SUGAR what's your view
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So what if I eat an apple's worth of sugar in the form of gummi vitamins? Is that my healthiest option?0
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@midpath I usually don't agree with this poster but I suggest you read up on sugar at this posthttp://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015#latest
hopefully that will educate you on sugar.0 -
Yeah that's nice. Scroll down a smidge and you'll see another blog from mfp saying that reducing added sugars is beneficial.
And also your link reiterated what I said about absorption.0 -
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Yeah that's nice. Scroll down a smidge and you'll see another blog from mfp saying that reducing added sugars is beneficial.
And also your link reiterated what I said about absorption.
HMMMM
this seems to dispute your whole argument about fruit vs sugar
7. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit.0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
or food coma …
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FYI, a snickers has a lower glycemic index than dates or watermelon, and lower glycemic load than dates.
The insulin index of a donut? Lower than the insulin index of a banana or grapes.0 -
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"0 -
Turkey comas? Not a tryptoFan of those.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
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Yeah that's nice. Scroll down a smidge and you'll see another blog from mfp saying that reducing added sugars is beneficial.
And also your link reiterated what I said about absorption.
HMMMM
this seems to dispute your whole argument about fruit vs sugar
7. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit.
I specifically said that they weren't different sugars. I said the timing they enter your bloodstream is different. Are you just trying to find something to argue about? You're pulling arguments out that aren't even there.0 -
Yeah that's nice. Scroll down a smidge and you'll see another blog from mfp saying that reducing added sugars is beneficial.
And also your link reiterated what I said about absorption.
HMMMM
this seems to dispute your whole argument about fruit vs sugar
7. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit.
I specifically said that they weren't different sugars. I said the timing they enter your bloodstream is different. Are you just trying to find something to argue about? You're pulling arguments out that aren't even there.
my point is that you do not understand sugar or insulin spikes, which your repeated comments confirm.0 -
FYI, a snickers has a lower glycemic index than dates or watermelon, and lower glycemic load than dates.
The insulin index of a donut? Lower than the insulin index of a banana or grapes.
Which is why I usually don't eat those. Especially not dates unless it's in the occasional desert. Bananas sometimes but not too often. Generally I stick to raspberries, or the like.0 -
Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.0 -
All that sugar, I find raspberries and other fruits stick to me.FYI, a snickers has a lower glycemic index than dates or watermelon, and lower glycemic load than dates.
The insulin index of a donut? Lower than the insulin index of a banana or grapes.
Which is why I usually don't eat those. Especially not dates unless it's in the occasional desert. Bananas sometimes but not too often. Generally I stick to raspberries, or the like.0 -
I am just going to put this there and hope someone educates themselves about insulin ..http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=3190
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Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.
I don't see why further research to help people with depression is funny. Lots of people could benefit if the future research showed tryptophan as a good anti depressant.0 -
Yeah that's nice. Scroll down a smidge and you'll see another blog from mfp saying that reducing added sugars is beneficial.
And also your link reiterated what I said about absorption.
HMMMM
this seems to dispute your whole argument about fruit vs sugar
7. How do natural and added sugars differ chemically ?
They don't. The sucrose molecule is the same wherever you find it. It can be split into a glucose and a fructose molecule under acid conditions or by an enzyme. The resulting fructose and glucose molecules are the same as the native fructose and glucose molecules from fruit.
I specifically said that they weren't different sugars. I said the timing they enter your bloodstream is different. Are you just trying to find something to argue about? You're pulling arguments out that aren't even there.
Wrong again...... You even appear to have read one link.....0 -
Excuse me if I can't find it funny to bring up tryptophan as an anti-depressant. Shame, being dysthymic, I take laughs where I can get them.
Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.
I don't see why further research to help people with depression is funny. Lots of people could benefit if the future research showed tryptophan as a good anti depressant.
There are lots of things that are precursor substances to other chemicals in the body. Research panning out them isn't usually the greatest, which is what I find funny. Well that and I don't care for serotonin based anti-depressants.
I guess I'll avoid any more protein powder or turkey tonight, wouldn't want to find this stuff too funny.0 -
Excuse me if I can't find it funny to bring up tryptophan as an anti-depressant. Shame, being dysthymic, I take laughs where I can get them.
Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.
I don't see why further research to help people with depression is funny. Lots of people could benefit if the future research showed tryptophan as a good anti depressant.
There are lots of things that are precursor substances to other chemicals in the body. Research panning out them isn't usually the greatest, which is what I find funny. Well that and I don't care for serotonin based anti-depressants.
I guess I'll avoid any more protein powder or turkey tonight, wouldn't want to find this stuff too funny.
Butthurt much0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »I like potatoes and ice cream. Not together, though.
That just made me laugh given the number of people I know who dip their fries (usually McDonalds) in softserve ice cream0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »I like potatoes and ice cream. Not together, though.
