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madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
Really?madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
Yes, I deserved that. I should have known better than to ask for experience rather than the scooby workshop calculator.Oh and there's the judgement starting rather than the support. Yes, I'm fully aware of how the forums work here at MFP. I guess this thread has reached it's limit already. Feel free to close it now before it gets out of hand. Thank you all that gave advise.0 -
Honestly, on a sample size of one, as someone who was your husband's size and bigger and who lifted at that size, if the weight isn't pouring off of him at 1800, let alone 1600, he's eating stuff you don't know about or he has a medical condition. I don't mean that to be dismissive or snarky or insensitive to the effort you're making to help him help himself. It's just inconceivable to me that he'd be retaining enough fluid to more than offset the fat he should be losing.madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
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madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
SezxyStef has been one of my inspirations the last couple years. I've headed quite a bit if her advise form other threads for myself.
Okay then...my husband gets on the wagon and off the wagon and he can be stubborn...
He isn't overweight but getting "softer"...those are his words.
I let him do his thing....same with my son who is overweight.
I cook the food and let them get their own portions...they refuse to weigh so I don't force it. However my husband weighed out his smoothie today...I think it was more about taste tho.
If your husband wants to lose weight he has the tools you can't be that person who is his crutch.
Tell him the truth. 1600-1800 is too low. He needs to log his food himself so he can see what is going on with the calorie in part...the reality of it because as it stands now he will get frustrated and stop. If my husband or son asked me about nutrition I am honest with them...I don't *kitten* foot around as most know.
Helping with form is another thing. I do that with my husband he helps with mine.
Be his partner in fitness and health, he has to come to the food part himself learn how to weigh and get good at estimating portions so that he doesn't have to eventually.
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madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »Here's a tip....
Just kidding, no tips for you. Good luck on your journey.
Which is funny because when he and I had this converstaion last night I actually advised him to talk to you because I've always thought you gave really good advise when it comes to lifting. I guess I put you on an unwarranted high horse. Sorry about that.
Awe, that's sweet. Thanks so much.
Interestingly enough, my opinion about your advise doesn't change so here's my question to you, if I were to advise him to talk to you about his concerns, would you be a jerk to him too or would actually be helpful and supportive? I am a woman and his wife which, in his eyes, makes my advise arguable. I think he would have a much better and healthier journey with guys to look to for advise.
As long as he can hear me from way atop my high horse...then I would help him. To be frank, you are getting the right advice.
He needs to be eating more. I would probably be rolling at around 2500 for a while to see what happens if I were him. I would reevaluate in a few weeks to see where that got me. Since he has so much to lose, I think he can probably handle a larger deficit (hence the 2500) rather than something like 3000.0 -
madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »Here's a tip....
Just kidding, no tips for you. Good luck on your journey.
Which is funny because when he and I had this converstaion last night I actually advised him to talk to you because I've always thought you gave really good advise when it comes to lifting. I guess I put you on an unwarranted high horse. Sorry about that.
Awe, that's sweet. Thanks so much.
Interestingly enough, my opinion about your advise doesn't change so here's my question to you, if I were to advise him to talk to you about his concerns, would you be a jerk to him too or would actually be helpful and supportive? I am a woman and his wife which, in his eyes, makes my advise arguable. I think he would have a much better and healthier journey with guys to look to for advise.
As long as he can hear me from way atop my high horse...then I would help him. To be frank, you are getting the right advice.
He needs to be eating more. I would probably be rolling at around 2500 for a while to see what happens if I were him. I would reevaluate in a few weeks to see where that got me. Since he has so much to lose, I think he can probably handle a larger deficit (hence the 2500) rather than something like 3000.
Thank you, I appreciate that.0 -
madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
Really?madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
Yes, I deserved that. I should have known better than to ask for experience rather than the scooby workshop calculator.Oh and there's the judgement starting rather than the support. Yes, I'm fully aware of how the forums work here at MFP. I guess this thread has reached it's limit already. Feel free to close it now before it gets out of hand. Thank you all that gave advise.
