WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR JUNE 2015

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  • cblue315
    cblue315 Posts: 3,836 Member
    Been pretty busy and did not have time to keep up. I think 10 pages since the last time I checked in. I did skim some and read some. Oh well. Thanks for sharing.
    Love the jokes, the recipes and the emoticon tips.
    So sorry to hear about all the losses. I lost a sister when I was little. That sadness really never leaves the family.

    Weather will be up and down this weekend, I will have to plan carefully to get my road bike in and stay dry. Next week I will be back to full race training. I have another sprint triathlon coming up in 3 weeks.

    I am having the best month ever in sales for my business. Woot!
    DH went into a panic over something this morning and I decided not to go with him. Remained calm and cool. All went very well and I am super happy with my self.
    Weigh in is in the morning. I am hoping for a pound.
    Sharing my goals with you this week helped me tremendously.

    Goals this week
    Sunday - Spin, Body Pump, Yoga - Done
    Monday - Boot Camp class - Done
    Tuesday - Trainer WO - Done
    Wednesday - Body Fitness - Done
    Thursday - Trainer WO (Traded for Friday)
    Friday - Rest Day (Traded for Thursday)
    Saturday - Spin
    This week 20 miles of road bike 0 Done
    Log every bite, sip, move - 5/7 done

    Love to all,
    Lori from Wisconsin
  • janetr7476
    janetr7476 Posts: 4,001 Member
    fanncy0626 wrote: »
    Janetr- thanks for sharing your triumph as well as your grandsons. It is a constant battle for me as well. I am addicted to sweets and carbs and am trying to find a healthy balance. You are an inspiration.

    DJ - thanks for the insight to the last minute closing possibility that makes me feel better. We have until the 2 nd at the latest.

    Mary from Minnesota

    Thanks, Mary. I appreciate your kind words. I don't feel like an inspiration, but glad it inspired you. Maybe in 30 years from now and I've kept the weight off. By then I won't remember I lost it. :)

    I'm so thankful to have found you ladies. The support and encouragement among the group is the greatest.
  • SlenderClassyElegant
    SlenderClassyElegant Posts: 62 Member
    edited June 2015
    janetr7476 wrote: »
    It dawned on me that I was expecting something of him that I was not willing to face myself. I was asking him to do something I was not willing to do myself. He didn't think he could face the rest of his life without getting high, I was SURE I couldn't face the rest of my life without sugar and all the other food I craved constantly.

    Janet, thank you for sharing about your grandson and your surgery decision. That young man had some wisdom that you needed to hear, and you were gracious enough to receive it. I am touched and wish you both lifelong health. You both now have even brighter futures because you have each other.

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    ~Jen in California
  • janetr7476
    janetr7476 Posts: 4,001 Member
    edited June 2015
    Jen in CA - Thank you so much. You're right, he had gained wisdom that I had not yet comprehended. My daughter was only 16 when she got pregnant for him, they lived with me the first four years of his life. We for sure have brighter futures. I am just bursting with pride for him.

    You're animations and the best!!!

    Janet, Oklahoma City
  • janetr7476
    janetr7476 Posts: 4,001 Member
    edited June 2015
    Lori from Wisconsin - Way to go, sounds like you have been working hard. Good luck on the weigh in tomorrow morning, hope it goes as you hope. Keeping you cool is good!!!

    Janet in Oklahoma City
  • AgnesGrey
    AgnesGrey Posts: 7 Member
    WOW you all are talkative on this forum. I love it.

    Pip- your stats make me tired just reading them.

    Penny- those veggies looked good. I love tomatoes but I am trying to stay away from anything in the nightshade family.

    Jules- so sad what has happened there. I'm glad they caught the shooter. Hope the community stays calm and pulls together.

    Marci- your hike sounds fantastic. I have always wanted to hike the portion of the PCT here in northern Washington, its sooooo beautiful.

