Diet soda
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Chayacandoit wrote: »what happens if I swap my water for diet caffein free coke? Am I still getting the adequate hydration?
Since this was the original question, can we agree that pure water is a superior source for hydration and a wholesale swap for diet soda is probably not a great idea? I'm a big fan of everything in moderation, which was a point made several times in this thread.
Personally, I think at best the jury is out on long term effects of diet sweeteners, but the verdict on water is in: It's darn good for you.
Who in here is advocating completely swapping water for diet soda?
There is nothing wrong with diet soda in moderation.
Also, I don't think I'd necessarily say that water is the "superior source of hydration" for 100% of people, 100% of the time. Sometimes, for my mental health, diet soda is my superior source of hydration. At times, I certainly enjoy a diet root beer much more than I enjoy a glass of water. Perhaps for a marathon-runner, an electrolyte drink is the superior source of hydration.
This stuff is not black and white, and you have to look at a person's overall diet and lifestyle - not just one food/beverage in a vacuum.1 -
OK, I'm sorry, but the people saying diet soda is OK to drink are just plain WRONG. Artificial sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin, and sucralose have been shown to have the same effect on your body as sugar. Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain.
"Researchers from the University of Texas found that over the course of about a decade, diet soda drinkers had a 70% greater increase in waist circumference compared with non-drinkers. And get this: participants who slurped down two or more sodas a day experienced a 500% greater increase. The way artificial sweeteners confuse the body may play a part, but another reason might be psychological, says Minnesota-based dietitian Cassie Bjork. When you know you're not consuming any liquid calories, it might be easier to justify that double cheeseburger or extra slice of pizza." - from health.com
Drinking one diet soda a day was associated with a 36% increased risk of metabolic syndrome and diabetes in a University of Minnesota study. Metabolic syndrome describes a cluster of conditions (including high blood pressure, elevated glucose levels, raised cholesterol, and large waist circumference) that put people at high risk for heart disease, stroke, and diabetes.
Or you can actually look at why aspertame is not so scary: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
And understand that coorelation =/= causation. Also, can you provide the link to that study?
And the bold is rather funny, because if that was true, I wouldn't have lost weight. @CyberEd312 (another mod) who drinks diet diet pepsi wouldn't have lose 300+ lbs.
Of course, because someone lost weight (and a massive amount of it) while drinking diet soda that completely negates the negative arguments against that poison.
Do you plan on backing up your thoughts with anything credible?
<<---By the way - from 255lbs to 175lbs in 9 months drinking 3 diet sodas per day... Where is that fat storage you mention?4 -
Yeah, if sucralose causes fat retention then it's probably saved my life. I'd have wasted away to nothing rather than losing only 116 pounds while drinking a couple of gallons of Mio water a day.OK, I'm sorry, but the people saying diet soda is OK to drink are just plain WRONG. Artificial sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin, and sucralose have been shown to have the same effect on your body as sugar. Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain.
"Researchers from the University of Texas found that over the course of about a decade, diet soda drinkers had a 70% greater increase in waist circumference compared with non-drinkers. And get this: participants who slurped down two or more sodas a day experienced a 500% greater increase. The way artificial sweeteners confuse the body may play a part, but another reason might be psychological, says Minnesota-based dietitian Cassie Bjork. When you know you're not consuming any liquid calories, it might be easier to justify that double cheeseburger or extra slice of pizza." - from health.com
Drinking one diet soda a day was associated with a 36% increased risk of metabolic syndrome and diabetes in a University of Minnesota study. Metabolic syndrome describes a cluster of conditions (including high blood pressure, elevated glucose levels, raised cholesterol, and large waist circumference) that put people at high risk for heart disease, stroke, and diabetes.
Or you can actually look at why aspertame is not so scary: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
And understand that coorelation =/= causation. Also, can you provide the link to that study?
