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Alkaline water?
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Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...
Calling something quackery just because you don't agree with it? You mention science but yet automatically dismiss the work of a bioengineer who has actually done research on the matter. I suppose you know more than him?
I also find it funny that just because someone doesn't understand or agree with something they have to make smart *kitten* remarks about being "stupid" from reading it. Shows how close-minded you are.
"But what did that speech amount to? It came to this ingenuous confession of an “open mind.” The mind was indeed so open that it had nothing in it at all." - Sir Edward Clark, 18860 -
Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
So what happens to the magic water when it hits your stomach acid?
Here is an excerpt which talks about the water not holding its structure for long.
Q: If hydrogen bonds in water only last nanoseconds, how can you maintain water’s structure?
A: The new sciences are beginning to look at many things from an energetic perspective—including water. In fact, they are beginning to define life in terms of the flow of energy rather than in terms of chemistry. When water molecules become organized to create a coherent liquid crystalline matrix, an energy “field” comes into existence around the water. It can be photographed and measured – like the aura around the human body (which is also a coherent liquid crystalline matrix.) The energy field helps to hold the liquid crystalline structure–and the structure of the molecules provides a pathway for the flow of energy. From a new perspective, this is life itself. Hence, the term, “living water.” There are things that will disrupt water’s structure: heat, microwaves and other unnatural electromagnetic frequencies, fluorescent lights, direct sunlight for a long period of time, contaminants, stagnation, etc. but when the right forces come together and a coherent field is established, hydrogen bonds become much more stable and water can maintain a good degree of structure for quite some time.
This doesn't really answer what happens when it reaches stomach acid. Wouldn't that kind of nullify any of these magical properties?0 -
Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
So what happens to the magic water when it hits your stomach acid?
Here is an excerpt which talks about the water not holding its structure for long.
Q: If hydrogen bonds in water only last nanoseconds, how can you maintain water’s structure?
A: The new sciences are beginning to look at many things from an energetic perspective—including water. In fact, they are beginning to define life in terms of the flow of energy rather than in terms of chemistry. When water molecules become organized to create a coherent liquid crystalline matrix, an energy “field” comes into existence around the water. It can be photographed and measured – like the aura around the human body (which is also a coherent liquid crystalline matrix.) The energy field helps to hold the liquid crystalline structure–and the structure of the molecules provides a pathway for the flow of energy. From a new perspective, this is life itself. Hence, the term, “living water.” There are things that will disrupt water’s structure: heat, microwaves and other unnatural electromagnetic frequencies, fluorescent lights, direct sunlight for a long period of time, contaminants, stagnation, etc. but when the right forces come together and a coherent field is established, hydrogen bonds become much more stable and water can maintain a good degree of structure for quite some time.
No. It cannot. That bolded statement is false.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
Only if shown the proper respect. Structured water is no one's door mat.
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Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
So what happens to the magic water when it hits your stomach acid?
Here is an excerpt which talks about the water not holding its structure for long.
Q: If hydrogen bonds in water only last nanoseconds, how can you maintain water’s structure?
A: The new sciences are beginning to look at many things from an energetic perspective—including water. In fact, they are beginning to define life in terms of the flow of energy rather than in terms of chemistry. When water molecules become organized to create a coherent liquid crystalline matrix, an energy “field” comes into existence around the water. It can be photographed and measured – like the aura around the human body (which is also a coherent liquid crystalline matrix.) The energy field helps to hold the liquid crystalline structure–and the structure of the molecules provides a pathway for the flow of energy. From a new perspective, this is life itself. Hence, the term, “living water.” There are things that will disrupt water’s structure: heat, microwaves and other unnatural electromagnetic frequencies, fluorescent lights, direct sunlight for a long period of time, contaminants, stagnation, etc. but when the right forces come together and a coherent field is established, hydrogen bonds become much more stable and water can maintain a good degree of structure for quite some time.
No. It cannot. That bolded statement is false.
Anyhow .. If you believe this nonsense, good luck.
