Who Is Trying To Lose Weight Just By Counting Calories Alone? And Why?
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bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »Well, aren't you amazing?! Congrats on being so perfect from Day One of your weight loss journey!
Some of us mere mortals take things slowly, working on one thing (say, logging all we eat), and when that gets comfortable, adding another (weighing/measuring food) and when that feels good, adding another (exercise).
But you know, I guess because some people don't do it the way you do it, they're doing it wrong.
Damn right I'm amazing!
And I'll tell you why...
Because I'm a 57 year old man with COPD, minor heart issues, and blood clot issues, who has had major surgery for internal injuries from an auto accident when I was in my 30's, have had major surgery to have about a foot of my colon removed due to diverticulitis, and who couldn't even walk up 2 flights of stairs without getting winded 7 months ago.
Now, I can walk 3 miles at a zone 2/3 cardio pace, and ride my bike 10 miles at a zone 3/4 cardio pace without any trouble.
I think that is pretty freaking amazing.
Do you think I was able to do that by dieting alone?
No... I got my lazy butt up and started doing it, and yes... I am taking it slowly. my goal is 1 pound per week, and I have lost close to 35 pounds so far, and have absolutely no doubt that I will loose the other 40 pounds to reach my goal of 150 pounds within the next year. And by then I hope to be able to walk 5 miles or more, and ride my bike 20 miles or more.
I never said anyone was doing anything wrong. I merely asked the question of why do some people not include exercise in their weight loss.
Good on you!
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booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.-1 -
bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
Oh good. More blanket statements about what you feel is best for all the peeples.
Did you not catch the .. Worry about yourself and no one else?
Seriously this is like talking to my children and kids at school ... You need to worry about you and not your neighbors.0 -
bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
I also see tons of people who kill themselves with exercise and struggle. Or, lose weight with tons of exercise then gain it all back because they stop when goal is achieved.
The key is to finding balance. Each person has their own balance.0 -
Someone calling me lazy only motivates me to flip them off.
How many calories does that burn?0 -
booksandchocolate12 wrote: »Someone calling me lazy only motivates me to flip them off.
How many calories does that burn?
Enough to have 500 grazing calories easy.0 -
Get off your high horse, people. Whether you exercise or not in not a moral issue. Judging others, calling them lazy, or even bumps on a log, on the other hand is. And even more important it's none of your business. If you are unhappy keep it to yourself. Deal with your life and forget about other people's lifes. If I wanted to hear fanatical preaching I would go to a fundamentalist church.
And for those who say it's a matter of health, both my mom and dad never exercised a day in their lives, and were healthy until their 90s. They just went around their business. And neither of them was a bump on a log. Good enough for me.
I also know people who work out every day and when they visit me in NYC are apalled because they have to walk several blocks. The need their freaking cars!!0 -
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bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
I know when people insult me-it's hugely motivational.
FWIW-a lot of people complain of being MORE hungry when they exercise. I know I am-I do it anyway bc I enjoy it but actually find it easier to lose without it. Weight loss is challenging-and a lot of people think the diet is the hard part. Personally, I could exercise all day-but it takes some serious determination to not eat my refrigerator.
I find it incredible to call people losing weight-in any way-lazy. I've never been overweight-what I am losing is vanity weight and has always been. It's inspirational to see and read about people losing lots of weight-some people lose 100's of pounds. To call those people lazy does nothing more than show your extreme ignorance and arrogance.0 -
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bcalvanese wrote: »I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
You don't know too much about motivation, do you.
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Right, so the laziness thing was motivation? Even though the original post wasn't actually trying to convince anyone to exercise - only a question as to why they don't? I'd like to think at your age OP you'd be able to own your words instead of attempting sophisty and deflection to weasel out of them when they aren't received well.0
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So what was the purpose of this thread OP? To gather all people who don't exercise and then "motivate" them, helping everyone see the light? I don't understand.0
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This is like saying, "why would anyone get an associates degree. It's just lazy. Why don't you put in the time and effort and get a PhD, all you dumb, stupid people? Really, I'm just asking out of concern. I'm really curious as to what would motivate someone to be so lazy and not bother even attempting to reach higher academically."
People's lives involve more than just diet and exercise. I'm sure if I took a fine tooth comb to your life I may very well find some areas for improvement.0 -
bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
Motivational: I don't think it means what you think it means.0 -
This is me too. I do exercise a little, but I'd rather not lol. Would it make me healthier? I'm sure it would, but losing 123 I'm pretty sure also made me healthier.christinev297 wrote: »I lost all my weight with zero exercise. I didn't exercise because yes, I was lazy and really don't like exercising.
Now I'm kinda in maintenance, and I've started walking, a lot! I don't mind it, but one of the main reasons I do it is so I can eat more.
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bcalvanese wrote: »I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
You don't know too much about motivation, do you.
Only from when I was in the Army (1983 - 1989), and believe you me... it seemed to work very well there... 0 -
I couldn't do exercise for the longest time because I have a lot of issues with my back. I lost the first 80 pounds with no real exercise, hell I was lucky some days to walk around the house. You CAN lose all your weight without exercise, but you might not like how your skin looks or whatever. Everyone is different.0
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bcalvanese wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
You don't know too much about motivation, do you.