And the bold is rather funny, because if that was true, I wouldn't have lost weight. @CyberEd312 (another mod) who drinks diet diet pepsi wouldn't have lose 300+ lbs.
Of course, because someone lost weight (and a massive amount of it) while drinking diet soda that completely negates the negative arguments against that poison.
Do you plan on backing up your thoughts with anything credible?
<<---By the way - from 255lbs to 175lbs in 9 months drinking 3 diet sodas per day... Where is that fat storage you mention?
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I used to drink 3-5 cans of coke zero per day and was hungry all the time. I'm down to 1 can per day and I'm drinking 6-8 cups of water daily. I'm not hungry all the time but, I think that has more to do with the fact I'm eating foods higher in fiber and protein. If I say I'm never going to drink it again, I feel like I'm setting myself up to binge. Do I think it's bad for me? Yes, but I've made a lot of positive changes for myself over the past few weeks, and they are changes I can live with. Focus on your positives and if enjoying your diet coke is helping you with your diet, drink up.
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stevencloser wrote: »Chayacandoit wrote: »what happens if I swap my water for diet caffein free coke? Am I still getting the adequate hydration?
Since this was the original question, can we agree that pure water is a superior source for hydration and a wholesale swap for diet soda is probably not a great idea? I'm a big fan of everything in moderation, which was a point made several times in this thread.
Personally, I think at best the jury is out on long term effects of diet sweeteners, but the verdict on water is in: It's darn good for you.
The effects of sweeteners have been studied for the past 3 decades or so. I think that's long enough for long term effects to be noticed. Unless you're scared you might get sick at 90 years old from it.
Wasn't long enough for margarine/trans fats. But hey, clearly the overwhelming response is "go for it". Monsanto thanks you all for you advocacy. IMHO, There is something seriously wrong with a message board that can't say water is better than diet soda. That doesn't even pass the giggle test.2 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Chayacandoit wrote: »what happens if I swap my water for diet caffein free coke? Am I still getting the adequate hydration?
Since this was the original question, can we agree that pure water is a superior source for hydration and a wholesale swap for diet soda is probably not a great idea? I'm a big fan of everything in moderation, which was a point made several times in this thread.
Personally, I think at best the jury is out on long term effects of diet sweeteners, but the verdict on water is in: It's darn good for you.
Who in here is advocating completely swapping water for diet soda?
There is nothing wrong with diet soda in moderation.
Also, I don't think I'd necessarily say that water is the "superior source of hydration" for 100% of people, 100% of the time. Sometimes, for my mental health, diet soda is my superior source of hydration. At times, I certainly enjoy a diet root beer much more than I enjoy a glass of water. Perhaps for a marathon-runner, an electrolyte drink is the superior source of hydration.
This stuff is not black and white, and you have to look at a person's overall diet and lifestyle - not just one food/beverage in a vacuum.
It was the posters original question.
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A rational way to understand the OP's question is that she means occasionally having some diet soda instead of water.
I suppose if you are someone given to extremes you would assume she meant drinking only diet soda, never water, but I think that's silly, so won't insult her by assuming that's what she's saying unless she specifically clarifies.0 -
But turning it into a referendum on Monsanto does pass the giggle test? Laughably wrong.stevencloser wrote: »Chayacandoit wrote: »what happens if I swap my water for diet caffein free coke? Am I still getting the adequate hydration?
Since this was the original question, can we agree that pure water is a superior source for hydration and a wholesale swap for diet soda is probably not a great idea? I'm a big fan of everything in moderation, which was a point made several times in this thread.
Personally, I think at best the jury is out on long term effects of diet sweeteners, but the verdict on water is in: It's darn good for you.
The effects of sweeteners have been studied for the past 3 decades or so. I think that's long enough for long term effects to be noticed. Unless you're scared you might get sick at 90 years old from it.
Wasn't long enough for margarine/trans fats. But hey, clearly the overwhelming response is "go for it". Monsanto thanks you all for you advocacy. IMHO, There is something seriously wrong with a message board that can't say water is better than diet soda. That doesn't even pass the giggle test.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »A rational way to understand the OP's question is that she means occasionally having some diet soda instead of water.
