everything in moderation? i respectfully disagree
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But food is supposed to be just that, fool.
Wow. I hope that's a typo...
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I think people are at different stages of the get-healthy process... so for some people not having the whole Snickers bar may just be a victory, and making the transition away from grains and dairy (for the most part) but still occasionally indulging for me is a victory. It's moderation. Moderation doesn't mean half the time for me, it means maybe 10 or 15% of the time, maybe once or twice a week.
We all have different definitions of what we should take in moderation, too. For me, I'm not about to sprint with intervals every single day of the week. But I will try to walk nearly every day and not do that in 'moderation.' I don't drink soda or fruit juice at all - I drink water, coffee, tea, and the very occasional Propel Zero. For me, I don't think about moderation there because I don't even want to taste soft drinks. For grains, I'm trying very hard to just get rid of them in general, and I haven't had them in 4 days. I used to binge like crazy on these foods, but I think trying to be 'moderate' about them would be harmful for me.
Some things are pretty terrible for us and when we think 'moderation' we should probably think about once every two weeks, or once a month, or less (processed foods, high sugar foods, etc.) But for me, having a bit of dark chocolate every day with coffee, or having frozen yogurt twice a week, that's helpful and my version of 'moderation.'
In addition, trying to go to an extreme without middle ground might set you up for failure, so maybe when you transition from one lifestyle to another, moderation isn't so terrible for a little while. Again I think moderation is in the eye of the beholder in some ways... Personally, vegetable oils, grains, most dairy (except full fat cream, butter and occasionally cheese), and sugary-processed foods should be nearly eliminated, but my moderation means having them once in a blue moon, and not so much that I go overboard.
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I think that if the OP's post were viewed by people who are not struggling with their weight, the responses would have been very different. The fact is, there is a large portion of healthy people of normal weight who eat healthy food. They probably say that they eat in "moderation", too, but I would bet that what they mean by moderation is quite different from what is meant by people struggling to change a lifetime of bad habits. I shop at a local coop that sells organic and locally produced foods. I rarely see an overweight person there. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen an overweight person there. When I go to Walmart, I rarely see a normal-sized person there. Almost everyone has a weight problem. And, if I were to ever go into a McD's, I think I would see a lot of overweight people there, too. My point is that as people go through the journey of getting to and maintaining a normal weight, they will naturally have to drop most of the processed and junk food that they now eat in "moderation"; otherwise they will never win the battle. They will yo-yo. The word "moderation" will have a different meaning. For me moderation means one BITE of my husband's dessert maybe once every couple of months. That's my treat. And, even the OP's brownies sound way to sweet for my liking. But that's just me, and where I am on my journey.
After posting this I noticed the post right before mine: absie107. Guess I should have read hers first. Same thoughts!0 -
Dawntodusk-your observation about the size of people in different places is interesting. When we first moved to Colorado from Kentucky 15 years ago, almost everyone I saw was thin or normal weight. The healthy lifestyle here is contagious and I quickly learned to take advantage of the nice outdoor conditions and move more!0
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I don't think it comes as any shock that some foods - colas, McDonalds, other processed foods, etc - are not good for us. My problem with the OP is that I'm probably as knowledgable on the food thing as she is, but don't choose to live that way (because I'm one of those strange individuals who actually love food). I also don't feel the need to preach to others who are successfully changing their lives their own way. As you get older, you start to understand that just because you believe something, doesn't necessarily make it right or true. And others really don't care what you think. (I will still fight like hell over our military though! LOL)
I'm proud to know MFP members who have made life altering changes to their bodies and lives - and still eat a snickers bar sometimes.0 -
It just takes time and dedication.
You all are clearly just not dedicated enough....
Don't you see how very condescending this is?:noway:
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And name-calling will get your point across quicker??? Whoa.....unbelievable.....:huh:You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. Just as I'm entitled to the opinion that what you're describing sounds like sheer hell and utter torture. For me, like many others, food it not just fuel. I enjoy it, I like sitting down to a meal with friends and just talking. It's a social thing. It's also frickin' delicious. I enjoy food, and I ate realitively healthily, I just had massive portions. Now, I'm fifteen pounds down from, guess what? Having things in moderation.
