St Louis area trainer posts picture of overweight fan at Cardinals game
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Pretty sure I would choose to sit next to her over that trainer any day! Spending his time taking photos of the lady in front of him, probably an arm rest hog... plus - she had better seats!! He seems like an *kitten*. Hate the sin, not the sinner.0
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I am the fat woman on the plane that people were hypothetically speaking about. My way around it is to sit on the side of the plane that only has two seats. Since I used to fly with the hubs, he was the only one being inconvenienced. Now that we have a child, I sit with her, again, no inconvenience. Of course, you can't do that if you are flying alone. I had to once, and the man I ended up sitting with was not annoyed at all, instead he used me for a pillow. I was a little weirded out about that, but hey, it was a practical solution. The point is, people just need to accept other people as they are. I am 65 pounds smaller now, and I am going to South Carolina to take care of my grandkids for a week. Unfortunately, one of the planes has 3 seats on both sides. Now I will have to ask myself, does the third person want to sit next to a fidgety 4 year old, or a (still) big gal? Do I ask their preference or decide on my own?0
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I think the fact that you are considering other people is a plus. If it were me, I would appreciate being asked my preference.I am the fat woman on the plane that people were hypothetically speaking about. My way around it is to sit on the side of the plane that only has two seats. Since I used to fly with the hubs, he was the only one being inconvenienced. Now that we have a child, I sit with her, again, no inconvenience. Of course, you can't do that if you are flying alone. I had to once, and the man I ended up sitting with was not annoyed at all, instead he used me for a pillow. I was a little weirded out about that, but hey, it was a practical solution. The point is, people just need to accept other people as they are. I am 65 pounds smaller now, and I am going to South Carolina to take care of my grandkids for a week. Unfortunately, one of the planes has 3 seats on both sides. Now I will have to ask myself, does the third person want to sit next to a fidgety 4 year old, or a (still) big gal? Do I ask their preference or decide on my own?
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Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I say nothing but get up and move and make no apologies for it. I don't want someone else's fat thighs pinching my fat thighs. It hurts. This happens on trains and buses often as I take them regularly. I don't know about planes as I almost never fly. I don't know if changing seats is an option without making a big thing about it.
It's not an option on a plane......and that makes it really a dilemma. As a short person (5'2") who flies a lot, I find that people often infringe on my space on planes and it's pretty uncomfortable having a stranger basically on top of you for a 3 hour flight.
I don't know how to deal with it (other than what I do, which is try to get a window seat and scrunch down into half of my seat....). I get that it would be cost prohibitive for someone to buy two seats, and I certainly don't want to shame anyone. At the same time, though, their situation is impacting my experience of my (very expensive) purchase--they're basically usurping half my seat without my permission. It's really a tough one!
Maybe airlines and other venues could implement "plus size seating" that has a price premium, but not double the price? Realistically, very few people would need two whole seats, 1.5 should do. Where do we start the petition?!0 -
It's a tough one for sure. And let's look at the other side of it - "plus sized" people would prefer to be comfortable too. It's difficult for an average sized person to squeeze into those seats, let alone if you are large. I'm sure everyone could benefit from airlines considering a 1.5x sized seat.LeslieB042812 wrote: »Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I say nothing but get up and move and make no apologies for it. I don't want someone else's fat thighs pinching my fat thighs. It hurts. This happens on trains and buses often as I take them regularly. I don't know about planes as I almost never fly. I don't know if changing seats is an option without making a big thing about it.
It's not an option on a plane......and that makes it really a dilemma. As a short person (5'2") who flies a lot, I find that people often infringe on my space on planes and it's pretty uncomfortable having a stranger basically on top of you for a 3 hour flight.
I don't know how to deal with it (other than what I do, which is try to get a window seat and scrunch down into half of my seat....). I get that it would be cost prohibitive for someone to buy two seats, and I certainly don't want to shame anyone. At the same time, though, their situation is impacting my experience of my (very expensive) purchase--they're basically usurping half my seat without my permission. It's really a tough one!
Maybe airlines and other venues could implement "plus size seating" that has a price premium, but not double the price? Realistically, very few people would need two whole seats, 1.5 should do. Where do we start the petition?!
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LeslieB042812 wrote: »Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I say nothing but get up and move and make no apologies for it. I don't want someone else's fat thighs pinching my fat thighs. It hurts. This happens on trains and buses often as I take them regularly. I don't know about planes as I almost never fly. I don't know if changing seats is an option without making a big thing about it.
It's not an option on a plane......and that makes it really a dilemma. As a short person (5'2") who flies a lot, I find that people often infringe on my space on planes and it's pretty uncomfortable having a stranger basically on top of you for a 3 hour flight.