I suppose if you are someone given to extremes you would assume she meant drinking only diet soda, never water, but I think that's silly, so won't insult her by assuming that's what she's saying unless she specifically clarifies.
I hope you're right. Swap the term "water" for anything else and you would assume a wholesale swap.
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stevencloser wrote: »Chayacandoit wrote: »what happens if I swap my water for diet caffein free coke? Am I still getting the adequate hydration?
Since this was the original question, can we agree that pure water is a superior source for hydration and a wholesale swap for diet soda is probably not a great idea? I'm a big fan of everything in moderation, which was a point made several times in this thread.
Personally, I think at best the jury is out on long term effects of diet sweeteners, but the verdict on water is in: It's darn good for you.
The effects of sweeteners have been studied for the past 3 decades or so. I think that's long enough for long term effects to be noticed. Unless you're scared you might get sick at 90 years old from it.
Wasn't long enough for margarine/trans fats. But hey, clearly the overwhelming response is "go for it". Monsanto thanks you all for you advocacy. IMHO, There is something seriously wrong with a message board that can't say water is better than diet soda. That doesn't even pass the giggle test.
I will get my tinfoil hat ready.
Seriously, though, the fact that many of the posters here can answer OP's question comprehensively rather than with a black-and-white, fear mongering response, says a lot about their intelligence.
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"Swap all my water" wasn't the question. And, no, I wouldn't generally assume a wholesale swap, but a situational one, unless it were specified to be a wholesale swap.lemurcat12 wrote: »A rational way to understand the OP's question is that she means occasionally having some diet soda instead of water.
I suppose if you are someone given to extremes you would assume she meant drinking only diet soda, never water, but I think that's silly, so won't insult her by assuming that's what she's saying unless she specifically clarifies.
I hope you're right. Swap the term "water" for anything else and you would assume a wholesale swap.
I don't assume people are only going to be drinking tea when they ask the question in the context of tea, for example.
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Lesson learned: Don't get between an addict and their compulsion.0
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That is just a silly comment.Lesson learned: Don't get between an addict and their compulsion.
Just because people are saying drinking diet soda is not harmful does not mean they are addicted to it.
How about Lesson learned. Don't make nonsense claims with no scientific validity.
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Lesson learned: don't try to argue with the uninformed.
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I gave up diet soda and lost X pounds in the first month!
**fails to mention that they also were consuming less calories than they expended, but oh no, it was totallyyyyy the diet soda1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »A rational way to understand the OP's question is that she means occasionally having some diet soda instead of water.
I suppose if you are someone given to extremes you would assume she meant drinking only diet soda, never water, but I think that's silly, so won't insult her by assuming that's what she's saying unless she specifically clarifies.
I hope you're right. Swap the term "water" for anything else and you would assume a wholesale swap.
I never drank soda, diet or otherwise, but recently someone dropped off a few bottles and I tried it. I struggle to remember to drink, but somehow I craved the flavor of diet soda and ended up drinking three more cups than I would have otherwise. I have no intentions of swapping my water for soda, but wanted to know if it counted toward my daily hydration needs or was something to stay away from and avoid.
Thanks everyone for giving me tons of info to look at and make an educated decision.1 -
I guess if you can stand the taste...0
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ohmscheeks wrote: »I guess if you can stand the taste...
Well that goes for everything and. Just seems a silly thing to say.
Obviously if someone doesn't like the taste of diet soda ( or anything else) there is no point in consuming it.
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Great_Mazinga wrote: »I dropped 9 pounds my first week, and all I did was quit drinking diet soda. I was drinking over a liter a day at the time. It seemed to keep water on me, and I notice I don't crave sweets as much without it.