I made informed choices when I ate junk food. I knew it was bad for me. I wasn't deluding myself into thinking that Mcdonalds or whatever was healthy. I'm not an idiot. But it was still my choice to eat them. I used to drink one (or more) bottles of coke every day. Now, I sometimes, maybe once a week, treat myself to a can of diet coke after I've swam a mile in the pool and you know what? I'm not going to feel guilty about it. I'm damn prpoud of myself for cutting down so much on Coke because I was absolutely addicted. I also sometimes eat some chocolate, but I always, ALWAYS add it to my calorie goal. And I'm still losing weight and feeling healthier.
You probably had good intentions with this post, but you've come across as incredibly condescening and preachy. Your backtracking in comments aren't helping either. But, whatever, I wish you luck with your journey. Just maybe try to step down off your soapbox next time, and actually respectfully disagree with something when you claim to in the title, instead of alienating people and making them feel bad for not being able (or wanting) to live your lifestyle
But food is supposed to be just that, fool. That is why I see so many here that keep losing the same pounds over and over. And once upon a time that was me also.
Food is fuel and should be enjoyed through mindful eating. Not because it is a holiday, someone's birthday, wedding, anniversary, etc............Being around the people you love and care about should be about that, not the food.
I am so thankfully happy that I eat similar to the OP and I no longer have to worry about "calorie goals" and planning what I am going to eat..............with the lifestyle I live, I don't have to calorie count which gives an unbelievable amount of freedom with my lifestyle............0 -
And, you're not judging either?? Come on....Pot meet kettle....:huh:Really?!? I cant believe some of the responses on this post. #1 you have no idea what kind of "life experiance" this girl has had. By the time I was 19 I had more life experience than most 40yr olds.
So what if she was a bit preachy and had an eating disorder in the past. She is making up for it now, trying to do the right thing.
You cant possibly be shocked that fast food, processed food, and chemically altered food is bad for you. I eat junk all the time knowing that its not good even in moderation.
Everyone is so quick to judge here, if a post pop's up that even hints on the negative. I see a ton of responses like...Maybe they were having a bad day. Dont put the original OP down...etc. Yet most people jumped all over this girl like a pack of hyenas because she dared to tell you what your eating is garbage. You know its garbage
Cmon really???
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If most of a fast food outlet's customers are fat, it does not necessarily follow that most of the people who are eating that food in moderation are also fat.And, if I were to ever go into a McD's, I think I would see a lot of overweight people there, too.
At any one time most of the fat people you'll see there are fat because they are the ones eating fast food junk every day, so those are the majority of the people you'd see in any one visit, because statistically they visit there far more often.
I've never seen any evidence to show that one fast food meal a month, balanced by healthier eating at other times, will have any averse effects on the body. And no, I never eat stuff like that myself, nor am I saying people should or should not, I'm just pointing out the statistical anomaly.
From what I hear, Walmart sells fattening food. I've never seen one of their stores myself. However what you are seeing is not necessarily a direct result of organic and locally produced foods being less fattening; they can be just as high in calories as non-organic foods. What you are seeing is partly doe to the widely divergent health awareness factor which is sadly prevalent in differing socio-economic groups.I shop at a local coop that sells organic and locally produced foods. I rarely see an overweight person there. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen an overweight person there. When I go to Walmart, I rarely see a normal-sized person there.0 -
That's a lovely theory.
And those of us who don't own an oven? Or can't afford organic? Or work long hours?
Sorry, while I didn't take offense, and thought it was a lovely bit o' prose, for some people those aren't viable options.
Splurging for me is going someplace and having someone cook for me. No organic restaurants in my neck of the woods.
So, you do what's good for you, and I'll do what's good for me and the two of us shall live happily ever after.
Affording organic is easy.... Hit up your local farmers market or simply buy what is on sale. Cuts down costs and increases variety as things on sale are different every week.
Or, buy the "dirty dozen" items organic and buy the rest conventional vegetables.
Work Long hours? Well, I am going from 3:45 am - until after 10 pm at night. Sundays are cooking and prep day for me. Cut up and clean fruits and veggies well in advance, put in containers and you have them all week long. Boil your eggs so you can grab and go. Always cook left overs and take them in containers with you.
Bag your nuts so you have them readily available as snacks.
