The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?
Daily I drink 4 and a half pints of milk, one salty drink (oxo) a vitamin tablet, 2 pints of water, a cup of tea and I can also have one sachet of sugar free jelly if I wanted to, but I'm not a big fan of it so I don't regularly have that.
Man, I could never stick to that. If nothing else, you'll learn a lot of discipline over the next 3 weeks!
Lol exactly what I thought, surely if I can do this I can learn to eat healthy when I'm done right? I'd appreciate a bowl of plain lettuce right now 0 -
Labyrinthine93 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Are you going for weekly blood work or anything?
Also, what are they going to do after the 4 weeks? Have you seen an endocrinologist? And do they have you on medication for PCOS, like metformin.
Sorry I didn't see this. I'm not sure if I'll be going for weekly blood work.
No I haven't and no they pretty much told me I had it and sent me on my way
I've been trying for a kid but have had 3 miscarriages so they said I don't need medication because I don't have problems with getting pregnant. Not very helpful at all if I'm honest..
Indirect infertility. With PCOS some women get direct (not being able to get pregnant), or indirect (able to get pregnant, but not keep it) infertility. Funny enough, a lot of women have had success getting pregnant with these issues by exercising. Dropping weight will of course help if you are obese as mentioned above.
I'm 22. 5ft 2in. 189lbs starting from 262lbs with PCOS. There is hope.
My mother has PCOS as well, and she had indirect infertility problems. Several miscarriages. She had to have a hysterectomy two years ago due to cysts on her ovaries. I'm trying to keep that from happening to me.
Get a good plan together. Good luck on your journey.
Glad you know where I'm coming from! Yeah the doctors have told me that the symptoms often tend to calm down if I were at a healthy weight which has made me more determined than ever. It makes me feel better knowing Victoria Beckham has PCOS and is healthy with four kids! Thanks for your support 0 -
Does the 'nurse' phone her once a day to make sure she's still alive or something? I didn't get the impression from the OP that there was a lot of professional contact/supervision going on there. She seems really quite misinformed and on her own with this whole thing. Just my impression.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
The MFP and reddit friend I mentioned (Funchords), who was initially on a pre-surgery program but ultimately decided against it and lost 110 pounds using MFP, has reached out privately to the OP. I just wanted to take a second and thank him publicly for that. He's a guy who's wise and compassionate about this weight-loss stuff and is always willing to help others.
@weezybeezy91, I hope you have a great day at the zoo. That sounds like so much fun - I've been meaning to do the same with a couple of friends this month - I'm hoping it'll happen this weekend. Enjoy!
Hi there thanks for asking you're friend to contact me, I have spoke to him to thank him too
It was a lovely day out but very tired now! Feeding lamas can be tiring haha0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
When did OP say she was eating three Big Macs a day before beginning this diet?
She was just giving an example0 -
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
When did OP say she was eating three Big Macs a day before beginning this diet?
She was just giving an example
It's a silly example based on a false dichotomy. Either eat three Big Macs a day or live on milk?
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?
Daily I drink 4 and a half pints of milk, one salty drink (oxo) a vitamin tablet, 2 pints of water, a cup of tea and I can also have one sachet of sugar free jelly if I wanted to, but I'm not a big fan of it so I don't regularly have that.
OP what you originally linked us to was a vlcd diet that is used within the NHS. Part of that is the Cambridge diet, whih is recognised and also supplies you with all the correct nutrients as a supplement. This is whats described by Porefssor Lean. It also follows up the vlcd period with a move back to solid food and 2 years worth of support in deiting and weight control. Its a whole package.
What you describe above is not the same and sounds quite concerning. I am not sure you are good at describing accurately what it is you are on as id be surprised that someone on the NHS has you on a diet regime in the way you have described it. I think theres a lot of information missing that would throw a lot more light onto matters. I just dont see dieticians and GPs letting you be on a diet of milk and a vitamin pill. You mentioned you were at an obesity centre so presumably they have expertise, but it doesnt add up. Good luck and I will just presume the Drs know what they are doing ad theres just information we dont know about.0 -
29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
Yes, we in the US pay to go to the doctor. But here's the thing: doctors can be wrong too. Going to a second doctor when you've been diagnosed with a serious condition or are being told to go through a serious medical procedure should be allowed. Doctors in the UK probably won't recommend something to someone because it'll get them more money, but even without that, doctors can be wrong. They may not be current on whatever it is they diagnosing you as or their opinion might not be the best course for you. For general things, yeah, one doctor is fine. But if I was being considered for weight loss surgery or some other major medical procedure that wasn't an emergency, I would want a second opinion. Maybe there's an alternative that would work better that the first doctor doesn't know about. It does happen. Not trying to put down doctors; there's a LOT of medical information and GPs don't have the time to read up on everything. That's why there are specialists, and even specialists don't always keep caught up all the time.0 -
People are so negative... you have lost weight and you feel good about that and it is therefore working. Don't take any notice of others who say all that rubbish about hair falling out and you will feel ill etc. Being seriously overweight makes you feel crap too. Some people ( myself included) find it incredibly difficult to lose weight and lose patience with diets that result in very slow weight loss in us but great results for other people. We are all different with different metabolisms.
