St Louis area trainer posts picture of overweight fan at Cardinals game
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So... What, exactly, was the point of this thread?0
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Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I remember this coming up some months ago, as an airline company over here were going to start charging people for two seats if they were taking someone else's seat over owing to being too large. The idea got shot down, but actually, in principle I agree with it. I don't think that is fat shaming, I think it is fair (and I know many will disagree with me, but I'm not trying to start an argument, this is just my opinion).
However, these things are never straight forward-what about people who owe their size to medical conditions? It's not as if they have much of a choice, and public transport seats aren't exactly the largest seats in the world to begin with. To charge them would be unfair in my eyes. But if you are so large you are infringing on someone else's space, space they have fairly paid to have access to, and you simply don't want to or can't be bothered to try and lose the weight, then yes you should pay. Honestly, and again I know this is going to be controversial and I'm not saying it to offend or start an argument, but sometimes it feels like we tip-toe around obesity and try to make everyone feel like it's OK to be obese. I mean, fat shaming is bad and I don't in any way condone it, and if you are happy with your size then more power to you! But in our quest to make large sizes acceptable, we seem to ignore the health implications that go with it (and I know that not all obese people are unhealthy; such as body builders, technically obese but still healthier than the average 'healthy weight' person).
Just want to reiterate people, I am not trying to start an argument. As I said, in principle it sounds fair and makes sense, but in reality.....who knows. I don't.0 -
bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
Wow. 150 lost. I want to hear what this so called "trainer" has to say about this? I bet it shuts him right up.
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Okay, the guy is a jerk.
Great for "B", with a classy response. Go girl!
That being said, I am tired of the narcissism of people of size, who do take up more than their share of space. It is not fair to others who paid for a seat to be squished up to a person who takes a half seat on either side of their own seat. Vendors need to stop being afraid of offending the obese, and call it like it is, post a sign, "If you can't fit through the turnstile, you will have to purchase an additional seat.".
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I think you just did. lolasflatasapancake wrote: »Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
I don't think there is a proper response. If anything is said, you'd be looked at as a major *kitten*. No matter how "delicately" you said something. On the one hand, people have every right to attend events that they have paid for. But at what point does society need to address the multiple seat thing? And how should that be addressed? I don't know the answers. I also can't say that I haven't thought some of the things that this "trainer" posted. I'm just not going to post it on the internet. Every thought in someone's mind should not be posted for everyone to judge and observe. If that happened, oh wait, we're there already. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in today.0 -
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The trainer is after publicity which is exactly what the media gave him. Obviously he is lacking a conscience and has
some level of personality disorder.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
LOL okay. Thanks for the chuckle.brianpperkins wrote: »
Point?brianpperkins wrote: »bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
It's amazing how many "I was ..." entries there are on that blog, all authored by the antijared. The "Beverly" in the Women's Health article linked in the blog entry is a Nutrisystem follower that is eliminating salt and drinking water ... not exactly the same habits described at the ball park.
I don't care if she's noshing on a stick of butter. What he did was wrong, flat out.
Point is one ... what evidence is there that the antijared blog is actually from here considering the number of "I was ... " entries there, and two, the eating habits don't coincide. I would like to thank you for highlighting his point of how difficult it is to have an adult conversation about obesity.
If you bother to read the "I was ... " series of blogs, they all read the same. The style is identical which is unlikely from the allegedly widely disparate authors.
One can be as fat as they want ... use whatever level of profanity they wish ... smell however ... until they infringe upon others.
Even if that is the case, what right is it of his to post her photo on the internet or write about her on his Facebook page?
Since they were in public, where she had no expectation of privacy, it was well within his rights to photograph and comment all he wanted. It's the same reason why you have the right to comment on him now.
I wish it amazed me how many people rant about his judging her while they judge him and say he was wrong to use her as a generality while voicing an opinion while voicing their opinion about him specifically ... sadly, hypocrisy is now the norm.
