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Thoughts on my eating philosophy?
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Luckily for me, I can grow sausage egg & cheese mcmuffins.
That work for ya?
I'd love to see someone growing any one of sodium acetate, fumaric acid, calcium sulfate, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, maltodextrin, calcium propanoate, sodium benzoate, DATEM, or sorbitan monostearate... and that's just SOME of the ingredients in the bun!0 -
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bennettinfinity wrote: »MonsoonStorm wrote: »I think its great.
Over the past few years I have seen MFP slowly trend from accepting others food choices to becoming more militant about 'macros and calorie counts at the expense of everything else'. In my humble opinion it has gone too far that way.
I am a flexible dieter, and keeping my macros in check is my main focus, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to eat more natural foods and less processed stuff. Instead of applying your own experience and biases, just applaud people for wanting to improve their eating habits. Again, there are very few restrictions mentioned in the OP's post, it is all sensible and not very restrictive at all!
If she cant make it work and needs a more flexible eating plan, then let her come back and ask for that advice when its needed.
^ This.
It's *roughly* how I eat regardless. It's not "hard" I actually did it originally more from a standpoint of wanting to support local farmers rather than a "this will make me lose weight!" stand point.
At the end of the day the majority of this forum concentrates massively on CICO and generally neglects the "wellbeing" and philosophical/belief side of things. The thing is, sometimes that extra little bit of morality behind a reasoning can sometimes make it easier for that "system" to become part of your life rather than something you are just going to try because you've tried everything else and have nothing left to lose...
I guess I still haven't quite gotten used to the immediate negative reactions any time someone makes a post like OP.
"Hey! I wish to make some changes to improve my life and help out others!"... followed by "OMG why, CICO noob, you're an idiot"
Why can't people accept that changes like the one that OP stated aren't a big deal, and if OP decides it isn't working out due to time restrictions or whatever then she's hardly about to hurl herself into a vat of Coca Cola and attempt to drink it all until she explodes...
At the end of the day, you've no idea what OP's original habits are... perhaps the only significant difference will be coke, not exactly a massive deal to be replacing coke with something else.
Go for it OP. I hope it works well for you.
*runs off to find a shakeology person to demean to make up for the support given* that's how this works, right?
*edited to add* looks like this philosophy is an extension of a restricted diet you are already on. re: digestion issues... It's a roll of the dice. You keep trying things and once you find something that works, you stick to it. You stick to it because if you don't then life becomes thoroughly miserable. I hope you find your holy grail. Try what you like and give yourself whatever 'ideals' you like to try and figure it out. Whatever helps.
I think I can help you understand... see bolded - the OP didn't bring up this aspect, but most posts of that nature carry the 'morality' vibe. If you're being more moral in the choices you're making and I'm not making the same choices, that must make me...?
For me this one isn't the case. I'm one of those vegetarian folks who does it for moral/ethical and not for diet. However, I don't think anyone else's morality is on the line if they happen to choose to put meat on their plate. Mine is totally a personal choice and while I care what I put on my plate, I don't give a gosh darn about what other people put on their plates. For most people the food they eat is not a moral choice and there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't think that's what he was talking about though, at least not in terms of the discussions as they sometimes go on these boards.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »I don't think I've suggested anywhere to never eat food from a package have I? That would just be unnecessarily restricting, if not impossible!
Isnt that what you are talking about doing anyway?
I get restricting foods for medical reasons. I dont get it otherwise.
I get feeling good about trying to eat more whole foods, but personally dont see why I would cut anything out of my diet.
Cut down, maybe, but altogether? Not for me!
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How did this become a discussion about morals?!0
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The philosophy word maybe?Nakeshia88 wrote: »How did this become a discussion about morals?!
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These discussions often take off on tangents, but many times they lead somewhere that's very interesting. I've learned alot in 2 1/2 years. Keep on keeping on.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »How did this become a discussion about morals?!