I am sorry, but I find the whole "I work long hours", my kids have practice, all as excuses. If you want a different lifestyle, you find the time to do so accordingly.
I currently work 2 jobs (1 full time, 1 part time), cook breakfast every morning for my husband and I, take care of our dogs (includes training, play time and walks), the house, pay bills, do shopping, workout and study for classes (going full time), make my own cleaning supplies, cook everything from scratch and still have time for me (getting hair, nails, tanning, massage and facials).
It just takes time and dedication.
I agree whole heartedly with the OP.
I wasn't offended because I felt "threatened" because I think the OP is right. I was offended because I was basically attacked for not being just like her. The whole condescending attitude about what people eat is ridiculous. I have read SEVERAL of your posts, and nearly ALL of them are condescending to anyone who doesn't choose your lifestyle.
It's great that it works for you, now stop trying to shove it down everyone's throats, because it may not work for them.
Food is MORE than fuel, food is something to ENJOY, otherwise, why exactly are we able to TASTE things?
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Exactly. Like I said yesterday...uh oh...the food police are here....:huh:
It just takes time and dedication.
You all are clearly just not dedicated enough....
Don't you see how very condescending this is?:noway:0 -
Please enlighten me and tell me exactly what part of that post I posted was judgemental to anyone?
And, you're not judging either?? Come on....Pot meet kettle....:huh:Really?!? I cant believe some of the responses on this post. #1 you have no idea what kind of "life experiance" this girl has had. By the time I was 19 I had more life experience than most 40yr olds.
So what if she was a bit preachy and had an eating disorder in the past. She is making up for it now, trying to do the right thing.
You cant possibly be shocked that fast food, processed food, and chemically altered food is bad for you. I eat junk all the time knowing that its not good even in moderation.
Everyone is so quick to judge here, if a post pop's up that even hints on the negative. I see a ton of responses like...Maybe they were having a bad day. Dont put the original OP down...etc. Yet most people jumped all over this girl like a pack of hyenas because she dared to tell you what your eating is garbage. You know its garbage
Cmon really???
SMH....0 -
You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. Just as I'm entitled to the opinion that what you're describing sounds like sheer hell and utter torture. For me, like many others, food it not just fuel. I enjoy it, I like sitting down to a meal with friends and just talking. It's a social thing. It's also frickin' delicious. I enjoy food, and I ate realitively healthily, I just had massive portions. Now, I'm fifteen pounds down from, guess what? Having things in moderation.
I made informed choices when I ate junk food. I knew it was bad for me. I wasn't deluding myself into thinking that Mcdonalds or whatever was healthy. I'm not an idiot. But it was still my choice to eat them. I used to drink one (or more) bottles of coke every day. Now, I sometimes, maybe once a week, treat myself to a can of diet coke after I've swam a mile in the pool and you know what? I'm not going to feel guilty about it. I'm damn prpoud of myself for cutting down so much on Coke because I was absolutely addicted. I also sometimes eat some chocolate, but I always, ALWAYS add it to my calorie goal. And I'm still losing weight and feeling healthier.
You probably had good intentions with this post, but you've come across as incredibly condescening and preachy. Your backtracking in comments aren't helping either. But, whatever, I wish you luck with your journey. Just maybe try to step down off your soapbox next time, and actually respectfully disagree with something when you claim to in the title, instead of alienating people and making them feel bad for not being able (or wanting) to live your lifestyle
But food is supposed to be just that, fool. That is why I see so many here that keep losing the same pounds over and over. And once upon a time that was me also.
Food is fuel and should be enjoyed through mindful eating. Not because it is a holiday, someone's birthday, wedding, anniversary, etc............Being around the people you love and care about should be about that, not the food.
I am so thankfully happy that I eat similar to the OP and I no longer have to worry about "calorie goals" and planning what I am going to eat..............with the lifestyle I live, I don't have to calorie count which gives an unbelievable amount of freedom with my lifestyle............
Woah, I hope that's a typo you've got there. Cos I am many things, but I am not a fool.