This is very true- and it must be addictive because even though I quit drinking it for a few weeks and had a visible change in my stomach- it was flat (never happened before) but yet I went right back to it... drinking a cherry coke zero right now!!! Thanks for reminding me what a good idea it is to quit! This is my last one LOL (never said that before!) ;-)0 -
DiabolicalColossus wrote: »In for "brain holes", "toxins", "chemicals", "poison" and all other scary names for artificial sweeteners.
Hold on, let me get my Diet Coke first.
I want my brain nice and porous so the ridiculousness goes right through it.
LOL
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OK, I'm sorry, but the people saying diet soda is OK to drink are just plain WRONG. Artificial sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin, and sucralose have been shown to have the same effect on your body as sugar. Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain.
"Researchers from the University of Texas found that over the course of about a decade, diet soda drinkers had a 70% greater increase in waist circumference compared with non-drinkers. And get this: participants who slurped down two or more sodas a day experienced a 500% greater increase. The way artificial sweeteners confuse the body may play a part, but another reason might be psychological, says Minnesota-based dietitian Cassie Bjork. When you know you're not consuming any liquid calories, it might be easier to justify that double cheeseburger or extra slice of pizza." - from health.com
Drinking one diet soda a day was associated with a 36% increased risk of metabolic syndrome and diabetes in a University of Minnesota study. Metabolic syndrome describes a cluster of conditions (including high blood pressure, elevated glucose levels, raised cholesterol, and large waist circumference) that put people at high risk for heart disease, stroke, and diabetes.
Too many variables in the control groups over the course of 10 years to come to this conclusion. Both before and after the study such as, What were there calorie intake before during and after, what kind of physical condition were they in before during and after, and what type of physical activity did they do before, during and after. Way too many variables and unknowns.
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I'd like to say that I'm reading this thread while drinking a Diet Coke, but the drink isn't cold and watering down a super hot drink with ice is never good
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...Monsanto thanks you all for you advocacy. IMHO, There is something seriously wrong with a message board that can't say water is better than diet soda. That doesn't even pass the giggle test.
Gotta love a board that promotes hard data over pop culture.
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/monsantos-past.aspx
Splenda is manufactured by Tate & Lyle in the UK and Johnson & Johnson in the US. You are confusing Splenda with Aspartame. Different products. Kraft foods manufactures macaroni and cheese and Mio.
Is tea better than coffee? If so, should we all ditch one over the other? Which milk is superior to all the others, and once we figure that out, should we advocate getting rid of the others?
Since I must monitor my fluid intake, my biggest hazard is boredom. If I limited my liquids to water alone, you'd have to lock me in the funny farm by now.
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Great_Mazinga wrote: »I dropped 9 pounds my first week, and all I did was quit drinking diet soda. I was drinking over a liter a day at the time. It seemed to keep water on me, and I notice I don't crave sweets as much without it.
You stopped drinking diet soda and it helped you create a 30,000+ calorie deficit in one week?5 -
diet coke is ok, but I don't use it as a replacement for pure water. Ok, drink the dcoke but drink your water,you will feel much better. If it is to boring try adding lemon/lome and ginger0
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This thread always bugged me and, yeah, I could've maybe handled myself better, but the idea that people would not acknowledge that water was better than diet soda simply blew my mind. So, here's apparently the latest information:
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/drink/why-you-should-stop-drinking-diet-soft-drink/news-story/4f54559d32586cddade9c0416c7539e20 -
This thread always bugged me and, yeah, I could've maybe handled myself better, but the idea that people would not acknowledge that water was better than diet soda simply blew my mind. So, here's apparently the latest information:
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/drink/why-you-should-stop-drinking-diet-soft-drink/news-story/4f54559d32586cddade9c0416c7539e2
It generally bothers me that people can't take it in context... it's not a one or the other. It's a both thing. Also, diet soda is largely water. So while I drink a lot of water, diet soda has allowed me to cut 600 calories out of my diet. I just really love the taste of soda and it helps keep me on track.5
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