Yep, apparently it's only wrong when OTHER people do it...0 -
As that person that would possibly get charged two seats, really really embarassed to have it pointed out. I try super hard when I'm in a public space having to share space with others to try and not encroach on someone else. I have had that person sigh when they saw me sitting in the seat next to them on the plane. If rules like this go into place, I'm not going to be able to go to movies, games, concerts or fly anywhere without having to pay twice the price, which is unaffordable for most people. I'm being penalized for the person I am, because I'm not yet the person I'm trying to become.Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
The reason people should feel good about themselves is because depression over body image can lead to eating, not exercising. If you tell me I shouldn't be happy or love myself because I'm fat, then ***k it why even bother. That's the danger in not loving yourself or feeling happy about yourself.I don't agree with fat/body-shaming but I do agree with one quote from the article:
“The customary way to respond to this now is to want to hug someone and tell them ‘no matter what size you are, that's great.' But in reality it's not great,” Hausher said.
Nowadays, people are promoting being happy and loving yourself by doing whatever you want with your body at any size when the best way to show love to yourself is to eat healthy and exercise which will lead to being in a healthy weight range.
Should I love me for who I am despite being fat? Yes. Because I am a human being worthy of love, no matter what I look like or weigh. Should I be happy despite being fat? Yes. I should be happy no matter what I look like or weigh. Should I change who I am because it is not healthy or comfortable? Yes. I should because being healthy will help me continue my years of love and happiness, and make it more comfortable to enjoy those years.0 -
As that person that would possibly get charged two seats, really really embarassed to have it pointed out. I try super hard when I'm in a public space having to share space with others to try and not encroach on someone else. I have had that person sigh when they saw me sitting in the seat next to them on the plane. If rules like this go into place, I'm not going to be able to go to movies, games, concerts or fly anywhere without having to pay twice the price, which is unaffordable for most people. I'm being penalized for the person I am, because I'm not yet the person I'm trying to become.Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
The reason people should feel good about themselves is because depression over body image can lead to eating, not exercising. If you tell me I shouldn't be happy or love myself because I'm fat, then ***k it why even bother. That's the danger in not loving yourself or feeling happy about yourself.I don't agree with fat/body-shaming but I do agree with one quote from the article:
“The customary way to respond to this now is to want to hug someone and tell them ‘no matter what size you are, that's great.' But in reality it's not great,” Hausher said.
Nowadays, people are promoting being happy and loving yourself by doing whatever you want with your body at any size when the best way to show love to yourself is to eat healthy and exercise which will lead to being in a healthy weight range.
Should I love me for who I am despite being fat? Yes. Because I am a human being worthy of love, no matter what I look like or weigh. Should I be happy despite being fat? Yes. I should be happy no matter what I look like or weigh. Should I change who I am because it is not healthy or comfortable? Yes. I should because being healthy will help me continue my years of love and happiness, and make it more comfortable to enjoy those years.
This so much this.0 -
As that person that would possibly get charged two seats, really really embarassed to have it pointed out. I try super hard when I'm in a public space having to share space with others to try and not encroach on someone else. I have had that person sigh when they saw me sitting in the seat next to them on the plane. If rules like this go into place, I'm not going to be able to go to movies, games, concerts or fly anywhere without having to pay twice the price, which is unaffordable for most people. I'm being penalized for the person I am, because I'm not yet the person I'm trying to become.Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
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In your opinion what is the best course of action for both parties involved? This is a toughy
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There is no easy answer.