Food has always had social aspects to it. Why else would there be millions of restaurant's worldwide otherwise? It's a booming business. Also, tell that to the hundreds of celeberaty chefs that make their living telling us how to cook delicious food and enjoy it, usually with others. I was brought up with family dinners, helping my mum in the kitchen etc. It's always been a big part of my life, and I ENJOY it. I'm not going to deprive myself completely of the things I love. What's the point of that? Some of my friends are hardcore vegans, and I respect their beliefs, but would hate their diets. Because food is important to me. It's a part of my lifestyle and is a part that I am modifying. It's an ongoing process, but I am getting there.
I get that you're at your target weight now, and congratulations, that's great. I am not, and every day is a struggle for me, like it is for many people on here.0 -
The whole "fool" comment was not needed at all. Nobody here is a fool - except the person who thinks their way is the only way.0
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Please enlighten me and tell me exactly what part of that post I posted was judgemental to anyone?
And, you're not judging either?? Come on....Pot meet kettle....:huh:Really?!? I cant believe some of the responses on this post. #1 you have no idea what kind of "life experiance" this girl has had. By the time I was 19 I had more life experience than most 40yr olds.
So what if she was a bit preachy and had an eating disorder in the past. She is making up for it now, trying to do the right thing.
You cant possibly be shocked that fast food, processed food, and chemically altered food is bad for you. I eat junk all the time knowing that its not good even in moderation.
Everyone is so quick to judge here, if a post pop's up that even hints on the negative. I see a ton of responses like...Maybe they were having a bad day. Dont put the original OP down...etc. Yet most people jumped all over this girl like a pack of hyenas because she dared to tell you what your eating is garbage. You know its garbage
Cmon really???
SMH....
You are judging us for "jumping on her like a pack of hyenas" as it was phrased.
Is it not normal for one to lash out when they get attacked? Perhaps people viewed this as a direct attack on them. A lot of people here are changing their lifestyle from something that was varying degrees of unhealthy to something better. That isn't something that happens overnight. Seeing posts like this is like kicking someone for trying because them trying isn't good enough. I can't blame people for getting ticked off at the OP.0 -
I'm going to apologize for keeping this thread alive but can I ask you something? Since you are sooooo natural, if you are having a heart attack at 45 because of genetics and something just broke inside of you, do I just look at you and say, hhhmmm so I have to give you these drugs, like aspirin, blood thinners, and pain meds like morphine, Do you refuse because you don't take pain meds (just drink teas) and you die? Soooo, what world do you live in.....Obviously not mine
And have you been physically/fat challanged all your life?hehehe...I love the way that sounds. 0 -
I prefer the term.... Twinkie Challeged!!! :laugh:0
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I thought this was perfect and might lighten the mood........
No disrespect to anyone just thought was funny
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!""
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This is not judging, this was an observation. The original OP put her opinion out there on processed foods. And was jumped on for it. Just like the original OP I never pointed my finger at anyone in particular. And unlike the OP who never said anything to anyone specifically...Her age was attacked, her food choices were attacked, her photo was attacked...
Please enlighten me and tell me exactly what part of that post I posted was judgemental to anyone?
And, you're not judging either?? Come on....Pot meet kettle....:huh:Really?!? I cant believe some of the responses on this post. #1 you have no idea what kind of "life experiance" this girl has had. By the time I was 19 I had more life experience than most 40yr olds.
So what if she was a bit preachy and had an eating disorder in the past. She is making up for it now, trying to do the right thing.
You cant possibly be shocked that fast food, processed food, and chemically altered food is bad for you. I eat junk all the time knowing that its not good even in moderation.
Everyone is so quick to judge here, if a post pop's up that even hints on the negative. I see a ton of responses like...Maybe they were having a bad day. Dont put the original OP down...etc. Yet most people jumped all over this girl like a pack of hyenas because she dared to tell you what your eating is garbage. You know its garbage
Cmon really???
SMH....
You are judging us for "jumping on her like a pack of hyenas" as it was phrased.
Is it not normal for one to lash out when they get attacked? Perhaps people viewed this as a direct attack on them. A lot of people here are changing their lifestyle from something that was varying degrees of unhealthy to something better. That isn't something that happens overnight. Seeing posts like this is like kicking someone for trying because them trying isn't good enough. I can't blame people for getting ticked off at the OP.