Primarily:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »[
I think I can help you understand... see bolded - the OP didn't bring up this aspect, but most posts of that nature carry the 'morality' vibe. If you're being more moral in the choices you're making and I'm not making the same choices, that must make me...?
To be fair, I think if everyone (including me) applied morality to their eating decisions no-one would be overweight (i.e applied the principle that it is wrong to over-consume). So perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
If someone else's stated principle makes another person feel bad, they must have some inner prompting already telling them they're behaving in an unprincipled manner, don't you think?
On a practical level it would be impossible for the majority of people in the world to grow/kill their own food, so for most of us there's no moral decision to be made on that front. Where I live it might be possible if I got good with a slingshot and developed a taste for urban gull meat and rats.0 -
Nakeshia88 wrote: »I don't think I've suggested anywhere to never eat food from a package have I? That would just be unnecessarily restricting, if not impossible!
Someone else did and seemed to think that's what you were doing. My post about packaged items was a response to that person (and probably mamapeach's was also).
I agree that you were clear enough that that's not what you were doing.0 -
SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
I keep meaning to play around with homemade ginger ales. I really love those when restaurants do them. But alas, I'm lazy.0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »I think its great.
Over the past few years I have seen MFP slowly trend from accepting others food choices to becoming more militant about 'macros and calorie counts at the expense of everything else'. In my humble opinion it has gone too far that way.
I am a flexible dieter, and keeping my macros in check is my main focus, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to eat more natural foods and less processed stuff. Instead of applying your own experience and biases, just applaud people for wanting to improve their eating habits. Again, there are very few restrictions mentioned in the OP's post, it is all sensible and not very restrictive at all!
If she cant make it work and needs a more flexible eating plan, then let her come back and ask for that advice when its needed.
^ This.
It's *roughly* how I eat regardless. It's not "hard" I actually did it originally more from a standpoint of wanting to support local farmers rather than a "this will make me lose weight!" stand point.
At the end of the day the majority of this forum concentrates massively on CICO and generally neglects the "wellbeing" and philosophical/belief side of things. The thing is, sometimes that extra little bit of morality behind a reasoning can sometimes make it easier for that "system" to become part of your life rather than something you are just going to try because you've tried everything else and have nothing left to lose...
I guess I still haven't quite gotten used to the immediate negative reactions any time someone makes a post like OP.
"Hey! I wish to make some changes to improve my life and help out others!"... followed by "OMG why, CICO noob, you're an idiot"
Why can't people accept that changes like the one that OP stated aren't a big deal, and if OP decides it isn't working out due to time restrictions or whatever then she's hardly about to hurl herself into a vat of Coca Cola and attempt to drink it all until she explodes...
At the end of the day, you've no idea what OP's original habits are... perhaps the only significant difference will be coke, not exactly a massive deal to be replacing coke with something else.
Go for it OP. I hope it works well for you.
*runs off to find a shakeology person to demean to make up for the support given* that's how this works, right?
*edited to add* looks like this philosophy is an extension of a restricted diet you are already on. re: digestion issues... It's a roll of the dice. You keep trying things and once you find something that works, you stick to it. You stick to it because if you don't then life becomes thoroughly miserable. I hope you find your holy grail. Try what you like and give yourself whatever 'ideals' you like to try and figure it out. Whatever helps.
*APPLAUSE*
glad i'm not the only one who sees the animosity every time someone suggests "giving something up" or "making at tiny change"
It's not the end of the world if someone decides not to eat brownies and Coke, people!!0 -
I don't do well with unnecessarily restrictive diets. My philosophy: Moderation, variation, and NO unnecessary elimination! I think that this is a healthier approach (especially mentally and for the long term). I don't feel any guilt if I eat something I'm not "supposed" to. I don't "punish" myself if I go off plan or even if I over eat (bachelorette party on Saturday was delicious and I ate well over my calorie goal, but it was one day, I enjoyed it, and now I'm just moving forward).