Except for one thing. Be kind to other people. Period.0 -
emmydoodles83 wrote: »
As that person that would possibly get charged two seats, really really embarassed to have it pointed out. I try super hard when I'm in a public space having to share space with others to try and not encroach on someone else. I have had that person sigh when they saw me sitting in the seat next to them on the plane. If rules like this go into place, I'm not going to be able to go to movies, games, concerts or fly anywhere without having to pay twice the price, which is unaffordable for most people. I'm being penalized for the person I am, because I'm not yet the person I'm trying to become.Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
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In your opinion what is the best course of action for both parties involved? This is a toughy
I'm going to throw my opinion in here. Because if it were me being penalized in front of a bunch of people my reaction would be to go in a corner and ball my eyes out then head to peters and stuff myself. (not the best response - but hey i'm working on the emtional eating)
Many times I have been the person having to sit beside someone very large and having no space for myself and I just grin and bear it. Ya sucks to be the person sitting on a plane ride with someone else touching them. Life goes on and someone elses life is none of my business. who really wants to take the gamble on confronting someone else on their weight? On two VERY extremes this could be the outcome:
1. Obese person gets frustrated by you confronting them and decides to do something about it and lose weight. (which might not possibly be the right way and they could develop an eating disorder)
2. Obese person gets frustrated and has had enough because they are currently depressed and they decide enough is enough and injure themselves OR WORSE.
Once again i'm saying these are extreme cases but that's just not something I would want to gamble with because you never know what that person is going through.
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I won't lie, I've been known to complain about people who are bigger and maybe taking up my space on a plane.
But I complain inwardly, or to my friends/family. I don't voice every single thought that runs through my mind. Part of living in a civilization means being civilized.
And I certainly don't take someone's photo and plaster it all over the internet to make a point.
Why on earth would anyone think that's okay? Especially someone who's a personal trainer.
I hope he loses business over this. He will indeed gain frat-boy, d-bag types, which I think is right where he fits in. The childish group who still thinks it's perfectly acceptable to point and laugh at others, even when you're almost 50 years old. His body has aged but unfortunately he's still a mental and emotional child.
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QFTI won't lie, I've been known to complain about people who are bigger and maybe taking up my space on a plane.
But I complain inwardly, or to my friends/family. I don't voice every single thought that runs through my mind. Part of living in a civilization means being civilized.
And I certainly don't take someone's photo and plaster it all over the internet to make a point.
Why on earth would anyone think that's okay? Especially someone who's a personal trainer.
I hope he loses business over this. He will indeed gain frat-boy, d-bag types, which I think is right where he fits in. The childish group who still thinks it's perfectly acceptable to point and laugh at others, even when you're almost 50 years old. His body has aged but unfortunately he's still a mental and emotional child.
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So....whole response was fake. Woman in pic is anonymous. Is still anonymous. A hack writer decided to make up what he thinks her response should be (to promote his own cause)....and the only bad guy here is the trainer?
Trainer exploited picture of woman. Writer exploited picture of woman.
Can somebody please explain the difference.0 -
I hope so! I want to friend her!amyrebeccah wrote: »
You won't be sorry. She kicks *kitten* and I just hope she knows how awesome she is.
Oh I need to read this.bingo_jenn wrote: »http://theantijared.com/2015/05/i-was-the-so-called-unhealthy-fat-woman-at-the-cardinals-game-2.html
I just found this on his FB page with her response. Haven't finished reading it yet.
Says she's on MFP. She might be reading this thread right now!
As would I. Great response from B. Don't Judge others. You never know what their journey is!0 -
emmydoodles83 wrote: »
As that person that would possibly get charged two seats, really really embarassed to have it pointed out. I try super hard when I'm in a public space having to share space with others to try and not encroach on someone else. I have had that person sigh when they saw me sitting in the seat next to them on the plane. If rules like this go into place, I'm not going to be able to go to movies, games, concerts or fly anywhere without having to pay twice the price, which is unaffordable for most people. I'm being penalized for the person I am, because I'm not yet the person I'm trying to become.Question for all: What do you do when there is someone very large sitting next to you on the train/bus/plane/wherever that infringes on your seat space? As someone said above, I hate when strangers touch me. In your opinion, what is the proper response when there is someone taking up more than their share of their seat and taking up some of the space that you paid for?
