Red meat is GOOD for you! How Americans got it wrong...
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Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
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Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
First post and China Study?
Lol lol lol.
Eat like apes. Check.
"Science". Check.
Centenarian BS. Check.
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fernandaBush wrote: »The sugar... whenever people reduce the fat and meat they substitute it with whole grain and carbs, which is sugar. Then insulin levels start to go crazy, fat starts to accumulate and they get sick and blame it on the fat and meat that they removed in the first place.
And don't forget the part where aliens land and make us all their slaves in their limestone quarries on Planet Xwhpspw
(also little known fact, Aliens don't use vowels)0 -
Wrong country, but it reminds me of that show SuperSizers Go -- anyone seen that?
It does not inspire you to think that our ancestors ate in a super healthy way, but granted I haven't seen them do a paleo episode yet. (The Victorian one was kind of horrifying and the Restoration one gave me a new appreciation for the Puritans. Apparently they liked vegetables. Not taking the program for gospel, but I also enjoy reading old cookbooks.)
Best insane meal description I've ever seen was the dinner at Trimalchio's in the Satyricon.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD.
So you're saying if I avoid all those things...I'll live...FOREVER??
She doesn't have time to explain such complex issues to us mere mortals.
Dang....that was going to be very helpful in my attempt at immortality.
Guess I'll have to keep looking for the Sorcerer's Stone.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Some of us don't have the resources to eat steak for breakfast every day.
Little known* fact People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone.
* totally made up
You just posted it on the interwebz...so now it's true.
"People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone."
-jemhh
Off to pinterest to figure out how to turn this into wall art. Or maybe create a bento box meal with rice leaves and the lettering fashioned out of kale strips.
Who am I kidding? I'm eating t-bone for lunch, not rice and kale.0 -
Oh, I'm totally changing my lunch to include beef.0
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^^It was nice knowing the two of you.
RIP, lemurcat12 and jemhh. Vaya con dios.0 -
Prior to refrigeration, I am sure you would run out of cows before winter, if you had a t-bone for breakfast everyday.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »The basic premise that we should eat like our ancestors is full of idealistic poppycock.
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Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
At first I thought you were kidding, but now I'm worried that you're serious.0 -
While beef may not be as hazardous to our health as we were led to believe, it is certainly hazardous to the environment in the quantities we currently eat it. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meat-and-environment/
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Science "journalists" and gurus pushing agendas are dealt with harshly..
-The Happy Rainbows and Unicorn Sparkles MFP Welcome Crew
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »^^It was nice knowing the two of you.
RIP, lemurcat12 and jemhh. Vaya con dios.
We are going down in a blaze of glory.
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Also think how bad the environmental impact of an American population actually eating a variety of fresh vegetables and fruits would be...JenStasio29 wrote: »While beef may not be as hazardous to our health as we were led to believe, it is certainly hazardous to the environment in the quantities we currently eat it. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meat-and-environment/
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Inuits have been living on high fat diets for centuries with very low heart attack rate, supposedly from a few random internet quotes and a metric ton of articles on The Googles...
Dinner last night. Mmmmm...... Just a smidge over 13 ounces.
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THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! Maybe humans should just off ourselves so that poor, weak Mother Earth wont be victimized any more... Or maybe our world governments know whats best for everyone - they should make new laws to tell everyone how to live... because thats worked so well so far.-1
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daniwilford wrote: »
Prior to refrigeration, I am sure you would run out of cows before winter, if you had a t-bone for breakfast everyday.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »The basic premise that we should eat like our ancestors is full of idealistic poppycock.
This is very interesting. I have always been fascinated by "the ring of fire" around the equator. The lack of refrigeration or just cooler temperatures influenced the use of lots spices and the related spice trade. I never thought about how it, refrigeration, could have effected our diet and heart health. While it must have an effect it may not have suddenly appeared due to ice harvesting in northern climates.0 -
Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
Chimps, the closest human relative, are omnivores that eat meat, including other primates.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »^^It was nice knowing the two of you.
