Alkaline water?
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »When they say it's more expensive, they mean it's more expensive than water from, say, your tap. Which is perfectly healthy to drink and is usually regulated more heavily than bottled water anyway. If you're worried about drinking it straight, get a filter for your tap, drink filtered water from your fridge, or use a Brita pitcher. No reason to buy bottled water, alkaline or otherwise.
Plus it's better for the environment.
I have a distiller that I use at home to purify my tap water. Even after distilling one gallon there is some white residue left over at the bottom of the distiller. I distill 1-2 gallons a day and after a week there is a hard layer of white crust stuck to the bottom of the distiller that can only be removed by a chemical residue cleaner. This is the stuff that is in tap water (dissolved solids) and that your body has to filter out when drinking tap water daily. How is that perfectly healthy to drink?
AKA Citric Acid, Acetic Acid (vinegar), or something similarly harmless. The residue is just minerals.0 -
I'm a fan of structured water, but not alkaline water. Structured water is found in nature, alkaline water is not. Any time you stray away from what nature intended it can create problems. Drinking high ph water does not alkalize the body properly. Lemons are one of the most acidic foods on the planet but yet when it is digested it leaves alkaline ash which is healthy for the body.
Here are 7 reasons not to drink alkaline water from a good website on the properties of water:
1) Alkaline water may hinder digestion. The first and the most obvious red flag regarding the consumption of alkaline ionized water is its potential impact on digestion. Since the digestive process begins in the stomach—an extremely acidic environment—a person must ask the question: What is the impact of alkaline water on the digestive process? Fifty percent of people over the age of 60 are hypochlorhydric. This means that they can no longer produce enough stomach acid for optimal digestion. For these individuals, the consumption of alkaline water presents a problem. You might be surprised to discover how many people who drink alkaline ionized water end up with digestive trouble—and they have no idea it was caused by the water. Many of those who promote alkaline water are aware of this issue . . . that’s why they suggest NOT drinking it before meals.
2) Alkaline water does not balance the body’s pH. One of the arguments used in favor of alkaline water, supposes that its consumption will alkalize the body and negate the buildup of acids caused by our modern diet and lifestyle. If consuming alkaline food and alkaline water negated an acidic cellular environment, then eating well-cooked meat (known to be alkaline) would overcome acidity. Eating cooked meat does the exact opposite. By the same token, eating a lemon would contribute to acidosis — but lemons are known to be one of the most alkalizing foods. Obviously, balancing acidity in the human body is not as cut and dried as some would like to think. The consumption of acids or bases (alkaline), does not necessarily balance cellular pH. And while drinking alkaline water sometimes increases urine pH, it is not an indicator that the body’s pH is in balance. When measuring the fluids of the body, (particularly saliva and urine) several factors should be interpreted together to get an accurate picture. Equally important measurements of these fluids are: resistivity/conductivity, specific gravity, and rH2. One measurement without the others can be misleading. Measuring the pH of urine (a reflection of what the body is letting go of) is an oversimplification. Increased urine pH could also mean that the body is having to get rid of excessive alkaline minerals that are not in a form the body can utilize. When it comes right down to it, the body prefers to receive minerals in an organic form (in food). In this way, alkalizing minerals are linked with organic acids. This is the reason lemons contribute to alkalinity– they contain an abundance of alkalizing minerals yet they are balanced with organic acids so that the body can recognize and utilize them. All raw plant foods are acidic (with the exception of a few herbs). They are made of organic acids combined with organically-complexed minerals. This is the reason raw food tends to balance the body’s pH in a way that alkaline water cannot.