If you're trolling - well played. you got me.0 -
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XX double post.0
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Uhh.... uhhh....... I am sorry this post just made me a little stupider... this is beyond quackery...
Do you even science bro? Apparently not...
Calling something quackery just because you don't agree with it? You mention science but yet automatically dismiss the work of a bioengineer who has actually done research on the matter. I suppose you know more than him?
I also find it funny that just because someone doesn't understand or agree with something they have to make smart *kitten* remarks about being "stupid" from reading it. Shows how close-minded you are.
I dismiss it out of hand because it is fundamentally impossible for it to be true, and I don't know who this biochemist is, or where he got his doctorate, but anyone with high school level of chemistry is going to dismiss this as quackery.
Wait you said "bioengineer" - never mind... that makes it even funnier. It's bunk0 -
Structured water cannot hold its structure for long. The hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second)
It's pseudo-scientific nonsense.
So what happens to the magic water when it hits your stomach acid?
Here is an excerpt which talks about the water not holding its structure for long.
Q: If hydrogen bonds in water only last nanoseconds, how can you maintain water’s structure?
A: The new sciences are beginning to look at many things from an energetic perspective—including water. In fact, they are beginning to define life in terms of the flow of energy rather than in terms of chemistry. When water molecules become organized to create a coherent liquid crystalline matrix, an energy “field” comes into existence around the water. It can be photographed and measured – like the aura around the human body (which is also a coherent liquid crystalline matrix.) The energy field helps to hold the liquid crystalline structure–and the structure of the molecules provides a pathway for the flow of energy. From a new perspective, this is life itself. Hence, the term, “living water.” There are things that will disrupt water’s structure: heat, microwaves and other unnatural electromagnetic frequencies, fluorescent lights, direct sunlight for a long period of time, contaminants, stagnation, etc. but when the right forces come together and a coherent field is established, hydrogen bonds become much more stable and water can maintain a good degree of structure for quite some time.
OMG... wow... just.... wow... I can't... even...0 -
You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?0
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Are we reaching the point in the discussion where homeopathy gets added to the mix?0
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I think it's time for cat gifs
Cats in structured water!
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I only drink alkalized water with my activated almonds and homemade coconut.0
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You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?0 -
You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?0 -
not to use wikipedia as a source, but here's "hexagonal water" wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_water0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »When they say it's more expensive, they mean it's more expensive than water from, say, your tap. Which is perfectly healthy to drink and is usually regulated more heavily than bottled water anyway. If you're worried about drinking it straight, get a filter for your tap, drink filtered water from your fridge, or use a Brita pitcher. No reason to buy bottled water, alkaline or otherwise.
Plus it's better for the environment.
I have a distiller that I use at home to purify my tap water. Even after distilling one gallon there is some white residue left over at the bottom of the distiller. I distill 1-2 gallons a day and after a week there is a hard layer of white crust stuck to the bottom of the distiller that can only be removed by a chemical residue cleaner. This is the stuff that is in tap water (dissolved solids) and that your body has to filter out when drinking tap water daily. How is that perfectly healthy to drink?
Why? Distilled water is not good for you to drink... as it pulls out needed minerals like magnesium, calcium, and iron from your drinking water... which may be exactly what the "crusty stuff" is on the bottom of your distiller... either that or crap from your pipes, which has nothing to do with the water purification that your tap water source as in place in any regard... you don't just get your water straight from the water treatment plant... it most likely has to go through thousands of feet (if not a few miles) of distribution pipes before it gets to your tap....0 -
You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?
if only he'd played it some Jackie Wilson...
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mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
That paper was highly misinterpreted:
http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/5925/ez-water-fraud-or-breakthrough
And also, the compound they are discussing is not actually water. It is H3O2, not H2O.
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For some reason after reading through this thread, I want to watch Dr. Strangelove...
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You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?