I don't know how to deal with it (other than what I do, which is try to get a window seat and scrunch down into half of my seat....). I get that it would be cost prohibitive for someone to buy two seats, and I certainly don't want to shame anyone. At the same time, though, their situation is impacting my experience of my (very expensive) purchase--they're basically usurping half my seat without my permission. It's really a tough one!
Maybe airlines and other venues could implement "plus size seating" that has a price premium, but not double the price? Realistically, very few people would need two whole seats, 1.5 should do. Where do we start the petition?!
It is an option on a plane if you educate yourself of most airline people/person of size policies. This is United's:
"A customer is required to purchase an additional seat or upgrade if they do not meet one of the following criteria:
1.The customer must be able to properly attach, buckle and wear the seat belt, with one extension if necessary, whenever the seatbelt sign is illuminated or as instructed by a crew member.*
2.The customer must be able to remain seated with the seat armrest(s) down for the entirety of the flight.
3.The customer must not significantly encroach upon the adjacent seating space."0 -
The response from B wasn't from her afterall. I'm happy for the discussion this whole incident began, but the problem with jumping on any kind of bandwagon is that it leads to people going overboard. I very much feel sorry for the real Beverly who is now having to deal with her name/story being used to go after the "trainer". smh
Look how many people here blindly believed that blog was authored by the woman involved in this incident.0 -
LOL yes, you were right. I already admitted it. Happy?brianpperkins wrote: »The response from B wasn't from her afterall. I'm happy for the discussion this whole incident began, but the problem with jumping on any kind of bandwagon is that it leads to people going overboard. I very much feel sorry for the real Beverly who is now having to deal with her name/story being used to go after the "trainer". smh
Look how many people here blindly believed that blog was authored by the woman involved in this incident.
BUT....the trainer is still a jerk.
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LOL yes, you were right. I already admitted it. Happy?brianpperkins wrote: »The response from B wasn't from her afterall. I'm happy for the discussion this whole incident began, but the problem with jumping on any kind of bandwagon is that it leads to people going overboard. I very much feel sorry for the real Beverly who is now having to deal with her name/story being used to go after the "trainer". smh
Look how many people here blindly believed that blog was authored by the woman involved in this incident.
BUT....the trainer is still a jerk.
Right. This in no way releases that jack-a55 from his actions.
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brianpperkins wrote: »LeslieB042812 wrote: »Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I say nothing but get up and move and make no apologies for it. I don't want someone else's fat thighs pinching my fat thighs. It hurts. This happens on trains and buses often as I take them regularly. I don't know about planes as I almost never fly. I don't know if changing seats is an option without making a big thing about it.
It's not an option on a plane......and that makes it really a dilemma. As a short person (5'2") who flies a lot, I find that people often infringe on my space on planes and it's pretty uncomfortable having a stranger basically on top of you for a 3 hour flight.
I don't know how to deal with it (other than what I do, which is try to get a window seat and scrunch down into half of my seat....). I get that it would be cost prohibitive for someone to buy two seats, and I certainly don't want to shame anyone. At the same time, though, their situation is impacting my experience of my (very expensive) purchase--they're basically usurping half my seat without my permission. It's really a tough one!
Maybe airlines and other venues could implement "plus size seating" that has a price premium, but not double the price? Realistically, very few people would need two whole seats, 1.5 should do. Where do we start the petition?!
It is an option on a plane if you educate yourself of most airline people/person of size policies. This is United's:
"A customer is required to purchase an additional seat or upgrade if they do not meet one of the following criteria:
1.The customer must be able to properly attach, buckle and wear the seat belt, with one extension if necessary, whenever the seatbelt sign is illuminated or as instructed by a crew member.*
2.The customer must be able to remain seated with the seat armrest(s) down for the entirety of the flight.
3.The customer must not significantly encroach upon the adjacent seating space."
I actually was able to say yes to all 3 of those requirements listed above even when I was heavier. Again, it's a matter of perception, many people are put off just by the fact that I take up my entire seat with no room left for a personal space bubble, if you will. I am not taking up their space, but they feel like I am. Also, since something like half the country is made up of larger people, to some, it's just a matter of who is bigger and then that person is causing the problem, despite the fact that both are overweight.0 -
While I disagree with the trainers shaming while not knowing the story, there is something to be said for inconveniencing others with your size.
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bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
Go her! If B ever reads this, I want to be your MFP friend! You have come a long way- and good for you for being able to attend your Cardinals game and tracking what you ate!
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bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
Go her! If B ever reads this, I want to be your MFP friend! You have come a long way- and good for you for being able to attend your Cardinals game and tracking what you ate!