3) Ionization damages water’s life force. Another reason NOT to drink alkaline ionized water has to do with the molecular structure of water. Nature creates liquid crystalline (structured) water using movement and weak electromagnetic fields. Those who sell ionizers believe that the strong electric current used during ionization produces the same kind of water. It does not. Although electric currents cause water molecules to become more organized, strong electric currents (like those used during ionization) have a damaging effect on the electromagnetic field around water molecules. Ionized water is not coherent and it is not capable of maintaining long-range molecular organization. The water loses its structure when it is removed from the electric field. Water that has been treated in this manner is aggressive. It is no longer capable of carrying the finely-tuned signals and other vibratory information that water is intended to carry within the human body.
4) Alkaline ionized water contains minerals in an inorganic form that contribute to arterial plaque and joint disorders. During ionization, water molecules are split (ionized). Positively-charged water ions (H+) are attracted to negatively-charged mineral ions (phosphate, chloride, sulfide, iodide, etc.) to form a variety of acidic compounds in the acidic stream of water. Negatively-charged water ions (OH-) are attracted to positively-charged mineral ions (calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium) to form numerous alkaline compounds in the alkaline stream of water. The most common alkaline mineral compounds that form in alkaline ionized water are calcium hydroxide (lime), sodium hydroxide (lye), potassium hydroxide (caustic potash), and magnesium hydroxide (milk of magnesia). And because of the strong electric forces used during ionization, these compounds are not easily broken down. The alkaline minerals are not available for use in the body. If a person’s kidneys are functioning well, these inorganic mineral compounds will be excreted in urine. If not, they may end up as arterial plaque or as mineral deposits in joints and other tissues.
5) Alkaline water is imbalanced. Water ionizers separate water into two streams. The alkaline stream is consumed by those who drink ionized water. The chemistry of life is dependent on the balance between acids and bases. One without the other, for an extended period of time, is an invitation for trouble.
6) Alkaline ionized water may cause cell death and fibrosis of the heart. While alkaline ionized water has been in use in Japan for over 50 years, its use (until recently) has been restricted to clinical settings where the water was used in controlled amounts for short periods of time. There are no long-term studies to identify potential problems with either the extended or the exclusive use of this type of water. In the absence of controlled human studies, rats (with a shorter life span) have been the subjects of investigation. Three separate studies have shown that long-term consumption of alkaline ionized water produces cell death (necrosis), fibrosis, and other complications in the heart muscle in rats. Read abstract #1 Read abstract #2 Read abstract#3 Dr. Hidemitsu Hayashi, a cardiac surgeon and Director of the Water Institute in Japan, was one of the scientists who conducted early research on alkaline ionized water. His work determined that the benefits of alkaline ionized water were due to hydrogen in the water. Ultimately, he renounced the use of ionized water in favor of other methods to produce hydrogen-rich water.
7)Alkaline ionized water is aggressive and unnatural. One of the biggest arguments in favor of alkaline ionized water is that its strong electron potential neutralizes free radicals. While it is true that alkaline ionized water has a strong electrical potential (evidenced by negative ORP values), the rH2 value (hydrogen potential) is a more accurate representation of electron potential than ORP alone. It measures the reducing power of a substance without the skewing effects of pH. Understanding rH2 measurements and Biological Terrain Analysis helps in the realization that water with a strongly negative ORP value is out of balance for the human body. It may initially contribute to a reduction of the free radical load however, continued consumption and the aggressive neutralization of oxygen radicals upsets cellular redox balance which plays a pivotal role in immune function and metabolic homeostasis. Oxygen radicals serve as signaling molecules. Medical research verifies that their absence is equally as harmful as their overabundance. The ongoing consumption of alkaline ionized water tips the balance and it opens the way for other metabolic consequences.
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »I'm a fan of structured water, but not alkaline water. Structured water is found in nature, alkaline water is not. Any time you stray away from what nature intended it can create problems. Drinking high ph water does not alkalize the body properly. Lemons are one of the most acidic foods on the planet but yet when it is digested it leaves alkaline ash which is healthy for the body.
Here are 7 reasons not to drink alkaline water from a good website on the properties of water:
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
Maybe the mosquitos that grew in the stagnant bucket of water at the edge of my yard last year counts as a life force...