You are assuming you get my tone when you read my replies. I'm sorry that you have the wrong impression. The only attacks I see that I'm getting are form you.0 -
madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
SezxyStef has been one of my inspirations the last couple years. I've headed quite a bit if her advise form other threads for myself.
Okay then...my husband gets on the wagon and off the wagon and he can be stubborn...
He isn't overweight but getting "softer"...those are his words.
I let him do his thing....same with my son who is overweight.
I cook the food and let them get their own portions...they refuse to weigh so I don't force it. However my husband weighed out his smoothie today...I think it was more about taste tho.
If your husband wants to lose weight he has the tools you can't be that person who is his crutch.
Tell him the truth. 1600-1800 is too low. He needs to log his food himself so he can see what is going on with the calorie in part...the reality of it because as it stands now he will get frustrated and stop. If my husband or son asked me about nutrition I am honest with them...I don't *kitten* foot around as most know.
Helping with form is another thing. I do that with my husband he helps with mine.
Be his partner in fitness and health, he has to come to the food part himself learn how to weigh and get good at estimating portions so that he doesn't have to eventually.
Absolutely, thank you.0 -
madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
Really?madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
Yes, I deserved that. I should have known better than to ask for experience rather than the scooby workshop calculator.Oh and there's the judgement starting rather than the support. Yes, I'm fully aware of how the forums work here at MFP. I guess this thread has reached it's limit already. Feel free to close it now before it gets out of hand. Thank you all that gave advise.
You are assuming you get my tone when you read my replies. I'm sorry that you have the wrong impression. The only attacks I see that I'm getting are form you.
She is not the only one who got that impression.
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mjenkins74mj wrote: »I just wish I was 6'3......
Word. Don't we all?0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
Honestly, on a sample size of one, as someone who was your husband's size and bigger and who lifted at that size, if the weight isn't pouring off of him at 1800, let alone 1600, he's eating stuff you don't know about or he has a medical condition. I don't mean that to be dismissive or snarky or insensitive to the effort you're making to help him help himself. It's just inconceivable to me that he'd be retaining enough fluid to more than offset the fat he should be losing.madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)
I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.
Yup
Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?
are you only seeing what you want to see?
2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.
My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.
he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh
give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.
My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...
based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...
^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.
No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said perviously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
And this makes absolute sense also. I would hope that he wouldn't be lying to me about what he eats when I'm not there, but it's entirely possible. I know he's not honest with himself so I can't expect more than that with me. I can promise it's not medical. We both went to our doctor a month or so ago to "checked out" just to make sure there weren't any medical problems that would prohibit our efforts.0 -
If he is new to lifting then he may have newbie gains + water retention, which is making the scale go up.
However, I agree with other that to gain ten pounds on 1600 a day there must be something else going on, which would either be a medical condition or he is eating more than you think or it is combination of newbie gains + water retention + eating more than you think.
He may want to take a diet break and eat at maintenance for a month and then slowly cut back down to a one pound per week loss (whatever that number is)0 -
What kinds of foods do you allow him to eat? How are his macros? I know adding more protein to my diet has been the key to my weigh loss. Otherwise I agree with the others who suggest he is eating more than you know.
It also might be the micromanagement isn't working for him? Not judging... just saying...0 -
If he is new to lifting then he may have newbie gains + water retention, which is making the scale go up.
However, I agree with other that to gain ten pounds on 1600 a day there must be something else going on, which would either be a medical condition or he is eating more than you think or it is combination of newbie gains + water retention + eating more than you think.
He may want to take a diet break and eat at maintenance for a month and then slowly cut back down to a one pound per week loss (whatever that number is)
What about a reverse diet?
