believe that hornsby has been at it for nine months and has had nice results...

    Oh, ok - neither is that long. One week of cutting at a 20% deficit would feel way longer.

    i am cutting right now on 2250 a day …it is not THAT bad…although the first few weeks after eating 3100 to 3200 on my bulk did suck….

    Ha, I can imagine.

    I get woozy if I eat less than 1900, no matter what I eat (down from maintenance at 2300). 2000ish would be nicer :)

    when I get to 180 I am going to transition to half pound per week loss which will give me about 2500 a week to eat..so that will be better...

    I hope it happens sooner than later!
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    3600 on maintenance. I'm very slightly cutting just starting this week. 3200ish at the moment. I'm a cardio junkie though.

    And yes, I've been going about 9 months on defined programs. 12 months in all. First three months I was all over the place though. No rhyme or reason.

    Ndj, I think we are doing the same program currently. I throw in an extra middle exercise on it.

    Ah, ok - 9 months is totally doable, I'm in no rush. (Am similar - would rather sweat it off than not eat any day)