Still SMH.0 -
This is not judging, this was an observation. The original OP put her opinion out there on processed foods. And was jumped on for it. Just like the original OP I never pointed my finger at anyone in particular. And unlike the OP who never said anything to anyone specifically...Her age was attacked, her food choices were attacked, her photo was attacked...
Please enlighten me and tell me exactly what part of that post I posted was judgemental to anyone?
And, you're not judging either?? Come on....Pot meet kettle....:huh:Really?!? I cant believe some of the responses on this post. #1 you have no idea what kind of "life experiance" this girl has had. By the time I was 19 I had more life experience than most 40yr olds.
So what if she was a bit preachy and had an eating disorder in the past. She is making up for it now, trying to do the right thing.
You cant possibly be shocked that fast food, processed food, and chemically altered food is bad for you. I eat junk all the time knowing that its not good even in moderation.
Everyone is so quick to judge here, if a post pop's up that even hints on the negative. I see a ton of responses like...Maybe they were having a bad day. Dont put the original OP down...etc. Yet most people jumped all over this girl like a pack of hyenas because she dared to tell you what your eating is garbage. You know its garbage
Cmon really???
SMH....
You are judging us for "jumping on her like a pack of hyenas" as it was phrased.
Is it not normal for one to lash out when they get attacked? Perhaps people viewed this as a direct attack on them. A lot of people here are changing their lifestyle from something that was varying degrees of unhealthy to something better. That isn't something that happens overnight. Seeing posts like this is like kicking someone for trying because them trying isn't good enough. I can't blame people for getting ticked off at the OP.
Still SMH.
She indirectly attacked every single person who doesn't eat like she does. She called our food poison, accused us of killing ourselves, and "spoke" as though she was more intelligent as us for eating differently. Same thing I have seen other people who shall not be named, so as not to be considered a "personal attack".
Age is often brought up, and I agree, it's wrong. I get called out for only being 27, because I must just be a dumb stupid girl you know who hasn't really lived yet because I'm not 40+.
What you said came across as judgmental to me, and many others. It may not have been your intent, but that is how it came across.0 -
I have a cheat day once a week that consists of pizza, doughnuts, chocolate and sugary drinks. Why? Because I enjoy food and taste. It's not the enemy. Lack of self control is. Your wonderful brownies probably could make people fat, too.
I couldn't have said it better myself!0 -
The whole "fool" comment was not needed at all. Nobody here is a fool - except the person who thinks their way is the only way.
It's obviously a typo.
Is this thread STILL going on? Hell, I've had a burger, chunky chips, harissa mayonnaise as well as a roast dinner (all homemade) in that time. I still seem to be breathing luckily. Any second now and the heavy metal poisoning will kick in.
I managed to get a workout in though involving deadlifts, goblets and bench. Hell, my body is a temple too. Maybe that's why some women have liked kneeling before it...
I don't think there is any need to be overly harsh on the OP. I think she was well intentioned but poorly expressed.0 -
Oh and just because it says it's Organic--IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD FOR YOU.0
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Oh and just because it says it's Organic--IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD FOR YOU.
But.... that 2lb box of brownies SAYS its ORGANIC! That means I get the whole box Riiiiiiiite?
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It was not meant to be judgmental. I also dont think that you should be speaking for "many others". Here is my question though, I didnt see the original post as an "attack". I wonder why so many people did. Do you really think that processed foods and fast food arent poison for the body? That is my question. I mean did it ever cross your mind that McDonalds was healthy good for you kind of stuff? I dont understand why her post made so many people so angry to the point of attacking the original OP regarding her choices, age etc. This is not news to anyone. I would assume (my mother always warned me about assuming) that most people over the age of 20 now know that highly processed foods are not good for you. It's everywhere. The media, your doctor's offices, schools, bus stop adds...She was offering suggestions to some of the choices, she came back on the post more than once to apologise for how brash it sounded. Yet it continued. That behavior was not warranted.
She indirectly attacked every single person who doesn't eat like she does. She called our food poison, accused us of killing ourselves, and "spoke" as though she was more intelligent as us for eating differently. Same thing I have seen other people who shall not be named, so as not to be considered a "personal attack".
Age is often brought up, and I agree, it's wrong. I get called out for only being 27, because I must just be a dumb stupid girl you know who hasn't really lived yet because I'm not 40+.
