So you want to start lifting? Great!

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  • Becca211H
    Becca211H Posts: 24 Member
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  • mdrichardsons
    mdrichardsons Posts: 83 Member
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  • giusa
    giusa Posts: 577 Member
    RECowgill wrote: »
    This is very good advice of course, I would go a bit further and simplify your list of information personally. There are lots of different exercises to do, but only 5 that someone who is new should do:

    * Back Squat --- http://youtu.be/dQFsSj2IUAo
    * Bench press --- http://youtu.be/34XRmd3a8_0
    * Deadlift --- http://youtu.be/nXfzWe-6t0w
    * Standing Overhead press
    * Bent over row
    (I'm adding in a few example vids that I like, but please do your own research).

    You already mentioned them, but I would really emphasize these 5. These 5 are the only lifts a new lifter needs to do. They are the most rudimentary lifts every lifter should know. It took me months to figure that out, wish I would've had someone spell that out for me in the beginning. Do these 5 and ignore everything else. Literally. Until you get good at them, everything else is wasting time.

    These 5 compounds can be a little bit scary for newbies, they were for me. I suggest you go on YouTube and search "how to" on each one (how to deadlift, how to bench, etc). Lots of good proper instruction will come up. Watch and learn at least a few videos on each move to get a sample for the different subtleties and nuances from different instructors.

    A word of advice: maybe you're a dude who thinks he knows how to do one of these already, like benching. You probably don't, actually. Learn from these people who really know what they're doing and please study proper form. Even if you think you know, review the basics. Do it periodically. The last thing you want when lifting is an injury.

    The worst thing you can do is copy what others do at the gym. Please don't, people at the gym don't know what they're doing. The reason: people don't study. They don't ask critical questions. Some do, most don't. If you copy others you see, listen to your boyfriend or whatever, odds are their knowledge is incomplete and probably bad. YouTube videos are your best crowd sourced knowledge base. Do your own research. Please get in the habit of researching and studying.

    I'd skip pushups, pull-ups, chin-ups and dips to start. They are good compounds sure, but many new people don't have the strength to do 1 pull-up. Build some strength using the 5 then start incorporating other compounds like those. Really, every exercise is superfluous outside of the basic 5 lifts. I'd also argue they just aren't as good, pull-ups are a good compound but they only work a subset if the body. Squats etc work the entire body, and really need to be learned first.

    And the sooner you do and learn the 5 compounds the better off you'll be. If you're serious about lifting it will take you years to master all 5. They inform so many other lifts (there are many variants of them, related lifts etc) and it's almost impossible to know them all. But to start it's really that simple, the more complex and deeper stuff will come later.

    And as some twins say, it's just advice. Do your own research and figure it out. ;)

  • beauchampsara
    beauchampsara Posts: 19 Member
    Great informative info! Gonna try. :)
  • giusa
    giusa Posts: 577 Member
    I've been running the SL program since March, would like to now focus on lower body, can anyone guide me to a program that works lower body? Or any other ideas/suggestions?
  • piperdown44
    piperdown44 Posts: 958 Member
    giusa wrote: »
    I've been running the SL program since March, would like to now focus on lower body, can anyone guide me to a program that works lower body? Or any other ideas/suggestions?

    Unsure of what you mean?? SL has you squatting 3x per week....that's pretty much focused on lower body?
    Do you mean extra accessory exercises?

  • giusa
    giusa Posts: 577 Member
    giusa wrote: »
    I've been running the SL program since March, would like to now focus on lower body, can anyone guide me to a program that works lower body? Or any other ideas/suggestions?

    Unsure of what you mean?? SL has you squatting 3x per week....that's pretty much focused on lower body?
    Do you mean extra accessory exercises?

    After looking over some of the programs, found what I was looking for, Strong Curves has several programs for full body and lower body.
  • gabrielsaucedo21
    gabrielsaucedo21 Posts: 50 Member
    As an additional alternative (if they are going the split route) I would recommend a Push/Pull/Legs split.

    Yes that works great for me the push/pull/leg day, just so you can focus on certain muscle groups.
  • jessiefrancine
    jessiefrancine Posts: 271 Member
    Bump. Because seeing activity in the lifting posts makes me happy. :smiley:
  • Karen_can_do_this
    Karen_can_do_this Posts: 1,150 Member
    I love this thread
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    chunkybutt1 Posts: 7 Member
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  • travelgirl77
    travelgirl77 Posts: 99 Member
    Thanks! Great tips.
  • Robbnva
    Robbnva Posts: 590 Member
    Fujiberry wrote: »
    Just a brief note/point that I wanted to make since I've seen a lot of friends offline make this mistake recently. :)

    If you just started or have been lifting for only a few months, don't do any of those split routines. Split routine meaning this:

    - Monday: Biceps, Chest [Bicep curls, dumbbell chest flys, ... ]
    - Tuesday: Hamstrings, Back [Cable Kickbacks, Good Mornings, ...]
    - Wednesday: Shoulders, Triceps [Shrugs, Tricep kickbacks, ... ]
    - etc, etc.