I think that was this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_EmotoEmoto's water crystal experiments consisted of exposing water in glasses to different words, pictures or music, and then freezing and examining the aesthetic properties of the resulting crystals with microscopic photography.[9][14] Emoto made the claim that water exposed to positive speech and thoughts would result in visually pleasing crystals being formed when that water was frozen, and that negative intention would yield "ugly" frozen crystal formations.
So, another quack that believes in this stuff.0 -
mumblemagic wrote: »
I call BS on a large amount of this post. "Liquid crystalline water" is surely just melted ice, for example. "Life force" is not a thing water has. When applying an electrical field to water you might get rid of some mineral ions but it does not become "aggressive, whatever that means.
That's not true. Water molecules can respond to sound and light. Living water is water’s liquid crystalline phase where the molecules create a repeating geometric pattern similar to the molecular pattern in a solid quartz crystal. Although the molecules remain mobile, they move together as a coherent “whole.” Ice has a crystalline form but so does water.
Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington has provided significant evidence for water’s liquid crystalline structure. His research has demonstrated water’s capacity to form large zones of structured water. He has shown that this water has measurably different characteristics including: molecular stability, a negative electrical charge, greater viscosity, molecular alignment, and an enhanced ability to absorb certain spectra of light. He and others have provided evidence that the liquid crystalline phase of water is intimately connected with the generation of life.
Is this the dude that food babe got her "microwaved water is poisonous" bit?0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?
I think that was this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_EmotoEmoto's water crystal experiments consisted of exposing water in glasses to different words, pictures or music, and then freezing and examining the aesthetic properties of the resulting crystals with microscopic photography.[9][14] Emoto made the claim that water exposed to positive speech and thoughts would result in visually pleasing crystals being formed when that water was frozen, and that negative intention would yield "ugly" frozen crystal formations.
So, another quack that believes in this stuff.
That's it! Food Babe featured his work on her microwave rant.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?
I think that was this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_EmotoEmoto's water crystal experiments consisted of exposing water in glasses to different words, pictures or music, and then freezing and examining the aesthetic properties of the resulting crystals with microscopic photography.[9][14] Emoto made the claim that water exposed to positive speech and thoughts would result in visually pleasing crystals being formed when that water was frozen, and that negative intention would yield "ugly" frozen crystal formations.
So, another quack that believes in this stuff.
That's it! Food Babe featured his work on her microwave rant.
LOL0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »You *have* to be trolling... you can't seriously believe this stuff right?
The above excerpt came from someone who has studied water for years and also studied alongside of Dr. Mu Shik Jon, a Korean scientist who spent decades researching the properties of water. What does that have to do with trolling?
Dr. Mu Shik Jon...isn't he the one who did experiments by yelling at water? The ones that were debunked?
I think that was this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_EmotoEmoto's water crystal experiments consisted of exposing water in glasses to different words, pictures or music, and then freezing and examining the aesthetic properties of the resulting crystals with microscopic photography.[9][14] Emoto made the claim that water exposed to positive speech and thoughts would result in visually pleasing crystals being formed when that water was frozen, and that negative intention would yield "ugly" frozen crystal formations.
So, another quack that believes in this stuff.
That's it! Food Babe featured his work on her microwave rant.
I was so close!!!!
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
... so it dumped its evil ex.0 -
Why? Distilled water is not good for you to drink... as it pulls out needed minerals like magnesium, calcium, and iron from your drinking water... which may be exactly what the "crusty stuff" is on the bottom of your distiller... either that or crap from your pipes, which has nothing to do with the water purification that your tap water source as in place in any regard... you don't just get your water straight from the water treatment plant... it most likely has to go through thousands of feet (if not a few miles) of distribution pipes before it gets to your tap....
There is no definitive proof that distilled water is bad for you. So we should drink all of the contaminants in the water just to get a trace amount of minerals?
You can get all of the minerals you need from food. There was a study done that showed how much tap water you'd have to drink each day to get your recommended daily allowance of minerals because the amounts of minerals in water were so small.
You'd have to drink the following:
676 eight ounce glasses of tap water to reach the daily RDA for calcium, 1,848 glasses for magnesium, and 848 glasses for iron.0
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