What you said came across as judgmental to me, and many others. It may not have been your intent, but that is how it came across.0 -
You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. Just as I'm entitled to the opinion that what you're describing sounds like sheer hell and utter torture. For me, like many others, food it not just fuel. I enjoy it, I like sitting down to a meal with friends and just talking. It's a social thing. It's also frickin' delicious. I enjoy food, and I ate realitively healthily, I just had massive portions. Now, I'm fifteen pounds down from, guess what? Having things in moderation.
I made informed choices when I ate junk food. I knew it was bad for me. I wasn't deluding myself into thinking that Mcdonalds or whatever was healthy. I'm not an idiot. But it was still my choice to eat them. I used to drink one (or more) bottles of coke every day. Now, I sometimes, maybe once a week, treat myself to a can of diet coke after I've swam a mile in the pool and you know what? I'm not going to feel guilty about it. I'm damn prpoud of myself for cutting down so much on Coke because I was absolutely addicted. I also sometimes eat some chocolate, but I always, ALWAYS add it to my calorie goal. And I'm still losing weight and feeling healthier.
You probably had good intentions with this post, but you've come across as incredibly condescening and preachy. Your backtracking in comments aren't helping either. But, whatever, I wish you luck with your journey. Just maybe try to step down off your soapbox next time, and actually respectfully disagree with something when you claim to in the title, instead of alienating people and making them feel bad for not being able (or wanting) to live your lifestyle
But food is supposed to be just that, fool. That is why I see so many here that keep losing the same pounds over and over. And once upon a time that was me also.
Food is fuel and should be enjoyed through mindful eating. Not because it is a holiday, someone's birthday, wedding, anniversary, etc............Being around the people you love and care about should be about that, not the food.
I am so thankfully happy that I eat similar to the OP and I no longer have to worry about "calorie goals" and planning what I am going to eat..............with the lifestyle I live, I don't have to calorie count which gives an unbelievable amount of freedom with my lifestyle............
Yes, it was a typo, supposed to be Just that, FOOD0 -
Oh and just because it says it's Organic--IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD FOR YOU.
Hopefully they are not eating organic, yet processed foods like I see on the shelves at Whole Foods. Kind of defeats the purpose.0 -
I shop at a local coop that sells organic and locally produced foods. I rarely see an overweight person there. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen an overweight person there. When I go to Walmart, I rarely see a normal-sized person there.From what I hear, Walmart sells fattening food. I've never seen one of their stores myself. However what you are seeing is not necessarily a direct result of organic and locally produced foods being less fattening; they can be just as high in calories as non-organic foods. What you are seeing is partly doe to the widely divergent health awareness factor which is sadly prevalent in differing socio-economic groups.
This particular store takes food stamps, and there are many poor/er people in my town appreciate healthy food. I actually think the food there is probably less fattening because people who shop their care about their health, so the store doesn't have foods with trans fats, HFCS or even much sugar. And the processed foods, in general, take up a very small section compared to the regular supermarket that has aisles and aisles of it. When I go to the regular supermarket, I am limited to a very tiny section of foods that I can choose from, but at this store, I can buy almost anything and it'll pretty much be fine in terms of being healthy and non-fattening.
My point was/is however, that not everyone eats at McDonalds and not everyone wants to; and not everyone would take offence to the OP's comments. The audience here is not the general public. They are a group of people struggling with bad eating habits and weight. It is not necessarily the exception to eat healthy foods. There are a lot of people like the OP and it is becoming more mainstream. Even Walmart has jumped on the organic food wagon. My other point is that moderation is relative to the person who uses the term.0 -
For the record, I don't eat any fast food. BUT I am not going to come on here preaching that MY way is the only way and those people who DO eat it are "poisoning" themselves... The correct use of words is important in computer mediated communication.
You'll lose weight eating cookies if you only eat 1200 calories of cookies a day. I'm not saying it's good, but implying that people are doing it wrong isn't right.
It works for them, fan-freaking-tastic. It would NOT work for me. I might keep it up for a week, maybe even a month, but after that I'd want some of that "poison" because I don't eat to fuel myself alone. I eat to enjoy food.
There, I spoke for myself alone, happy now?0
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