That just made me laugh given the number of people I know who dip their fries (usually McDonalds) in softserve ice cream
My husband really digs the potato chip Ben and Jerry's.0 -
Excuse me if I can't find it funny to bring up tryptophan as an anti-depressant. Shame, being dysthymic, I take laughs where I can get them.
Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.
I don't see why further research to help people with depression is funny. Lots of people could benefit if the future research showed tryptophan as a good anti depressant.
There are lots of things that are precursor substances to other chemicals in the body. Research panning out them isn't usually the greatest, which is what I find funny. Well that and I don't care for serotonin based anti-depressants.
I guess I'll avoid any more protein powder or turkey tonight, wouldn't want to find this stuff too funny.
Butthurt much
Yes, depression is pretty painful. Won't you consider my feefees? They're particularly sensitive to overgeneralized research comments unrelated to myths about food induced lethargy that everyone the thread was already aware of as myths.0 -
sugar is fine as long as long you don't go crazy on the ones that are simple carbs.0
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Excuse me if I can't find it funny to bring up tryptophan as an anti-depressant. Shame, being dysthymic, I take laughs where I can get them.
Finally facts. I'd actually bet NDJ and Tanuki are already aware the Thanksgiving tryptophan myth is a myth.
. Eating large amounts of foods high in tryptophan, such as turkey, has not been shown to cause drowsiness. This effect typically is associated with eating carbohydrates, which trigger the release of insulin. A metabolite of tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), may have application in the treatment of depression and epilepsy.flyingtanuki wrote: »First said this......Sugars that are not from fruits and veggies and dairy - unnecessary and hold zero nutrition. Just extra calories. Bad for teeth. Okay every once in a great while but personally, I don't eat them every day.
Now you're back pedaling .....My opinion that I prefer to get sugar from fruit instead of added is wrong? Okay.
Soooo... 12g of Sugar from an Apple is different than 12g of Sucrose aka Table Sugar / White Debil Powder ???
If you eat 12g of sugar from an apple it metabolizes slower and doesn't cause as much of a sugar spike, which effects me a lot. If I eat a donut I feel terrible. I get shaky, achy, and then very tired. If I eat an apple I still feel normal.
It's not backpedaling. I said from the beginning, I prefer sugar from whole foods.
so you have some kind of a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar then???
sorry but 12 grams of apple sugar = 12 grams of table sugar...
Honestly I have no idea. I don't have the money to go to a doctor but I know I feel better when i stay away from sugar for the most part. I don't even really eat a lot of fruit.
Ok …
if you eat table sugar and get your fiber from other sources then you will not have the insulin spike that you are referring to.
Also, protein spikes insulin so do you avoid that too????
Protein cannot give you a sugar crash. What's wrong with you people?
Then it's called the "turkey coma"
Though LOLs at tryptophan as an anti-depressant just because it is a serotonin precursor.
I don't see why further research to help people with depression is funny. Lots of people could benefit if the future research showed tryptophan as a good anti depressant.
There are lots of things that are precursor substances to other chemicals in the body. Research panning out them isn't usually the greatest, which is what I find funny. Well that and I don't care for serotonin based anti-depressants.
I guess I'll avoid any more protein powder or turkey tonight, wouldn't want to find this stuff too funny.
Butthurt much
Yes, depression is pretty painful. Won't you consider my feefees? They're particularly sensitive to overgeneralized research comments unrelated to myths about food induced lethargy that everyone the thread was already aware of as myths.
Forgive me I can't read minds especially not over the internet. I wasn't expecting a comment to my protein-sugar spike statement and when i received one I really didn't think it'd be to say something that they knew was false. Apparently I over estimate the people on MFP.0 -
I'm just stopping by cuz I heard we were talking McDs fries and ice cream. Though I prefer them with a chocolate shake. Then I scrolled, and laughed at the short-bussery. And found snickers.0
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That's a lot of discussion while I sleep. My view is this excess sugar more than we need is bad. And you can get sugar from carbs but, we need to think how sugar effects our body. A banana after a work out is a great energy source low calories. Eating a snicker, not the best idea.
Remember the body has to be balanced think of the liver, your gut etc. If you eat healthy with lots of different nutrients you are healthier over all. If a person ate the majority of their diet from sugar they would not be as healthy as they appear.
My issue is added sugar such as in tea, eating sweets, cakes or chocolate is foods we don't need to eat. The body processes all foods differently. Such as protein filling you up more, we know sugar is for energy, but without it being from fruit etc, it comes with no nutritional value. It's used as a cheap way to bulk food and make it taste better. Personally I don't used artificial sweeteners as it is a chemical I don't know the effect it will have.
If foods can raise the metabolism surely some can sloe it down.0
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