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Does anyone drink alkaline water? I've recently started drinking Alkalife10 and I wanna hear from someone who has been drinking alkaline water for a while. What's the best brand? Is it better to have natural alkaline water or artificial?
Thanks for you help!
Yes, my boyfriend buys Trader Joe's alkaline water and use it to make coffee. Nic
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auroranflash wrote: »The main problem with the concept is that it is impossible to alter the pH of a patient's blood without causing severe health concerns. Mammalian blood contains a vast number of different pH buffers which evolved to automatically raise or lower the blood pH if a deviation occurs.[4] These buffers heep the pH of human blood between 7.35 and 7.45. If the buffers become saturated and the pH of the blood is altered more than +/-0.4 pH, death will result.[5] It is commonly claimed by alkaline diet proponents that cancer cells are killed in an alkaline environment, which is true, but so are almost all other cells in the human body.
Proponents will attempt to disregard the above by reminding us that it is possible to alter the pH of urine by eating or drinking particular foods, which is also true, but is completely independent of the blood pH. This is based on the metabolites of certain food chemicals (referred to as "Ash") becoming concentrated in the urine.[6] As a (healthy) bladder is an independent receptacle in the body, the pH of the fluid contained therein also has no effect on the blood pH. A different attempt at disregarding this is the claim that blood pH is balanced not by buffers but by excess acid being dumped from the blood into the cytoplasm of cells, meaning that blood pH won't reveal that your cells are dangerously acidic; needless to say, this is false.
Another clue of the ineffectiveness of an alkaline diet is that whatever food you eat will (obviously) pass through your stomach. The acidity of the stomach is affected by things such as stress, amount of food eaten, or infections. Eating acidic or alkaline foods has no effect on stomach pH, in much the same way as it has no effect on the pH of blood.[7]
More recently, proponents claim that the benefits arise from reducing acid load in the body. It is claimed that when acid load is too high, "alkaline minerals" such as calcium are reclaimed by the body from bones leading to conditions such as osteoporosis. Meta-analysis studies have shown this is not the case.[8]
Far from being healthy, alkaline diets could actually be harmful, as they recommend removing certain food groups altogether rather than reducing certain types within the groups. Examples would be removing all fats and oils from the diet which provide Essential Fatty Acids, and dairy products, which are excellent sources of vitamins and minerals, especially vitamin D which is difficult to find in foods outside of dairy products.[9]
A further theoretical problem comes from the definition of "acid/alkaline food" used by many proponents of the diet, which is based on burning the food in air and testing the pH of the resulting ashes and remains. The results of this uncontrolled oxidation have only the vaguest resemblance to the by-products created by the actual process of human digestion and respiration, which involves breaking down the food into its consistuent molecules and metabolising them separately.
[citation: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alkaline_diet ]
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All of this! Save your money! Don't buy into the pseudoscience!0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »mumblemagic wrote: »I'm a fan of structured water, but not alkaline water. Structured water is found in nature, alkaline water is not. Any time you stray away from what nature intended it can create problems. Drinking high ph water does not alkalize the body properly. Lemons are one of the most acidic foods on the planet but yet when it is digested it leaves alkaline ash which is healthy for the body.
Here are 7 reasons not to drink alkaline water from a good website on the properties of water:
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
Maybe the mosquitos that grew in the stagnant bucket of water at the edge of my yard last year counts as a life force...
Quick! Drink it before they die and take the life force away!0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Tinabob777 wrote: »
OMG! Oregon Trail! YES!!!Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Also, I used to play Oregon Trail, and I'd always get the sad song and the warning when all there was to drink was alkaline water. My people would all be frowning around their wagon, and someone would always get cholera and die.
That is my scientific source for not drinking alkaline water.
Now I wish I could find my old game.
@Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
http://time.com/3656635/play-oregon-trail-ms-dos-games-free/
You're welcome
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mumblemagic wrote: »I'm a fan of structured water, but not alkaline water. Structured water is found in nature, alkaline water is not. Any time you stray away from what nature intended it can create problems. Drinking high ph water does not alkalize the body properly. Lemons are one of the most acidic foods on the planet but yet when it is digested it leaves alkaline ash which is healthy for the body.
Here are 7 reasons not to drink alkaline water from a good website on the properties of water:
1) Alkaline water may hinder digestion. The first and the most obvious red flag regarding the consumption of alkaline ionized water is its potential impact on digestion. Since the digestive process begins in the stomach—an extremely acidic environment—a person must ask the question: What is the impact of alkaline water on the digestive process? Fifty percent of people over the age of 60 are hypochlorhydric. This means that they can no longer produce enough stomach acid for optimal digestion. For these individuals, the consumption of alkaline water presents a problem. You might be surprised to discover how many people who drink alkaline ionized water end up with digestive trouble—and they have no idea it was caused by the water. Many of those who promote alkaline water are aware of this issue . . . that’s why they suggest NOT drinking it before meals.
2) Alkaline water does not balance the body’s pH. One of the arguments used in favor of alkaline water, supposes that its consumption will alkalize the body and negate the buildup of acids caused by our modern diet and lifestyle. If consuming alkaline food and alkaline water negated an acidic cellular environment, then eating well-cooked meat (known to be alkaline) would overcome acidity. Eating cooked meat does the exact opposite. By the same token, eating a lemon would contribute to acidosis — but lemons are known to be one of the most alkalizing foods. Obviously, balancing acidity in the human body is not as cut and dried as some would like to think. The consumption of acids or bases (alkaline), does not necessarily balance cellular pH. And while drinking alkaline water sometimes increases urine pH, it is not an indicator that the body’s pH is in balance. When measuring the fluids of the body, (particularly saliva and urine) several factors should be interpreted together to get an accurate picture. Equally important measurements of these fluids are: resistivity/conductivity, specific gravity, and rH2. One measurement without the others can be misleading. Measuring the pH of urine (a reflection of what the body is letting go of) is an oversimplification. Increased urine pH could also mean that the body is having to get rid of excessive alkaline minerals that are not in a form the body can utilize. When it comes right down to it, the body prefers to receive minerals in an organic form (in food). In this way, alkalizing minerals are linked with organic acids. This is the reason lemons contribute to alkalinity– they contain an abundance of alkalizing minerals yet they are balanced with organic acids so that the body can recognize and utilize them. All raw plant foods are acidic (with the exception of a few herbs). They are made of organic acids combined with organically-complexed minerals. This is the reason raw food tends to balance the body’s pH in a way that alkaline water cannot.
3) Ionization damages water’s life force. Another reason NOT to drink alkaline ionized water has to do with the molecular structure of water. Nature creates liquid crystalline (structured) water using movement and weak electromagnetic fields. Those who sell ionizers believe that the strong electric current used during ionization produces the same kind of water. It does not. Although electric currents cause water molecules to become more organized, strong electric currents (like those used during ionization) have a damaging effect on the electromagnetic field around water molecules. Ionized water is not coherent and it is not capable of maintaining long-range molecular organization. The water loses its structure when it is removed from the electric field. Water that has been treated in this manner is aggressive. It is no longer capable of carrying the finely-tuned signals and other vibratory information that water is intended to carry within the human body.
4) Alkaline ionized water contains minerals in an inorganic form that contribute to arterial plaque and joint disorders. During ionization, water molecules are split (ionized). Positively-charged water ions (H+) are attracted to negatively-charged mineral ions (phosphate, chloride, sulfide, iodide, etc.) to form a variety of acidic compounds in the acidic stream of water. Negatively-charged water ions (OH-) are attracted to positively-charged mineral ions (calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium) to form numerous alkaline compounds in the alkaline stream of water. The most common alkaline mineral compounds that form in alkaline ionized water are calcium hydroxide (lime), sodium hydroxide (lye), potassium hydroxide (caustic potash), and magnesium hydroxide (milk of magnesia). And because of the strong electric forces used during ionization, these compounds are not easily broken down. The alkaline minerals are not available for use in the body. If a person’s kidneys are functioning well, these inorganic mineral compounds will be excreted in urine. If not, they may end up as arterial plaque or as mineral deposits in joints and other tissues.