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cindyangotti wrote: »What kinds of foods do you allow him to eat? How are his macros? I know adding more protein to my diet has been the key to my weigh loss. Otherwise I agree with the others who suggest he is eating more than you know.
It also might be the micromanagement isn't working for him? Not judging... just saying...
Oh he eats whatever he wants. The only thing I do is make sure whatever he eats is weighed and logged accurately before he eats it. I don't tell him what to eat or how much of it he can have. For example, he'll grab a bag of chips and pour what he wants onto a plate. I then weigh that portion and log it into his MFP journal. The amount of calories he eats during any given day is his choice, not what I "allow". I know people are talking about how much I "allow" him to have but that's not the case at all. I just make that what he has is accurately accounted for. I trust that he tells me everything he puts in his mouth but, unfortunately, that may not be that case. :-(0 -
madhatter2013 wrote: »cindyangotti wrote: »What kinds of foods do you allow him to eat? How are his macros? I know adding more protein to my diet has been the key to my weigh loss. Otherwise I agree with the others who suggest he is eating more than you know.
It also might be the micromanagement isn't working for him? Not judging... just saying...
Oh he eats whatever he wants. The only thing I do is make sure whatever he eats is weighed and logged accurately before he eats it. I don't tell him what to eat or how much of it he can have. For example, he'll grab a bag of chips and pour what he wants onto a plate. I then weigh that portion and log it into his MFP journal. The amount of calories he eats during any given day is his choice, not what I "allow". I know people are talking about how much I "allow" him to have but that's not the case at all. I just make that what he has is accurately accounted for. I trust that he tells me everything he puts in his mouth but, unfortunately, that may not be that case. :-(
"Kids don't tell your mother what I am eating."
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yopeeps025 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »cindyangotti wrote: »What kinds of foods do you allow him to eat? How are his macros? I know adding more protein to my diet has been the key to my weigh loss. Otherwise I agree with the others who suggest he is eating more than you know.
It also might be the micromanagement isn't working for him? Not judging... just saying...
Oh he eats whatever he wants. The only thing I do is make sure whatever he eats is weighed and logged accurately before he eats it. I don't tell him what to eat or how much of it he can have. For example, he'll grab a bag of chips and pour what he wants onto a plate. I then weigh that portion and log it into his MFP journal. The amount of calories he eats during any given day is his choice, not what I "allow". I know people are talking about how much I "allow" him to have but that's not the case at all. I just make that what he has is accurately accounted for. I trust that he tells me everything he puts in his mouth but, unfortunately, that may not be that case. :-(
"Kids don't tell your mother what I am eating."
LOL Oh no, my kids will rat on anyone. Their a bunch of narks. They're like tape recorders on feet.0 -
I'm 6'3" with some pretty severe health issues and would be a basket case at those numbers weighing in at 219lbs.
He is eating more if he is gaining.0 -
Half the time I'm not even completely honest with myself about what I've been eating.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »If he is new to lifting then he may have newbie gains + water retention, which is making the scale go up.
However, I agree with other that to gain ten pounds on 1600 a day there must be something else going on, which would either be a medical condition or he is eating more than you think or it is combination of newbie gains + water retention + eating more than you think.
He may want to take a diet break and eat at maintenance for a month and then slowly cut back down to a one pound per week loss (whatever that number is)
What about a reverse diet?
that is what I was suggesting...
reverse diet to maintenance, stay there a month, and then go back to deficit...
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yopeeps025 wrote: »If he is new to lifting then he may have newbie gains + water retention, which is making the scale go up.
However, I agree with other that to gain ten pounds on 1600 a day there must be something else going on, which would either be a medical condition or he is eating more than you think or it is combination of newbie gains + water retention + eating more than you think.
He may want to take a diet break and eat at maintenance for a month and then slowly cut back down to a one pound per week loss (whatever that number is)
What about a reverse diet?
that is what I was suggesting...
reverse diet to maintenance, stay there a month, and then go back to deficit...
Nevermind I had a different meaning for reverse diet.