    You don't need those separate days. You don't need isolation exercises. Splits like that are for intermediates. A lot of isolation work won't do you a lot of good if you don't have a good muscle base. Think of them us 'touch-up work' or as the 'decoration' to your plain frosted cake.

    Focus on compound lifts.

    Compound Lifts:
    - bench
    - squat
    - deadlift
    - pull ups
    - rows
    - military press

    If you still want a split instead of a full body workout of compound lifts, do an upper/lower split, like this:

    Workout A: Upper
    - Bench
    - Pull ups
    - Rows
    - Military Press

    Workout B: Lower
    - Squat
    - Deadlift
    - Leg Press
    - Calf Raises

    Alternate, and workout every other day.

    If you have a great muscle imbalance where one side is very, very clearly so much stronger than the other, where one side is completely dominant (as in my fellow fencers out there), then feel free to add a bit of isolation/unilateral work to try and even yourself out.

    Have a good day, everyone~!


    Good beginner programs include:

    Starting Strength
    Strong Lifts
    New Rules of Lifting for Men/Women
    All Pro's
    Strong Curves

    Some are/can be free. Just look on google or at Bodybuilding.com


    Any other suggestions? :)

    So last year i started doing the strong lift and kind of got away from it. Don't really like doing deadlifts, rows, and even squats (with weights). So what other options do you or anyone else suggest? I can do body weight squats, I don't mind bench presses, can probably deal with dumbbell curls or something like that. Is there a beginner plan that doesn't involve a variation of strong lift or starting strength?
  • GR4H4M5
    GR4H4M5 Posts: 10 Member
    edited September 2015
    You can... but... compound exercises beat isolation hands down.
    This basic approach has been around for years and is still as valid today. It works.
    You can get a great workout and gains from a handfull of exercises twice a week. Not just beginners. Every level.

    I vary my excersies for fun and adding interest.
    But use this routine 90% of the time as it gives a great workout - particularly if you're pushed for time. Alternating push pull movements lets you give your all to each one.

    I don't squat due to an old back injury...

    Wed and Sat...
    Leg press (squat if you can)
    Calf raise
    Pulldown (chins if you are strong enough)
    Shoulder press
    Row
    Bench press

    I finish with some mat ab, core and stretching.

    Other days I alternate cardio and swimming for fitness.

    Work hard, eat well, rest.



  • Robbnva
    Robbnva Posts: 590 Member
    Forgot to come back to this, @GR4H4M5 ,is that stuff you listed done with cable machines?
  • Sam_I_Am77
    Sam_I_Am77 Posts: 2,093 Member
    Robbnva wrote: »
    Fujiberry wrote: »
    Just a brief note/point that I wanted to make since I've seen a lot of friends offline make this mistake recently. :)

    If you just started or have been lifting for only a few months, don't do any of those split routines. Split routine meaning this:

    - Monday: Biceps, Chest [Bicep curls, dumbbell chest flys, ... ]
    - Tuesday: Hamstrings, Back [Cable Kickbacks, Good Mornings, ...]
    - Wednesday: Shoulders, Triceps [Shrugs, Tricep kickbacks, ... ]
    - etc, etc.

    You don't need those separate days. You don't need isolation exercises. Splits like that are for intermediates. A lot of isolation work won't do you a lot of good if you don't have a good muscle base. Think of them us 'touch-up work' or as the 'decoration' to your plain frosted cake.

    Focus on compound lifts.

    Compound Lifts:
    - bench
    - squat
    - deadlift
    - pull ups
    - rows
    - military press

    If you still want a split instead of a full body workout of compound lifts, do an upper/lower split, like this:

    Workout A: Upper
    - Bench
    - Pull ups
    - Rows
    - Military Press

    Workout B: Lower
    - Squat
    - Deadlift
    - Leg Press
    - Calf Raises

    Alternate, and workout every other day.

    If you have a great muscle imbalance where one side is very, very clearly so much stronger than the other, where one side is completely dominant (as in my fellow fencers out there), then feel free to add a bit of isolation/unilateral work to try and even yourself out.

    Have a good day, everyone~!


    Good beginner programs include:

    Starting Strength
    Strong Lifts
    New Rules of Lifting for Men/Women
    All Pro's
    Strong Curves

    Some are/can be free. Just look on google or at Bodybuilding.com


    Any other suggestions? :)

    So last year i started doing the strong lift and kind of got away from it. Don't really like doing deadlifts, rows, and even squats (with weights). So what other options do you or anyone else suggest? I can do body weight squats, I don't mind bench presses, can probably deal with dumbbell curls or something like that. Is there a beginner plan that doesn't involve a variation of strong lift or starting strength?

    You're probably best off find a personal trainer that can work with you to determine what will work for you.
  • GR4H4M5
    GR4H4M5 Posts: 10 Member
    Robbnva wrote: »
    Forgot to come back to this, @GR4H4M5 ,is that stuff you listed done with cable machines?