5) Alkaline water is imbalanced. Water ionizers separate water into two streams. The alkaline stream is consumed by those who drink ionized water. The chemistry of life is dependent on the balance between acids and bases. One without the other, for an extended period of time, is an invitation for trouble.
6) Alkaline ionized water may cause cell death and fibrosis of the heart. While alkaline ionized water has been in use in Japan for over 50 years, its use (until recently) has been restricted to clinical settings where the water was used in controlled amounts for short periods of time. There are no long-term studies to identify potential problems with either the extended or the exclusive use of this type of water. In the absence of controlled human studies, rats (with a shorter life span) have been the subjects of investigation. Three separate studies have shown that long-term consumption of alkaline ionized water produces cell death (necrosis), fibrosis, and other complications in the heart muscle in rats. Read abstract #1 Read abstract #2 Read abstract#3 Dr. Hidemitsu Hayashi, a cardiac surgeon and Director of the Water Institute in Japan, was one of the scientists who conducted early research on alkaline ionized water. His work determined that the benefits of alkaline ionized water were due to hydrogen in the water. Ultimately, he renounced the use of ionized water in favor of other methods to produce hydrogen-rich water.
7)Alkaline ionized water is aggressive and unnatural. One of the biggest arguments in favor of alkaline ionized water is that its strong electron potential neutralizes free radicals. While it is true that alkaline ionized water has a strong electrical potential (evidenced by negative ORP values), the rH2 value (hydrogen potential) is a more accurate representation of electron potential than ORP alone. It measures the reducing power of a substance without the skewing effects of pH. Understanding rH2 measurements and Biological Terrain Analysis helps in the realization that water with a strongly negative ORP value is out of balance for the human body. It may initially contribute to a reduction of the free radical load however, continued consumption and the aggressive neutralization of oxygen radicals upsets cellular redox balance which plays a pivotal role in immune function and metabolic homeostasis. Oxygen radicals serve as signaling molecules. Medical research verifies that their absence is equally as harmful as their overabundance. The ongoing consumption of alkaline ionized water tips the balance and it opens the way for other metabolic consequences.
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
^This. I especially liked the bits about the acid and alkaline "balanced" foods now being able to be "recognized" by the body for the sheer obvious bit of bs attempting to hide behind word salad that it was. Of course, the whole article was doing that, but I thought that example was particularly audacious in its made-up-ness.
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mumblemagic wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »mumblemagic wrote: »I'm a fan of structured water, but not alkaline water. Structured water is found in nature, alkaline water is not. Any time you stray away from what nature intended it can create problems. Drinking high ph water does not alkalize the body properly. Lemons are one of the most acidic foods on the planet but yet when it is digested it leaves alkaline ash which is healthy for the body.
Here are 7 reasons not to drink alkaline water from a good website on the properties of water:
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
Maybe the mosquitos that grew in the stagnant bucket of water at the edge of my yard last year counts as a life force...
Quick! Drink it before they die and take the life force away!
This life force feels pretty squirmy in my mouth.
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So, I had to read a little about this and see exactly how alkaline this alkaline water really is. 8.8 -- is that correct?
Our tap water is a bit higher than that. We live in the Central US, where we have limestone-based soils. Over millenia, that leads to water that's a bit....alkaline.