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I think he's cheating ! I would also suggest trying cardio exercises instead of weight training and stop the cheat day !0
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I think he's cheating ! I would also suggest trying cardio exercises instead of weight training and stop the cheat day !
Aw he'll no. Cardio is great--I love it myself--but weight training maintains muscle mass. You can actually lose more lean muscle if you do too much cardio/do not adequately fuel your workouts.
You should do more weight training, MFP user Guy04.0 -
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madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Let me just clarify. I had him at the 2000 calorie mark when all this started. He has lowered his calorie intake on his own thinking it will help. I find it easier to just support him rather than argue with him. I let him make his own mistakes to learn from. I teach him what I can. It's up to him to do with the information as he will. I log for him so that at least I know his logging is accurate. I video his workouts so that at least I know his form is good and he's not hurting himself. I bring to him ideas, he decides if he wants to try them out. I'm only trying to bring him new ideas taht I may not have thought of.
me thinks it's time for him to take ownership- logging what he puts in his piehole isn't THAT much work. I can understand if you're the primary food worker in the house- weighing and pre-portioning- that's not really an issue.
But quiet honestly logging should fall on his shoulders. There is practically not one single good reason he cant' track himself. Either using an app or the old fashioned book method.
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madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Let me just clarify. I had him at the 2000 calorie mark when all this started. He has lowered his calorie intake on his own thinking it will help. I find it easier to just support him rather than argue with him. I let him make his own mistakes to learn from. I teach him what I can. It's up to him to do with the information as he will. I log for him so that at least I know his logging is accurate. I video his workouts so that at least I know his form is good and he's not hurting himself. I bring to him ideas, he decides if he wants to try them out. I'm only trying to bring him new ideas taht I may not have thought of.
me thinks it's time for him to take ownership- logging what he puts in his piehole isn't THAT much work. I can understand if you're the primary food worker in the house- weighing and pre-portioning- that's not really an issue.
But quiet honestly logging should fall on his shoulders. There is practically not one single good reason he cant' track himself. Either using an app or the old fashioned book method.
I think if he starts stalling a lot he will take over the weighing IF he is fully committed to losing the weight.0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.
But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.
We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.
What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.
Let me just clarify. I had him at the 2000 calorie mark when all this started. He has lowered his calorie intake on his own thinking it will help. I find it easier to just support him rather than argue with him. I let him make his own mistakes to learn from. I teach him what I can. It's up to him to do with the information as he will. I log for him so that at least I know his logging is accurate. I video his workouts so that at least I know his form is good and he's not hurting himself. I bring to him ideas, he decides if he wants to try them out. I'm only trying to bring him new ideas taht I may not have thought of.
me thinks it's time for him to take ownership- logging what he puts in his piehole isn't THAT much work. I can understand if you're the primary food worker in the house- weighing and pre-portioning- that's not really an issue.
But quiet honestly logging should fall on his shoulders. There is practically not one single good reason he cant' track himself. Either using an app or the old fashioned book method.
I think if he starts stalling a lot he will take over the weighing IF he is fully committed to losing the weight.
well I know I would. If something isn't working for me and I've left it up to someone else to take care of and that isn't working out- you're absolutely right- I take the reins back and do it myself.0 -
SergeantSausage wrote: »He's eating more than what you're weighing and portioning out to him.
One doesn't gain 10 pounds on a deficit - especially that kind of deficit (large) at 300 pounds. It's just not physically possible.
Find out about his extra, secret calories he's hiding.
This. He's eating in secret. And don't tell mr it isn't possible, I sneaked food for 28 years :-)
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I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. He is 6'3" and over 300 pounds, is eating 1600 calories a day enough? It is possible that his body may be going into starvation mode and storing every calorie.
http://www.coachcalorie.com/not-eating-enough-calories-to-lose-weight/
Also, do you take measurements weekly or monthly in addition or are you relying completely on the scale?0
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