Normally, I do make "better" choices during 75-80% of the day (busy filling in my macros and micros), but by the end of the day, I'm having a decadent treat that I can fit within my calorie goals. My liver and kidneys (and yours, too) do a fantastic job of getting rid of the things I don't need (if they aren't working properly, you'd need to go to the hospital immediately, no diet can fix that).
"Whether or not you can pronounce a food ingredient has absolutely no relevance to its safety."
"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food." - Eric Helms
Having said that, if it works for you, more power to you! *drinks protein shake* 0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »I think its great.
Over the past few years I have seen MFP slowly trend from accepting others food choices to becoming more militant about 'macros and calorie counts at the expense of everything else'. In my humble opinion it has gone too far that way.
I am a flexible dieter, and keeping my macros in check is my main focus, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to eat more natural foods and less processed stuff. Instead of applying your own experience and biases, just applaud people for wanting to improve their eating habits. Again, there are very few restrictions mentioned in the OP's post, it is all sensible and not very restrictive at all!
If she cant make it work and needs a more flexible eating plan, then let her come back and ask for that advice when its needed.
^ This.
It's *roughly* how I eat regardless. It's not "hard" I actually did it originally more from a standpoint of wanting to support local farmers rather than a "this will make me lose weight!" stand point.
At the end of the day the majority of this forum concentrates massively on CICO and generally neglects the "wellbeing" and philosophical/belief side of things. The thing is, sometimes that extra little bit of morality behind a reasoning can sometimes make it easier for that "system" to become part of your life rather than something you are just going to try because you've tried everything else and have nothing left to lose...
I guess I still haven't quite gotten used to the immediate negative reactions any time someone makes a post like OP.
"Hey! I wish to make some changes to improve my life and help out others!"... followed by "OMG why, CICO noob, you're an idiot"
Why can't people accept that changes like the one that OP stated aren't a big deal, and if OP decides it isn't working out due to time restrictions or whatever then she's hardly about to hurl herself into a vat of Coca Cola and attempt to drink it all until she explodes...
At the end of the day, you've no idea what OP's original habits are... perhaps the only significant difference will be coke, not exactly a massive deal to be replacing coke with something else.
Go for it OP. I hope it works well for you.
*runs off to find a shakeology person to demean to make up for the support given* that's how this works, right?
*edited to add* looks like this philosophy is an extension of a restricted diet you are already on. re: digestion issues... It's a roll of the dice. You keep trying things and once you find something that works, you stick to it. You stick to it because if you don't then life becomes thoroughly miserable. I hope you find your holy grail. Try what you like and give yourself whatever 'ideals' you like to try and figure it out. Whatever helps.
*APPLAUSE*
glad i'm not the only one who sees the animosity every time someone suggests "giving something up" or "making at tiny change"
It's not the end of the world if someone decides not to eat brownies and Coke, people!!
Um. I'm pretty sure we only get upset when we see people saying they HAVE to give up these things for weight loss, or that they're bad for you, or that you can't be healthy and eat them.
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It's not the end of the world if someone decides not to eat brownies and Coke, people!!
I've never seen one of these discussions that was about someone deciding not to eat brownies and Coke.
There are plenty of foods that all of us choose not to eat, I'm sure. But if someone says "here is my philosophy of eating, what do you think" it opens the door for a broader discussion.
Also, I think there's a difference between saying "this is how I personally prefer to eat and what I find helpful" and "this is what is necessary for health/nutrition/weight loss."
For example, I find eating seasonally and getting food from a CSA or green market to be something that helps me eat better--it gets me excited about eating lots and lots of produce, trying new things and new ways of cooking, etc. But others may find that burdensome and if they think it's not good enough to just buy veggies at the grocery or cook some simple meals from home if they aren't used to it, using things like canned tomatoes and beans (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with canned tomatoes and beans), then the mythologizing of doing it like in the 1800s or whatever can end up being discouraging. That's why I think it's important to debunk some of the less helpful or woo-based "clean" stuff.