    Jen- those berries looked scrumptious. I had to transplant my strawberries and they didn't do very good this year, so all I have are raspberries. BTW your emoticons are adorable. What grade do you teach?
  • Dsunshinern
    Dsunshinern Posts: 3 Member
    Hello all, Dani from Lincoln, Nebraska here. Starred the thread and love the group can I join?
    I have lost 23-24 pounds since March 8th, 2015. I joined MFP in May and it is helping me stay on track. My goals for June are:
    Get a battery for my pedometer.
    Figure out how many steps I am actually taking and gradually increase.
    Stay out of the red in calories, sodium and carbs.
    Get to red in fiber, calcium and protein.
    Make and keep appoint with my Doc. to check blood sugar and blood pressure.
    Find a cool place to walk for the hot days of summer.
    Dani in Nebraska

  • Dsunshinern
    Dsunshinern Posts: 3 Member
    Hi Dani & All , I am new to this community and of course over 50. I have been having medical problems and been unable to exercise. I've also put on 20 PDS. My goal is to find exercise I can do ....maybe the pool. 2nd goal is to increase protein 3rd get this 20pds off by tracking my calories.
    Dee
  • Dsunshinern
    Dsunshinern Posts: 3 Member
    Dee from Napa California
  • jmkmomm
    jmkmomm Posts: 3,247 Member
    Still soaken wet in Indiana!

    Allsion, where ARE all of our posts??? Where do they go, why do they go? Does the internet not know what happens when we get stressed???

    Peachstate, when my duahger does her geocaching, she just finds little, usually useless, things. Ellie, youngest DGD, has a stash of things that an 8 year old just has to keep, like a used rubber band, pretty rock, etc. So when they are with us, she usually grabs things from her box so she can replace what she has gotten as her geocache. But the fun of it is getting in the car, the festive attitude, using the GPS to find area, then using the compass to get closer and then the hunt!!! Hunt through bushes, climbing trees, maybe digging. It's the journey and being with some one else.

    Thanks Heather. I admire you so much in doing it. I came from such an idyllic household that I could never imagine anyone not having it. When I went into nursing school and heard other peoples stories, I was shocked. I just thought that every one had a Mom and a Dad that loved each other and provided that safe and warm, loving home. Anything else was a foreign thought to me. I just try to encourage other people to try to finally find that happy spot in their lives. It doesn't negate the act of violence, it still happened, the pain and fear is still there but it isn't as much trauma to thier lives anymore. I just like to see people being able to walk past it and not let 'it' be the master of their life anymore. It shouldn't control you. You need to control it. I am not talking about you Heather. I am talking about anyone in general. Here in the states we have CASA volunteers and they are adults that are there as an advocate for a child in court and through the system. And no, I don't know what CASA stands for.

    Pip, get thee to your eye doctor as soon as you can, tomorrow, even tonight. You can be having a torn or damaged retina or cornea. Update, Wednesday is to far away. Good for you on the MS walk, Give your boss a big hug for me!

    Carey, geocaching is an app you have on your smart phone. Well the geocaching my daughter does is done this way. When you click on that app, it lets you know if there is a 'cache' or hidden treasure in your area or area that you are willing to go to. It gives you the GPS that you follow on your smart phone and also use the compass in the app. The gPS gets you to the general area, the compass helps you hone in closer and then you have to hunt. You only know that your treasure is there, you have no idea if it up, down or where. A lot of geocachers wear those cheap lights that are on a headband so you can hunt at night. It might be in a tree or bush or even in the ground. The ones Michelle has found have been in old jars, coffee cans, something that won't biodegrade by the elements. You never know what your treasure may be. It may be an old McDonalds kids meal toy. But if you take, you must leave one. So you have to come prepared to leave something. She loves to do it with my grand daughters. That's why they love their Aunt Michelle so much. She does cool things. Mom makes them do chores and homework.

    Terri, Milwaukee, your son is a very special kid!!! But you knew that.

    Peggy, yum!!!!!

    Mary, Minnesota, is there anyone you can call to expediate the process? Can your realtor help in any way. If you have to backout of buying, that realtor will be losing out on a commission.

    BKrimpet, bad cholesterol can be genetic and either medicine or do nothing may be your only option. Also heart disease with a wonderful cholesterol can be genetic. My Dad had a perfect cholesterol and tryglicerides but he had terrible heart disease. As someone else said, no one can make you take a medicine you don't want to take.