    I tend to use machine's as they're quickest to set up and change weights... which helps you keep rest times between sets down - and let's you train quicker, which is handy if you you're pushed for time/on the way to work.

    Some people prefer racks and/or free weights.
    IMO it's more the choice of exercise than the platform you use that matters.

    Best way to find out what works for you is to experiment. Take bench press for example. Try it with free weights, barbell and bumbells. Try it in a power rack. Try machines.

    All have their pros and cons.
    Free weight barbell lets you move more naturally... but it's hard to train safely to failure on your own. We've all seen 'fail' vids of guys pinning themselves to the bench.

    Dumbells again allow for more natural movement - and arguably invovle more muscle to do the movement, due to the additional effort needed to balance the bells. But they may mean you can't shift as much weight.

    Racks and machines are safer, and may allow you to use more weight due to more stability, and might keep your form in check. Though sometimes they can force you into a line of movement that you may find a little unnatural though.

    Happy experimenting :-)

  • Morgaen73
    Morgaen73 Posts: 2,817 Member
    Great tips thanks
  • Working2BLean
    Working2BLean Posts: 386 Member
    Nice post and lots of great info

    I'm not a beginner.

    I follow that basic advice on compound exercises for my two days a week of lifting, sometimes only one day.

    I train for triathlons and find the compound exercises are the best way to preserve lean body mass when focusing on long rides or long run workouts during the week.

    There is something magical about a set of deadlifts and bench / shoulder presses to blast the upper body back into work shape

    I will admit to doing that drop set of standing dumbbell curls for the good feeling of a solid pump though

    Ha

  • lssmith1961
    lssmith1961 Posts: 8 Member
    In so I can keep the videos handy...


    Thanks for the advice! It's much appreciated!

  • JesmineDNCS
    JesmineDNCS Posts: 41 Member
    Great tips. Bumping for later
  • fatboystevefisher
    fatboystevefisher Posts: 7 Member
    Hi thanks for the great info, I'm a pretty solidly built person, large frame but I'm fat (being blunt), so my question is while I'm dieting I have been been concentrating on doing all cardio exercises and have lost 18lbs in four wks but would I burn more calories doing weights? I've been told I'm fairly muscly cos of my large frame but it's more mass than toned muscle if you know what I mean...?? I used to train a lot when I was younger and know I can bulk up fairy quickly but I have still got 3 stone of fat to loose.
    Any advice would be appreciated, weight or cardio for best fat loss I spose is the question or even a mixture of both??
  • martyqueen52
    martyqueen52 Posts: 1,120 Member
    Hi thanks for the great info, I'm a pretty solidly built person, large frame but I'm fat (being blunt), so my question is while I'm dieting I have been been concentrating on doing all cardio exercises and have lost 18lbs in four wks but would I burn more calories doing weights? I've been told I'm fairly muscly cos of my large frame but it's more mass than toned muscle if you know what I mean...?? I used to train a lot when I was younger and know I can bulk up fairy quickly but I have still got 3 stone of fat to loose.
    Any advice would be appreciated, weight or cardio for best fat loss I spose is the question or even a mixture of both??

    Weight lifting. But, I personally recommend at least 30 mins of cardio (you decide the type... Biking, walking, running, stair stepper, etc.) I do it daily just to keep my heart in check. You won't lose muscle or any of that crap. I powerlift in the USAPL and my strength hasn't bottomed out because I cardio every day.
  • Kerryatoon
    Kerryatoon Posts: 374 Member
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  • miss_aims
    miss_aims Posts: 64 Member
    Squats and deadlifts are my absolute favorite thing to do! I have no idea why people skip these!
  • T0M_K
    T0M_K Posts: 7,526 Member
    So i was going to start. strong lifts 5x5 looks alot like this. the question is, do i do 3 warm up sets of each before doing the 5 sets at a the same weight? how humbling this will be for a noob who hasn't ever lifted correctly let along lifted for years..now at 51 yrs old lol. oh well!
  • BillMcKay1
    BillMcKay1 Posts: 315 Member
    Tomk652015 wrote: »
    So i was going to start. strong lifts 5x5 looks alot like this. the question is, do i do 3 warm up sets of each before doing the 5 sets at a the same weight? how humbling this will be for a noob who hasn't ever lifted correctly let along lifted for years..now at 51 yrs old lol. oh well!

    If you are starting with the empty olympic bar I would maybe do a couple sets of body weight squats to get the blood flowing, then get under the bar and go. As you add some weight I would again add 1 or 2 quick warm up sets with an empty bar.
  • mikek7214
    mikek7214 Posts: 29 Member
    edited June 2016
    Nice info
  • kendahlj
    kendahlj Posts: 243 Member
    I guess I'm the contrarian here. Just started lifting and am doing a push/pull/leg split. For one, I play racquetball or tennis almost daily and doing leg workouts twice a week kill my game. Also some of the core exercises are included (squats, deadlift, rows and bench press). But the main thing is it's enjoyable and I stick to it. The best program IMO is one you're going to do for an extended period of time.
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