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In your opinion what is the best course of action for both parties involved? This is a toughy
It absolutely is, there is no best course of action, be it suck it up and muddle through. That's not really fun for either party either. Personally, I think an increase seat width, not by a great amount (2 inches?) but that won't happen. A polite conversation to make them aware without drawing undue attention? And granted, I've seen obese people larger than me that just don't seem to care.
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I just saw that on the other thread. Still processing the information, not sure what to think of the whole thing.So....whole response was fake. Woman in pic is anonymous. Is still anonymous. A hack writer decided to make up what he thinks her response should be (to promote his own cause)....and the only bad guy here is the trainer?
Trainer exploited picture of woman. Writer exploited picture of woman.
Can somebody please explain the difference.
I still think the trainer is a DB
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The response from B wasn't from her afterall. I'm happy for the discussion this whole incident began, but the problem with jumping on any kind of bandwagon is that it leads to people going overboard. I very much feel sorry for the real Beverly who is now having to deal with her name/story being used to go after the "trainer". smh0
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From Tony "The Anti-Jared" Posnaski
"So I write stories for the people on my page and most people know what I do. I love bringing awareness to obesity and making people think differently.
This morning I was presented with a story about a woman in St. Louis who was shamed on Facebook by a trainer. I saw it and the woman who sent it to me asked me to help. So I posted the story and got no responses.
I thought more and did something I have done before with the Fatty On The Westview Track and The Obese Man On A Jetstar Plane. I put myself in the story.
The woman in the picture never came out but her story was similar to a friend named Beverly who I have written about before. I put her in the story for the people on this page.
The story got big. So big that reporters were harassing Beverly which is not fair. So I called the news station to tell them that although Beverly's story is 100% true, she was not at the game.
I apologize to the new people on the page who might not know what I am about. I am a former 400 pound man who HATES Fat shaming and any judgment. I fight it every day for the people around me.
But the story was big and more and more the reporters called.
Beverly was not the woman in the picture. I put her there to make people realize that judging an overweight person is ridiculous. If I could do it again I would.
Because I will always fight people who shame others."
https://www.facebook.com/#!/tonyposnanski?fref=ts0 -
What a tangled web we weave. SheeshFrom Tony "The Anti-Jared" Posnaski
"So I write stories for the people on my page and most people know what I do. I love bringing awareness to obesity and making people think differently.
This morning I was presented with a story about a woman in St. Louis who was shamed on Facebook by a trainer. I saw it and the woman who sent it to me asked me to help. So I posted the story and got no responses.
I thought more and did something I have done before with the Fatty On The Westview Track and The Obese Man On A Jetstar Plane. I put myself in the story.
The woman in the picture never came out but her story was similar to a friend named Beverly who I have written about before. I put her in the story for the people on this page.
The story got big. So big that reporters were harassing Beverly which is not fair. So I called the news station to tell them that although Beverly's story is 100% true, she was not at the game.
I apologize to the new people on the page who might not know what I am about. I am a former 400 pound man who HATES Fat shaming and any judgment. I fight it every day for the people around me.
But the story was big and more and more the reporters called.
Beverly was not the woman in the picture. I put her there to make people realize that judging an overweight person is ridiculous. If I could do it again I would.
Because I will always fight people who shame others."
https://www.facebook.com/#!/tonyposnanski?fref=ts
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So he would do it again even though it meant that his "friend" Beverly got harassed. Not cool, dude.0
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I just saw that on the other thread. Still processing the information, not sure what to think of the whole thing.So....whole response was fake. Woman in pic is anonymous. Is still anonymous. A hack writer decided to make up what he thinks her response should be (to promote his own cause)....and the only bad guy here is the trainer?
Trainer exploited picture of woman. Writer exploited picture of woman.
Can somebody please explain the difference.
I still think the trainer is a DB
Without a doubt.0 -
It really doesn't change the fact that what this trainer did was incredibly unprofessional and unnecessary.0
lol
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