RIP, lemurcat12 and jemhh. Vaya con dios.
We are going down in a blaze of glory.[img][/img]
I am led to believe, by one Charles Dickens, that eating beef will express my love for the USA.
Given that this is that important period between Flag Day and the 4th, I believe this is something I must do.
(Dickens' other comments about the USA shall be ignored, for now.)0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »^^It was nice knowing the two of you.
RIP, lemurcat12 and jemhh. Vaya con dios.
We are going down in a blaze of glory.[img][/img]
I am led to believe, by one Charles Dickens, that eating beef will express my love for the USA.
Given that this is that important period between Flag Day and the 4th, I believe this is something I must do.
(Dickens' other comments about the USA shall be ignored, for now.)
Lol. Cute up the Neil Diamond...
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »^^It was nice knowing the two of you.
RIP, lemurcat12 and jemhh. Vaya con dios.
We are going down in a blaze of glory.[img][/img]
I am led to believe, by one Charles Dickens, that eating beef will express my love for the USA.
Given that this is that important period between Flag Day and the 4th, I believe this is something I must do.
(Dickens' other comments about the USA shall be ignored, for now.)
Lol. Cute up the Neil Diamond...
Love it!
Also, as I bite into my meat, I shall proclaim:
“It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.”0 -
Don't burst their bubble, they'll come back and say you're mean.Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
Chimps, the closest human relative, are omnivores that eat meat, including other primates.
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Great article: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/how-americans-used-to-eat/371895/
"About one fifth of the U.S. population was over 50 years old in 1900. This number would seem to refute the familiar argument that people formerly didn’t live long enough for heart disease to emerge as an observable problem." "Ironically—or perhaps tellingly—the heart disease “epidemic” began after a period of exceptionally reduced meat eating."
And this gem: "Charles Dickens, when he visited [America], wrote that “no breakfast was breakfast” without a T-bone steak."
Friends: Eat your red meat guilt-free as part of a delicious whole foods diet -- #CleanEating 101. I suspect this global food sickness is due to the modern introduction of processed junk and absurd amounts of added sugar.
I'll just leave this here:
As the owner of a butcher shop... "high five" to the OP! I love my red meat...and every type of meat haha 0 -
If I wasn't meant to eat meat then why do I have all of these really great sharp teeth...0
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daniwilford wrote: »
Prior to refrigeration, I am sure you would run out of cows before winter, if you had a t-bone for breakfast everyday.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »The basic premise that we should eat like our ancestors is full of idealistic poppycock.
Exactly right.
Also before Chicago became the cowschwitz slaughter capital of the world, a family cow was slaughtered once a year (winter time) and was processed to various chacruterie parts etc. to last the family for an entire year.
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Doctor says one thing.
Internet stranger who googled says something else.
What to do?
Either one could be right, but for now, I'll stick with the doctor.0 -
Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
There is a 100% chance you are going to die anyways; so why not die saving the ozone from cow farts.0 -
htimpaired wrote: »But those cows are farting a hole in the ozone.
I am doing my part to save the ozone.0 -
I don't eat meat because I don't like it, not because I think there is something wrong with it.0
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It's not perfect, but still an interested read. Also I have a suspicion that all the fear of red meat is overstated and has more to do with unhealthy eating / lack of exercise and nutritional balance than it does red meat.
Note: I say that with absolutely zero background in nutritional science, or study in anything related to biology-related fields, and having read a total of 0 peer reviewed articles on the topic. The post is mostly for fun / discussion of the article
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So, why present it as fact and come up with a conclusion about what to eat? If you love red meat, you can easily find some person on the internet claiming it is the best and healthiest food ever. You can do the same for bananas, coconuts, milk and pretty much anything else, including drugs (yes, there are forums with people praising the long term effects of drugs, and I am not talking about marijuana only either). Either do your research (in medical reviewed studies) or just eat whatever you like, not caring if it is healthy or not. Do not try to justify your eating preferences using random internet sites.0
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