Only from when I was in the Army (1983 - 1989), and believe you me... it seemed to work very well there...
It was a disaster there. The Army significantly changed its initial training procedures in the early 90s because - hey, here's a surprise - it turns out humiliation and shaming really suck as motivational tools when dealing with volunteers who actually have a choice.
It doesn't work well with draftees, either, but the denial of choice tends to mask immediate problems.
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How is that not what you're doing?PrizePopple wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
Oh good. More blanket statements about what you feel is best for all the peeples.
Did you not catch the .. Worry about yourself and no one else?
Seriously this is like talking to my children and kids at school ... You need to worry about you and not your neighbors.
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bcalvanese wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
You don't know too much about motivation, do you.
Only from when I was in the Army (1983 - 1989), and believe you me... it seemed to work very well there...
It was a disaster there. The Army significantly changed its initial training procedures in the early 90s because - hey, here's a surprise - it turns out humiliation and shaming really suck as motivational tools when dealing with volunteers who actually have a choice.
It doesn't work well with draftees, either, but the denial of choice tends to mask immediate problems.
So you are saying that they don't teach humility in the first couple weeks of boot camp anymore?
Not sure that is a good idea, as humility is a core virtue.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
How is that not what you're doing?PrizePopple wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »
I never called anyone lazy. If you actually read my post, I said "that just seems lazy to me", not "they seem lazy to me"
Why are you twisting my words?
Give me a break. You're splitting hairs and you know it.
Now go log your food, because it's lazy not to. Not calling you lazy, though.
Yes it is lazy not to always log my food. I eat the same things a lot of the time and know in my head how many calories it is.
And when I said "I am amazing", I only meant it as a strike back at you.
I know I am not amazing. I'm just an old guy trying to lose some weight and get healthier. And I think diet "AND" exercise is the best way to accomplish that for anyone. Not just because it is what I am doing, but because it would work for anyone who can physically do it.
And I see so many posts of people who have been struggling for months, and years, and decades, trying to do it with just calories. and it does seem like laziness to me. If a person is in good physical condition then weight control is not normally an issue. Once a person is over weight, the best thing is to use diet "AND" exercise to lose the weight and get back in shape. This gives a way better chance of maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level.
I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
Oh good. More blanket statements about what you feel is best for all the peeples.
Did you not catch the .. Worry about yourself and no one else?
Seriously this is like talking to my children and kids at school ... You need to worry about you and not your neighbors.
Oh so you're moving on to white knighting for the OP. That's cool.0 -
bcalvanese wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »bcalvanese wrote: »I didn't really mean the laziness part as an insult, but more of a motivational thing.
You don't know too much about motivation, do you.
Only from when I was in the Army (1983 - 1989), and believe you me... it seemed to work very well there...
It was a disaster there. The Army significantly changed its initial training procedures in the early 90s because - hey, here's a surprise - it turns out humiliation and shaming really suck as motivational tools when dealing with volunteers who actually have a choice.
It doesn't work well with draftees, either, but the denial of choice tends to mask immediate problems.
So you are saying that they don't teach humility in the first couple weeks of boot camp anymore?
Not sure that is a good idea, as humility is a core virtue.
Oh wow. The irony is painful.0 -
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here I thought that was going to be a legitimate question. At least till I read it. I agree that it was hurtful and no one's business. At the same time other people have there own reasons weather personal or medical. My self I am just starting out and I have trouble just walking around the block. I get winded just walking up a flight of 15 steps. I'm O.C.D. when it comes to the stairs. I count. It's something I do. But I can see how the exercise allows you more calorie intake. What I don't know is how to burn the sugar with out hurting myself. As I said I have trouble going around one block. I get winded. I am still trying to kick the soda habit. I drink boost at least once a day and that added to the soda I drink puts me over the top. Although the Boost has sugar it also has the nutrients in it that I need to keep me going.0
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Clearly OP is a troll...but I'll take the bait.
1. I spent the first 3 months on mfp strictly counting calories. I was 261 lbs. I was uncomfortable and huge and exercising was terrible and embarrassing. Have you ever exercised at 261 lbs? Anyway...that is where I lost my first 30 lbs.
2. Other than being huge and uncomfortable, I knew from past attempts that if I did too much, too fast, I would crash and burn. So I decided to get my eating in check, since ya know....weight loss happens in the kitchen.
3. The risk of injury is significantly increased when you're morbidly obese.
4. Oh yeah....when people like you (I would assume) laugh and yell demeaning insults when an overweight person is out walking or *gasp* trying to run? Yeah....those are fun times too.....
Those would be the top reasons why I stuck to strictly calorie counting for a while.
Do I exercise now? Every day. Do I judge people for losing weight and changing their lives the "lazy way"? Nope. I'll leave that to people like you.
So basically, I have lost 99 lbs total....62 since joining mfp and 30 of those lbs were lost being lazy. I'll take it
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were any of you even in the military?-1
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To put my 2 cents in...it is non of your business.
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