    Sylvia, I had completely forgotten about the 3-2-1 cake. Now I must get some!!!! Philadelphia makes flavored whipped cheese and one of them is chocolate. When you put it on the 3-2-1 cake right out of the microwave, it sure doesn't take much cream cheese to put a very light frosting on.

    janetr, my nephew was a heroin addict. He was in a rehab center, court appointed, and he successfuly finished. At the very end, he did a lot of counseling with the other patients. He is now an inspirational speaker and wants to go to college to be a counselor. I have another nephew that was an alcoholic. On the day of my Dad's funeral, he put himself in an inpatient facility. He has been in AA now since 1999 and is a sponsor to many. He will never miss an AA meeting. He doesn't care what is going on. We have all discussed whether the tendency towards obsevvie behavior like drugs, alcohol, eating was genetic. I know my sister, the Mom of the alcoholic sure has a tendency to be 'hooked' on her many drugs she takes for fibromyalgia and her many orthopedic surgeries. She is aware she has to be extra careful.

    Welcome to Meredith, Miriam and Dee. Come often, join the chat and just tell us about yourself, help us and let us help you.

    Well again today we have had these huge rain bursts and then they are gone but will have another several hours later. But when it is raining, you better watch it. My sister and I have set up Father's day plans, Her husband is going to go to GFS, a big bulk place, and buy fried chicken, baked beans and potato salad. She will make a desert and my daughter will make her usual deviled eggs. When my brother in law gets the bill from GFS, we will just split it. My husband has his panties in an uproar. He and my brother in law have never gotten along that well. Have no idea why except they are both controlling people. So now my husband doesn't want to go. He doesn't want the big meal for lunch. He wants it for supper. Well my sis and her husband will be at church at our supper time, Michelle will be at dog park because that is the cooler part of the day. So now he is moping around.One time he decided he wasn't going to have Thanksgiving with us! So he stayed home and my daughters and I went. Then he asks why we didn't bring anything home to him!!! So I hope by Sunday his panties will not be in an uproar. He is talking more positively about taking medicine for his ulcerative colitis now. I think he is just getting tired of getting up 4 times a night. Sure am glad I can vent about him and he has no idea how to use the computer and see what I am saying. I have no idea what the repercussions would be if he saw what I write about him!!!

    Love you all, Joyce K, Indiana

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Posts: 610 Member
    Not sure if I will ever get caught up.

    Camping this weekend.

  • I am hiking a section of the PCT in California no less! We will begin our hike out of Mt Shasta. I love northern California and the scenery should be beautiful. The elevation is 7000 to 7400 ft for this portion. I am doing hikes at the local ski area with an elevation of 7200 to 7400 ft and in the surrounding mountains. This is one of the backpacking trips with REI Adventures as it is my 1st attempt at backpacking in 30 years and figured I needed all the help I could get.

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    Sounds amazing! What a bold choice to tackle something like that! I am very impressed! Thanks for showing us what is possible!

    Elizabeth in CA
  • Lagopus
    Lagopus Posts: 1,016 Member
    JanetR - Interesting to read about how your realization that you and your grandson were fighting the same battle against different addictions spurred you to action. May your triumphs live on!

    Concerning my veggie snacks:

    Lenora – Yes, they DO go a long way, and no, you probably couldn't eat a whole pound of raw veggies at first attempt. To be honest, it took about a month before my system was truly happy about them. But once the vegetables had become a regular component of my diet I discovered that most of my cravings were either gone, or could be distracted by a bit of raw parsnip. And I haven't been constipated once. Best of all, I feel that I'm getting my full ration of fiber, minerals and several vitamins for very few calories.

    KateKyi, Poop and Heather – the pale yellow vegetable at the back is a rutabaga, and the red one at the back right is beetroot. Okay, Poop, raw beet sounds a bit weird, but I'm amazed how often it's truly delicious. Sometimes I get hold of a variety of beet that has alternating rings of red and white. Slice them up and they look like candy cane! Heather, you cook your beets. Do you do the same with the celeriac? I've considered trying it raw but haven't quite dared yet.

    Cynthia and Lumamar – Transform that load into juice and I'd estimate the calorie content at about 150-170 (maybe 10% less than if you ate it all). I prefor to eat them as is, though, because it's more filling. Besides, it gives me something to do!

    Poop – I agree with previous posters. Get that eye looked at!

    Elizabeth - Good on you for the trek! I suffered severe headaches for several days when I went from living at sea level (Miami) to a conference in Snowmass, CO. I hope your preparatory hikes at high elevation get you well acclimatized!