A few years, an Extension Master Gardener friend of mine did an experiment that involved testing the pH of tap water and freshly collected rainwater, because we were always curious as to why plants and lawns respond so much better to rain than to sprinkling with the hose. The variation in pH was stunning. The rainwater was below 5 (acid rain). The tap water was up at 9. That rainwater helps to moderate the pH of our soils over time, making it more friendly for a wider range of plants to thrive. (Our soil is neutral 7 to 7.5)
Anybody want to buy some of our Kansas tap water?
Wow, I've laughed at some insane snake oil concepts, but this one really takes the biscuit.0 -
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tinascar2015 wrote: »So, I had to read a little about this and see exactly how alkaline this alkaline water really is. 8.8 -- is that correct?
Our tap water is a bit higher than that. We live in the Central US, where we have limestone-based soils. Over millenia, that leads to water that's a bit....alkaline.
A few years, an Extension Master Gardener friend of mine did an experiment that involved testing the pH of tap water and freshly collected rainwater, because we were always curious as to why plants and lawns respond so much better to rain than to sprinkling with the hose. The variation in pH was stunning. The rainwater was below 5 (acid rain). The tap water was up at 9. That rainwater helps to moderate the pH of our soils over time, making it more friendly for a wider range of plants to thrive. (Our soil is neutral 7 to 7.5)
Anybody want to buy some of our Kansas tap water?
Wow, I've laughed at some insane snake oil concepts, but this one really takes the biscuit.
This amuses me, because the tap water where I'm from (Northwest Arkansas) is the same way. Last time I was in town I noticed that the whole place seemed to have been swept up in the whole alkaline water craze-- even the local pizza shop was advertising that all the pizza is "now made with alkaline water." Except I guess it always has been, now they just pay extra for it. :laugh:0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Also, I used to play Oregon Trail, and I'd always get the sad song and the warning when all there was to drink was alkaline water. My people would all be frowning around their wagon, and someone would always get cholera and die.
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mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
I'd rather my drinking water not generate life. I don't think Cryptosporidium and Giardia are the kinds of life forces I want in my body.
All joking aside, if my water is hydrating me and is parasite-free, that's all that really matters to me.0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...
Also this.0 -
Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...
Calling something quackery just because you don't agree with it? You mention science but yet automatically dismiss the work of a bioengineer who has actually done research on the matter. I suppose you know more than him?
I also find it funny that just because someone doesn't understand or agree with something they have to make smart *kitten* remarks about being "stupid" from reading it. Shows how close-minded you are.0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
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I'll just leave this tidbit from a structured water site here so we can all point our fingers and laugh:
"One of the fundamental perceptual changes that we need to make is to acknowledge that water is a living substance, not the inert "wet stuff" that we've dismissed as unimportant and treated it as. I know this may be hard for some, but I can assure you that life will be harder for those who do not accept water's living, intelligent nature as truth, than for those who do. This is not because water will get pissed off or angry at us, but because we — meaning those who can't get themselves to form a healthy relationship with water based on mutual respect — will have cut ourselves off from its most sublime gifts. And here's a clue. If you are unwilling to establish a healthy relationship with water, you can't establish one with anyone else, including yourself."
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I just drink tap water. In my city it averages a pH of 8.0-8.5.
ETA: I am not worried about parasites because I lived through the Milwaukee crypto outbreak. I live in a city 30 minutes from there now and the entire SE Wisconsin area has some of the safest water because of all the upgrades after the outbreak. I do filter it because of taste.0 -
I'll just leave this tidbit from a structured water site here so we can all point our fingers and laugh:
"One of the fundamental perceptual changes that we need to make is to acknowledge that water is a living substance, not the inert "wet stuff" that we've dismissed as unimportant and treated it as. I know this may be hard for some, but I can assure you that life will be harder for those who do not accept water's living, intelligent nature as truth, than for those who do. This is not because water will get pissed off or angry at us, but because we — meaning those who can't get themselves to form a healthy relationship with water based on mutual respect — will have cut ourselves off from its most sublime gifts. And here's a clue. If you are unwilling to establish a healthy relationship with water, you can't establish one with anyone else, including yourself."