It's probably because I feel the appeal of some of the "woo" (or at least the romanticizing of the "natural" or the "local") that I feel so strongly about questioning some of it.0 -
lemonsnowdrop wrote: »MonsoonStorm wrote: »I think its great.
Over the past few years I have seen MFP slowly trend from accepting others food choices to becoming more militant about 'macros and calorie counts at the expense of everything else'. In my humble opinion it has gone too far that way.
I am a flexible dieter, and keeping my macros in check is my main focus, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to eat more natural foods and less processed stuff. Instead of applying your own experience and biases, just applaud people for wanting to improve their eating habits. Again, there are very few restrictions mentioned in the OP's post, it is all sensible and not very restrictive at all!
If she cant make it work and needs a more flexible eating plan, then let her come back and ask for that advice when its needed.
^ This.
It's *roughly* how I eat regardless. It's not "hard" I actually did it originally more from a standpoint of wanting to support local farmers rather than a "this will make me lose weight!" stand point.
At the end of the day the majority of this forum concentrates massively on CICO and generally neglects the "wellbeing" and philosophical/belief side of things. The thing is, sometimes that extra little bit of morality behind a reasoning can sometimes make it easier for that "system" to become part of your life rather than something you are just going to try because you've tried everything else and have nothing left to lose...
I guess I still haven't quite gotten used to the immediate negative reactions any time someone makes a post like OP.
"Hey! I wish to make some changes to improve my life and help out others!"... followed by "OMG why, CICO noob, you're an idiot"
Why can't people accept that changes like the one that OP stated aren't a big deal, and if OP decides it isn't working out due to time restrictions or whatever then she's hardly about to hurl herself into a vat of Coca Cola and attempt to drink it all until she explodes...
At the end of the day, you've no idea what OP's original habits are... perhaps the only significant difference will be coke, not exactly a massive deal to be replacing coke with something else.
Go for it OP. I hope it works well for you.
*runs off to find a shakeology person to demean to make up for the support given* that's how this works, right?
*edited to add* looks like this philosophy is an extension of a restricted diet you are already on. re: digestion issues... It's a roll of the dice. You keep trying things and once you find something that works, you stick to it. You stick to it because if you don't then life becomes thoroughly miserable. I hope you find your holy grail. Try what you like and give yourself whatever 'ideals' you like to try and figure it out. Whatever helps.
*APPLAUSE*
glad i'm not the only one who sees the animosity every time someone suggests "giving something up" or "making at tiny change"
It's not the end of the world if someone decides not to eat brownies and Coke, people!!
Um. I'm pretty sure we only get upset when we see people saying they HAVE to give up these things for weight loss, or that they're bad for you, or that you can't be healthy and eat them.
None of which OP has said. Yet people are still like DONT GIVE ANYTHING UP EVERRRR OMG
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lemonsnowdrop wrote: »MonsoonStorm wrote: »I think its great.
Over the past few years I have seen MFP slowly trend from accepting others food choices to becoming more militant about 'macros and calorie counts at the expense of everything else'. In my humble opinion it has gone too far that way.
I am a flexible dieter, and keeping my macros in check is my main focus, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to eat more natural foods and less processed stuff. Instead of applying your own experience and biases, just applaud people for wanting to improve their eating habits. Again, there are very few restrictions mentioned in the OP's post, it is all sensible and not very restrictive at all!
If she cant make it work and needs a more flexible eating plan, then let her come back and ask for that advice when its needed.
^ This.
It's *roughly* how I eat regardless. It's not "hard" I actually did it originally more from a standpoint of wanting to support local farmers rather than a "this will make me lose weight!" stand point.
At the end of the day the majority of this forum concentrates massively on CICO and generally neglects the "wellbeing" and philosophical/belief side of things. The thing is, sometimes that extra little bit of morality behind a reasoning can sometimes make it easier for that "system" to become part of your life rather than something you are just going to try because you've tried everything else and have nothing left to lose...