It wasn't written by her.0 -
If the dude felt like it was his place to call attention to someone's unhealthy state, he should at the very least have grown a pair and said something directly. Hiding behind social media is pretty chicken $#!%0
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Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.0
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Disagree. Not fair at all. My husband weighs 75lbs more than me and he is not overweight. My child weights 30 lbs but still takes up an entire seat.chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
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chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
Using self reported weight or weigh at checkin?0 -
Also, muscle weighs more than fat, so maybe they could deduct lean body mass and charge by that?chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
Sorry, had to go there
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Fuel prices drive the costs of airline tickets. The weight of the loaded plane drives the amount of fuel used. Similar to UPS/Fed Ex.0
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brianpperkins wrote: »chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
Using self reported weight or weigh at checkin?
Buy your ticket at a $/lb price. Probably with min charges. Weigh when you checkin. No baggage fees.
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chadboyer64 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »chadboyer64 wrote: »Airlines could charge by the pound, including luggage, an have a few rows of larger seats. This would be fair because the weight of the loaded plane is what drives ticket prices.
Using self reported weight or weigh at checkin?
Buy your ticket at a $/lb price. Probably with min charges. Weigh when you checkin. No baggage fees.
You've just proposed eliminating online check in and skipping the counter ... you've just proposed making people weigh in front of others ...
Samoa Air used self reported weight when they tried this. So easy to lie in order to pay less for a ticket.0 -
I understand your rationale. I just don't agree with it.chadboyer64 wrote: »Fuel prices drive the costs of airline tickets. The weight of the loaded plane drives the amount of fuel used. Similar to UPS/Fed Ex.
It's easy to apply your rule to suitcases, but not to humans.
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Companies are very accomplished at making us mad at each other, rather than the company.
Airplane seat widths have gotten more narrow as the average person has gotten wider. Many men have shoulders that are wider than the seat widths even if they are not overweight. Rather than blaming the airlines or the ballpark for having narrow seats, people blame each other for encroachment.
Many waiting rooms (such as at hospitals) now have plenty of double-wide seats. There's nothing stopping companies from being prepared to accommodate their customers. Either charge everyone by total weight/volume or charge everyone by the trip/visit. Pick one and run with it.
Obesity is here and it's not going away without drastic societal changes. Weight loss takes time and people have the right to be in public no matter their size. Should I be a shut-in until my BMI hits the normal range?
That trainer complained about what the woman was eating. I'd guess that at least 95% of the prepared food that was available for purchase at the game wouldn't have met the trainer's standards for what she was supposed to be eating.
If we as a society need to have a discussion about obesity, it needs to start with a discussion about making healthy meals easily accessible at restaurants and other public venues. Convenience is king. Get back to me about obesity when I can walk into any fast-food restaurant and order baked fish and steamed vegetables as easily (and cheaply) as I can order a hamburger and fries.0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »Hearts_2015 wrote: »
I think you just did. lolasflatasapancake wrote: »Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I don't think there is a proper response. If anything is said, you'd be looked at as a major *kitten*. No matter how "delicately" you said something. On the one hand, people have every right to attend events that they have paid for. But at what point does society need to address the multiple seat thing? And how should that be addressed? I don't know the answers. I also can't say that I haven't thought some of the things that this "trainer" posted. I'm just not going to post it on the internet. Every thought in someone's mind should not be posted for everyone to judge and observe. If that happened, oh wait, we're there already. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in today.
I didn't say which things I thought that were similar. Also, I don't put everything in my brain the minute I'm thinking of it immediately on the internet. Smart butt.
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Many waiting rooms (such as at hospitals) now have plenty of double-wide seats.
The cost of larger seats in a waiting room is insignificant to the hospital especially compare to what it would cost the airlines....it needs to start with a discussion about making healthy meals easily accessible at restaurants and other public venues.
Let's discuss--how to we make this happen? Legislation? I'd prefer to do it by choosing not go to those places. But then there are places like Ball Parks where that 's doesn't seem to be an option.0 -
Companies are very accomplished at making us mad at each other, rather than the company.
Airplane seat widths have gotten more narrow as the average person has gotten wider. Many men have shoulders that are wider than the seat widths even if they are not overweight. Rather than blaming the airlines or the ballpark for having narrow seats, people blame each other for encroachment.
Many waiting rooms (such as at hospitals) now have plenty of double-wide seats. There's nothing stopping companies from being prepared to accommodate their customers. Either charge everyone by total weight/volume or charge everyone by the trip/visit. Pick one and run with it.