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I'll just leave this tidbit from a structured water site here so we can all point our fingers and laugh:
"One of the fundamental perceptual changes that we need to make is to acknowledge that water is a living substance, not the inert "wet stuff" that we've dismissed as unimportant and treated it as. I know this may be hard for some, but I can assure you that life will be harder for those who do not accept water's living, intelligent nature as truth, than for those who do. This is not because water will get pissed off or angry at us, but because we — meaning those who can't get themselves to form a healthy relationship with water based on mutual respect — will have cut ourselves off from its most sublime gifts. And here's a clue. If you are unwilling to establish a healthy relationship with water, you can't establish one with anyone else, including yourself."
Aww man, now I feel guilty for being so hard on my living, intelligent water...
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mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
So when the light shines through my belly button, it makes the negatively charged viscous water molecules dance around and make babies in my tummy?
On a more serious note...
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the biological benefits of anything you have listed there. Even if he has discovered this miraculous water, how exactly is this a bonus to your body? You do realise that your body's system is a delicate balancing act between hydrophobic and hydrophillic forces, along with positive and negative charges...
How would taking something that shouldn't have a charge (water) and giving it a charge possibly be of any benefit whatsoever to the human body?
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So am I reading this right.
structured water is... um. ice?
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Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
So what happens to the magic water when it hits your stomach acid?
Here is an excerpt which talks about the water not holding its structure for long.
Q: If hydrogen bonds in water only last nanoseconds, how can you maintain water’s structure?
A: The new sciences are beginning to look at many things from an energetic perspective—including water. In fact, they are beginning to define life in terms of the flow of energy rather than in terms of chemistry. When water molecules become organized to create a coherent liquid crystalline matrix, an energy “field” comes into existence around the water. It can be photographed and measured – like the aura around the human body (which is also a coherent liquid crystalline matrix.) The energy field helps to hold the liquid crystalline structure–and the structure of the molecules provides a pathway for the flow of energy. From a new perspective, this is life itself. Hence, the term, “living water.” There are things that will disrupt water’s structure: heat, microwaves and other unnatural electromagnetic frequencies, fluorescent lights, direct sunlight for a long period of time, contaminants, stagnation, etc. but when the right forces come together and a coherent field is established, hydrogen bonds become much more stable and water can maintain a good degree of structure for quite some time.0 -
Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...
Calling something quackery just because you don't agree with it? You mention science but yet automatically dismiss the work of a bioengineer who has actually done research on the matter. I suppose you know more than him?
I also find it funny that just because someone doesn't understand or agree with something they have to make smart *kitten* remarks about being "stupid" from reading it. Shows how close-minded you are.
Look, this bit may all be true - without looking up and reading the work, who knows. But at least these are all physical properties that could reasonably be affected by the changes described:
"demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light."
But the interpretation that somehow this is "intimately connected with the generation of life" is bunk.
Besides. You're drinking the stuff - do you think any zone of "structured water" is going to be maintained through your digestive tract, absorption, and use in various biochemical processes?0 -
I'll just leave this tidbit from a structured water site here so we can all point our fingers and laugh:
"One of the fundamental perceptual changes that we need to make is to acknowledge that water is a living substance, not the inert "wet stuff" that we've dismissed as unimportant and treated it as. I know this may be hard for some, but I can assure you that life will be harder for those who do not accept water's living, intelligent nature as truth, than for those who do. This is not because water will get pissed off or angry at us, but because we — meaning those who can't get themselves to form a healthy relationship with water based on mutual respect — will have cut ourselves off from its most sublime gifts. And here's a clue. If you are unwilling to establish a healthy relationship with water, you can't establish one with anyone else, including yourself."
ETA Source: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/water/shedding-more-light-on-structured-water
When I was in early elementary school, the demonstration question on one part of the standardized testing was "Remember, cats have feelings too."
It was clearly all wrong.
It should have been "Remember, water has feelings too."
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