    I'm gearing up for a one-week visit of son and grandkids. (Mom is staying home working.) The stores are so far away (off-island) that shopping takes a huge hunk of time, and I don't want to waste any! So today is menu planning. Luckily both kids will eat pretty much anything you put in front of them, though they won't eat it every time. In particular, they enjoy snitching veggies from my snack stash. My son is philosophical about the fact that he probably couldn't get them to eat raw rutabaga, but grandma can.

    Our neighbor has sheep and goats and the kids are already looking forward to visiting the little lambs. Too cute for words! Lambs have a certain perky intelligence in their faces that disappears as they grow into plain old sheep. We also hope for chance sightings of wildlife. Last night three ptarmigans had a rowdy party right outside our bedroom window (in plain view because of the 24-hour daylight) and my husband caught sight of an ermine this morning. That's a rare privilege!

    /Penny at the Pole
  • CynthiaT60
    CynthiaT60 Posts: 1,280 Member
    Penny/Marci: I just count what I put in the juicer. Depending on what I juice it's basically 100-150 calories per glass. I eat lots of vegetables too, but I find that I can put things in the juicer I wouldn't just eat (like fennel).

    Hope we all have a good day.

    Cynthia :flowerforyou:
  • grandmallie
    grandmallie Posts: 10,142 Member
    morning kids~
    well today has been interesting so far, I did get up with the DH at 2 am, yes thats right you read that right.. and had a cup of tea... yes the internet has been funky for awhile..
    I stopped at our local gym,yesterday as the door was open. it is a 24/7 gym, and you need a keycard do get in..
    the manager was there so I signed up for a free week trial..
    pro's- it is in town and open 24/7
    cons- to start the program fee is 149.95, 20.00 for keycard and $29.95 a month...
    I dont really know if I can afford that.. so will use it for the week and see how it goes
    contractor will be here after i leave for work and I start at 8 a.m.,and work to 5 tonight , have the weekend off, dont know id they will be working over the weekend or not...
  • metallaxi
    metallaxi Posts: 17 Member
    confirmed this morning, 1 kilogram lost
    I feel great
  • lhannon062709
    lhannon062709 Posts: 1,140 Member
    edited June 2015
    Morning, my chickens - appetite control rant ahead - warning...
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    Woke up thinking about what it's going to take to get the appetite under control...

    Trigger One:
    tried again, with thought this time, to go ahead and let the appetite have a couple hundred calories of regular breakfast yesterday morning at 8:30, as I had to run early. Still triggered that all day appetite. And was still eating when I went to bed last night. Didn't exceed my overall calorie intake, but only because of that "eat back your exercise calories" MFP does that I usually ignore. So, there's trigger one, twice this week, proof enough even for me.

    Trigger Two is time... started just scribbling WHEN I'm eating things, something MFP's not good at, and about a quarter of my calories came before noon and a quarter after 7 p.m. last night. Carey - did you think about WHEN you're eating things while you were tracking your numbers? Just asking, 'cause you're my fellow geeky grrl.

    Trigger Three is probably stress, but honestly not under any at the moment, now that the books are up and running. They FINALLY got both books hooked to my author page on Amazon, yay! The print version of "She's Thinking Out Loud" is actually available too, Amazon just takes forever to connect all the dots.

    Someone said we dump all this out with each other because otherwise we bore the living snot out of everyone else in our lives. yeah, sorry for the yada, yada...
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    Weirdly enough, I was doing better appetite and grazing-wise when I was stressing over the books, I think just because I was so busy. So, even though I work at home, I have to figure some way to keep my everloving fingers out of the cookie jar.

    And DamitJanet, that's a METAPHOR - I don't own a cookie jar, or cookies! :wink: If you say "don't eat cookies," they make you gain weight, I'll have to come find you and beat you...
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    I have hope that, if I can control my intake pre-noon and after 7 pm, I can rein this back under control. Can and will enlist the DH after 7 p.m. Plus, I'm crocheting toe-covers *also known as useless things* for sale at the Christmas craft shows and I can just keep my butt planted in the chair and hands busy then.