Obesity is here and it's not going away without drastic societal changes. Weight loss takes time and people have the right to be in public no matter their size. Should I be a shut-in until my BMI hits the normal range?
That trainer complained about what the woman was eating. I'd guess that at least 95% of the prepared food that was available for purchase at the game wouldn't have met the trainer's standards for what she was supposed to be eating.
If we as a society need to have a discussion about obesity, it needs to start with a discussion about making healthy meals easily accessible at restaurants and other public venues. Convenience is king. Get back to me about obesity when I can walk into any fast-food restaurant and order baked fish and steamed vegetables as easily (and cheaply) as I can order a hamburger and fries.
If the demand were truly there, a company would provide the supply.
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FYI, an apology was made on the Shark Fitness Facebook Page. Here it is... thoughts?I would like to take a moment to express my apologies to the individual in the photograph I posted and those it upset. One of the things I have learned quite painfully over the last couple of days is how sometimes something that is well intentioned can be executed poorly. I care deeply about the issue of obesity, and I have helped many people improve their health over the years. But it is right to say that I should not have posted an anonymous picture of a someone on social media in the manner I did.
My intent was to communicate to my clients and followers that we all have choices and start a conversation about obesity which is causing a great deal of harm to our nation - from its burden on the health care system, its declaration as a national security risk, the health problems and early deaths of some great people and its impact on individual rights. I believe in fitness, it’s what I do and I hope to encourage others to continue to stay on track to be the best they can be. I’m sorry my method ruined that message. I have removed the offending post and would welcome the opportunity to speak one on one with the individual if she is willing.0 -
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chadboyer64 wrote: »
Many waiting rooms (such as at hospitals) now have plenty of double-wide seats.
The cost of larger seats in a waiting room is insignificant to the hospital especially compare to what it would cost the airlines....it needs to start with a discussion about making healthy meals easily accessible at restaurants and other public venues.
Let's discuss--how to we make this happen? Legislation? I'd prefer to do it by choosing not go to those places. But then there are places like Ball Parks where that 's doesn't seem to be an option.
Airlines absolutely know that there will be overweight people flying. That's a given. They can have a section with wider seats rather than selling two seats that may or may not actually be beside each other. They can charge extra for those seats if they wish but they should certainly have them. I doubt that the current seats are properly engineered for a crash situation with one person using two seats, anyway.
As for restaurants, I don't think they can or should be forced to change their menus. However, no one should be given grief (either verbal or with dirty looks) for making "unhealthy" food choices when there's not exactly a plethora of healthy food choices. "Society" either needs to make healthy food as easily obtainable as "unhealthy" food or expect that a certain percentage of the population will be obese.
"Society" can't expect to plop a kid into the middle of a candy store and then have that kid refuse candy because they plan to eat an apple when they get home. Not gonna happen.
That's my point. The demand isn't there. The human brain and body are geared to like sugar and fat and that's what companies cater to. "Healthy" menus crash and burn because the other items sell better. The only time "society" is concerned about obesity is when it comes to health costs or direct impact such as people spilling over seats or even *gasp* seeing an obese person at the beach.brianpperkins wrote: »Companies are very accomplished at making us mad at each other, rather than the company.
Airplane seat widths have gotten more narrow as the average person has gotten wider. Many men have shoulders that are wider than the seat widths even if they are not overweight. Rather than blaming the airlines or the ballpark for having narrow seats, people blame each other for encroachment.
Many waiting rooms (such as at hospitals) now have plenty of double-wide seats. There's nothing stopping companies from being prepared to accommodate their customers. Either charge everyone by total weight/volume or charge everyone by the trip/visit. Pick one and run with it.
Obesity is here and it's not going away without drastic societal changes. Weight loss takes time and people have the right to be in public no matter their size. Should I be a shut-in until my BMI hits the normal range?
That trainer complained about what the woman was eating. I'd guess that at least 95% of the prepared food that was available for purchase at the game wouldn't have met the trainer's standards for what she was supposed to be eating.
If we as a society need to have a discussion about obesity, it needs to start with a discussion about making healthy meals easily accessible at restaurants and other public venues. Convenience is king. Get back to me about obesity when I can walk into any fast-food restaurant and order baked fish and steamed vegetables as easily (and cheaply) as I can order a hamburger and fries.
If the demand were truly there, a company would provide the supply.
People say "we need to fix obesity" and then obese people have to work hard to no longer be obese. Avoiding circumstances that will contribute to obesity is nearly impossible unless you shut yourself in the house, never socialize, and cook healthy foods for yourself. Until society makes it easier to be thin than it is to get and stay obese, obesity isn't going anywhere.0
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