I guess I still haven't quite gotten used to the immediate negative reactions any time someone makes a post like OP.
"Hey! I wish to make some changes to improve my life and help out others!"... followed by "OMG why, CICO noob, you're an idiot"
Why can't people accept that changes like the one that OP stated aren't a big deal, and if OP decides it isn't working out due to time restrictions or whatever then she's hardly about to hurl herself into a vat of Coca Cola and attempt to drink it all until she explodes...
At the end of the day, you've no idea what OP's original habits are... perhaps the only significant difference will be coke, not exactly a massive deal to be replacing coke with something else.
Go for it OP. I hope it works well for you.
*runs off to find a shakeology person to demean to make up for the support given* that's how this works, right?
*edited to add* looks like this philosophy is an extension of a restricted diet you are already on. re: digestion issues... It's a roll of the dice. You keep trying things and once you find something that works, you stick to it. You stick to it because if you don't then life becomes thoroughly miserable. I hope you find your holy grail. Try what you like and give yourself whatever 'ideals' you like to try and figure it out. Whatever helps.
*APPLAUSE*
glad i'm not the only one who sees the animosity every time someone suggests "giving something up" or "making at tiny change"
It's not the end of the world if someone decides not to eat brownies and Coke, people!!
Um. I'm pretty sure we only get upset when we see people saying they HAVE to give up these things for weight loss, or that they're bad for you, or that you can't be healthy and eat them.
None of which OP has said. Yet people are still like DONT GIVE ANYTHING UP EVERRRR OMG
lol
No, actually, OP asked what we thought of her eating philosophy. That seems like a pretty good time to give an opinion imo.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »My new philosophy for food is that if you can't grow it, catch it, kill it or make it yourself then don't eat it. For example: I can grow fruits/vegetables/legumes/grains and nuts so these are OK; I can fish and shoot so meat is OK; and I can/could easily learn to do things like grow/grind my own flour, salt and coffee, I can brew beer, make bread and pasta so these are OK - however, I couldn't make something like Coca Cola or anything containing artificial ingredients/additives so I won't eat these things.
So lately when I'm picking up food that's in a tin, bag or box I'll read the ingredients and ask myself, could I grow or kill these ingredients, process and mix them together myself to make this? If so, then I'll buy it, if not, back it goes! What do you think of this philosophy?
Well since you asked-I think it's pretty silly and doesn't really make sense based on how you're defining the parameters. But hey, whatever floats your boat
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I agree with it. I am eating quite clean as well. I am losing weight at a slow and steady rate like never before. It feels great 0
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Just read through the thread and I'd like to give props to the OP. She asked for feedback, got it, and a generally adult-level conversation was had.
One slightly tangential perspective: I make beer as a hobby. When I started I used canned or dry malt extract and packaged hops.
As I got better at it I started to get deeper into the process. I became an all-grain brewer and mashed the barley malt myself. I even tried my hand at growing hops, which worked out well.
But as I got more into it I realized I could never get to the bottom of it. I could theoretically make my own barley malt, but that's a highly involved process. Beyond that I could grow my own barley. I could culture my own yeast. I'm not sure how I would do proper sanitation without using chlorine or other commercially available sanitizing agents.
So while I think it's great to get into the process and learn to make things closer to the source, in the end there it's pretty damn hard to get to "scratch" for almost any food or drink we consume.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Was she by chance Cajun or Creole?
That was my dad's philosophy growing up. We were nit allowed to throw out any spoiled or moldy food. It was just made into something else. We ate a lot of gumbos and jambalayas, with lots of spices.
Didn't learn about throwing out bad food until a few years into my marriage...That was a very interesting talk.
No, but her parents were Italian immigrant working people, and she grew up during the Depression/WW2.
Ahhh. I see. Do you throw things out now or is it still a struggle to do so? 0
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