    I write and I run in the mornings, and I just need to stay the heck out of the kitchen, other than for coffee. When I'm struggling to write, like yesterday from 10 a.m. to about 4 p.m., I'm quilting, and can't even think about eating.
  • fanncy0626
    fanncy0626 Posts: 7,152 Member
    Good morning ladies! Just marking my spot. Today we get to start moving stuff to our new house for storage in the garage and cabin. I will bug bomb the buildings this morning to get rid of the spiders that may be living there.

    Have a great day everyone!

    Mary from Minnesota
  • DeeDee2211
    DeeDee2211 Posts: 1,133 Member
    Good morning beautiful ladies :flowerforyou:

    JanetR :) Congrats to you and your grandson!!!

    Rori :) So nice to see you popping in! Safe travels!

    Meg :) I've been thinking about getting a new computer, now you have me wondering if I want to!

    Michele :) We've had lots of humidity here in Winston, I think you're about 45 minutes to an hour away and closer to the mountains. I love going to Blowing Rock in the summer, cooler temps and less humidity there and it's just beautiful!

    Carol NC :) Wishing you the best of luck with the surgery :flowerforyou:!

    Vicki :) I'm sure your blood pressure is up because of your work situation...sending you a hug!

    Joyce :) I'm like you, I had a fabulous childhood, wonderful loving parents who adored us!

    Heather :) Much luck with book! Remember when the memories hurt, we're all there to give you a hug! Your book has arrived, I've not yet had time to read it, maybe this weekend.

    Sylvia :) You could send some rain this way, it's been hot and dry here, we did get a little rain shower last night. I could hear the grass and the flowers sighing with delight!

    Pip :) I will echo the others...get yourself to the eye Dr.!!!

    Penny close to the Pole :) I think those kids are going to have so much fun! I would love to pet a little lamb!!!

    Sassy :) So glad to see you again! Gorgeous pic!!!

    I've had company since Tuesday...departure date is tomorrow. Company is fun but....it's also tiring. I think I will spend the weekend just recouping!

    Welcome to everyone new!

    Hugs,
    DeeDee in steamy NC
  • KateKyi
    KateKyi Posts: 106 Member
    Lagopus Poop and Heather , rutabaga is our swede (the big one that is purple and cream on the outside) which sometimes people also call turnip (snowball turnip the small ones that are white). Heather I too have bought celeriac and butternut squash this week. Some of the celeriac was mashed with parsnips this week. Ill either roast or soup the squash.
  • Lagopus
    Lagopus Posts: 1,016 Member
    DeeDee2211 wrote: »
    I've had company since Tuesday...departure date is tomorrow. Company is fun but....it's also tiring. I think I will spend the weekend just recouping!

    Must share a Swedish saying: Guests are like fish. After three days they start to smell bad. :unamused:

  • lhannon062709
    lhannon062709 Posts: 1,140 Member
    Ah! Just figured out that I can rename the "meals" that are MFP's defaults, which I've done, to time-spans, (5-11 a.m., 11 to 3, 3 to 5 p.m., 5 to 7 p.m., 7 to 11 p.m.) so I can figure out when I'm eating. It went back and renamed all my old ones, so they'll be off, but no big whoop. Just need to get the grazing thing stomped out like the tiny little forest fire it is... hopefully won't be the ONLY thing I accomplish today!
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    Welcome to all the new ones... it's an amazing place, with conversations a-flying.


  • KMHilinski
    KMHilinski Posts: 14 Member
    Morning everyone!
    I lost a few days on here and trying to get caught up! Had some chest pain and fevers, ended up in the ER...they couldn't find anything. .doped me up and sent me home...virus..they said. They gave me so much morphine that I slept the next day away...forgot that I had taken my fitbit off to charge it, until my husband asked me if I knew it was in the office! Do not like being that drugged up that I cannot remember doing things!

    Fevers and pain are finally starting to go away...hoping to get back to normal and walking my 4-5 miles a day. Going to have to get serious about logging my food! I have reminders set and I just dismiss them and then get busy and forget! Any tips on how to make it more of a habit? I seem to always get to 3 or 4 days of logging in and then.... :(

    Those are my goals for July....to log my food EVERYDAY, continue walking daily and to stop the candy grazing at the office! Everyone seems to have candy at their desk...it's hard to just walk by and not grab a little piece! So instead I will bring veggies to graze on...wish me luck lol!

    Have a great day and weekend!

    Kat
  • margaretturk
    margaretturk Posts: 5,291 Member
    edited June 2015
    Penny My mom used to say that too.

    Kat hope you feel better soon. Did they run tests to confirm it was a virus?

    Sylvia thanks for the jokes. Love 'em.

    Mary my your buying and selling go smoothly.

    Number 4 from Now that I'm older here's what I've discovered.

    I finally got my head together; now my body is falling apart.
  • janetr7476
    janetr7476 Posts: 4,001 Member
    Have I mentioned lately I love this group. Thank you all for the kudos on me and my grandson. I know we all have our "stories". Addiction is an ugly thing, I think most of us have been touched by it one way or another at some time in our life. So much going on with you ladies, I enjoy reading your posts. Have a good day all. Off to water aerobics class in a bit.
  • KMHilinski
    KMHilinski Posts: 14 Member
    edited June 2015
    Margaretturk they ran tests on everything but that! They ruled out gallbladder, heart, lungs etc. Did a flue swab and then came back saying all were negative must be viral!
  • peachstategal
    peachstategal Posts: 398 Member
    Good Friday Morning to All! :)

    Kat ~ Wishing you a speedy recovery.

    My mom used to boil and mash rutabaga. I liked it but have never cooked it myself.

    My Sis and I spent over 4 hours boxing up stuff in my Mom's bedroom yesterday. That was the only room we got done. The air conditioner didn't seem to be working in that room and we were sweating like pigs. There are two more bedrooms and 4 double closets to go before we can move to the other living areas. I must say that she had/has some beautiful clothes and shoes (some still with tags) and sorry that they will have to be given to a thrift as none of us are her size. I think all of this hoarding stems from the time that she went through during the Depression Era. Her dad died during that time and they had a really difficult time. We only spent a few minutes with her at the nursing home as all she could talk about was wanting to go home. She had packed up some of her things in a pillow case and wanted us to take them to her house. It really makes us feel guilty to be emptying out her house but we cannot afford to just let it sit there empty as it has done for over a year now. Hopefully we will be able to rent it out sometime in the future.

    Carol



  • barbiecat
    barbiecat Posts: 17,248 Member
    :) Janetr, recovering from an addiction seems to require an admission of hopelessness and a willingness to go to any lengths to achieve recovery....for some it is practicing the 12 Steps of a program and for you it was the surgery and the continued vigilance to a prescribed eating plan. So many people say that they are fed up with their weight but fight all the solutions offered to them and then wonder why they don't recover....congrats to you for recognizing the problem and adhering to the solution.

    :) After some trial and error, I discovered that the eating plan that works for me is to plan my food for the day including the timing and stick to the plan no matter what. In my early days on MFP, I actually posted the whole day's food in the morning or the night before. Now, I have it planned, but don't always post it in the morning (too busy reading all your posts from the night before). I have also added new foods to what I'll eat (walnuts and flax seed, for example) and eliminated foods either because they have not enough nutritional value (recreational sugar, for example) or because I have difficulty being moderate with them (peanut butter, for example).

    <3 Barbie from slightly rainy NW Washington
  • csofled
    csofled Posts: 3,022 Member
    Good morning ladies!

    So much going on in our lives. My thoughts and prayers go out to all who are struggling right now. We are a group of very strong women and please don't forget that. Give when you can and take when you need. <3

    Well looky there it is going to rain AGAIN! I better see when I can fit in a walk this a.m. My husband said we could walk together later (he gets off early on Fridays) but not to wait for him and go ahead and walk this morning. I think he is afraid I will drop the ball on this journey as I have so many times in the past. I appreciate all of his support but his lack of confidence is unsettling even though it may be warranted.

    Have a good one ladies!

    Cheri in wet NE Ohio :)
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  • margaretturk
    margaretturk Posts: 5,291 Member
    Kat did they check for tick illnesses? My brother had Rocky Mountain Fever a few years ago and it it made him very sick. I don't know what prompted them to check for that. If you don't improve or relapse that might be a possibility too. In the area I live in Lymes Disease is a major concern. It is also difficult to make that diagnosis. Again hope you recover quickly.

    Number 5. If God wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them on my knees.

    :heart: MNMargaret
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