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People are so negative... you have lost weight and you feel good about that and it is therefore working. Don't take any notice of others who say all that rubbish about hair falling out and you will feel ill etc. Being seriously overweight makes you feel crap too. Some people ( myself included) find it incredibly difficult to lose weight and lose patience with diets that result in very slow weight loss in us but great results for other people. We are all different with different metabolisms.
Yes, different things work for different people, but there's a difference between following a different weight loss plan and doing something that can be dangerous to your health. Losing weight fast through fad diets almost never works as the weight comes back on after the diet is over and VLCDs can be dangerous for your health, even up to the point of causing death. OP is doing this under a doctor's care, and while I'm not happy with her description of what the doctor is doing, at least she'll be getting aftercare and will hopefully learn better eating habits afterwards.0 -
Yes, we in the US pay to go to the doctor. But here's the thing: doctors can be wrong too. Going to a second doctor when you've been diagnosed with a serious condition or are being told to go through a serious medical procedure should be allowed. Doctors in the UK probably won't recommend something to someone because it'll get them more money, but even without that, doctors can be wrong. They may not be current on whatever it is they diagnosing you as or their opinion might not be the best course for you. For general things, yeah, one doctor is fine. But if I was being considered for weight loss surgery or some other major medical procedure that wasn't an emergency, I would want a second opinion. Maybe there's an alternative that would work better that the first doctor doesn't know about. It does happen. Not trying to put down doctors; there's a LOT of medical information and GPs don't have the time to read up on everything. That's why there are specialists, and even specialists don't always keep caught up all the time.
You cna ask for a second opinion in the UK nothing to stop that.
The problem is you are relying on the information given by the OP, who has admitted she isnt the best at explaining herself. Getting weight loss surgery on the NHS isnt easy and its also expensive, which is another reason its difficul to get. What we do know is that she is morbidly obese, so at least meets one of the criteria if she wanted to pursue it. The alternative to weight loss surgery is one of the things she is trying now.Who can use weight loss surgery?
Weight loss surgery is only recommended for people with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or more, or a BMI of 35-40 and a serious health condition that could be improved if you lose weight, such as type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure.
The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) also recommends that weight loss surgery should only be offered on the NHS if all the following conditions apply:
You've tried all the appropriate non-surgical methods, such as diet and exercise, but failed to achieve or maintain a beneficial level of weight loss.
You've been receiving or will receive intensive management from a multidisciplinary team of specialists led by a clinician – see getting ready for surgery.
You agree to commit to long-term follow-up treatment after surgery at a specialised obesity service.
You're fit and healthy enough to withstand anaesthesia and surgery.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.
Lol it is kind of creepy. Yeah definitely, I try to stay positive seeing all the weight I've lost but it's hard when people say 'you do know it's just water right?' all comments like that are doing is just knocking me off a bit (even if it is true) but ergh I'm trying not to let it bother me, just shake it off and carry on
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People are so negative... you have lost weight and you feel good about that and it is therefore working. Don't take any notice of others who say all that rubbish about hair falling out and you will feel ill etc. Being seriously overweight makes you feel crap too. Some people ( myself included) find it incredibly difficult to lose weight and lose patience with diets that result in very slow weight loss in us but great results for other people. We are all different with different metabolisms.
Definitely! I was doing more damage to my health eating the way I was than on this. Thanks for the support 0 -
People are so negative... you have lost weight and you feel good about that and it is therefore working. Don't take any notice of others who say all that rubbish about hair falling out and you will feel ill etc. Being seriously overweight makes you feel crap too. Some people ( myself included) find it incredibly difficult to lose weight and lose patience with diets that result in very slow weight loss in us but great results for other people. We are all different with different metabolisms.
Negativity is in the perception.
When it comes to CICO, it's the same for everybody: eat less than you burn and you will lose weight.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »IP is the obesity centre giving you some supplements, powders, soups to take with your milk or are you claiming you are drinking 800 cals of straight milk a day? What does your diet consist of?
Daily I drink 4 and a half pints of milk, one salty drink (oxo) a vitamin tablet, 2 pints of water, a cup of tea and I can also have one sachet of sugar free jelly if I wanted to, but I'm not a big fan of it so I don't regularly have that.
OP what you originally linked us to was a vlcd diet that is used within the NHS. Part of that is the Cambridge diet, whih is recognised and also supplies you with all the correct nutrients as a supplement. This is whats described by Porefssor Lean. It also follows up the vlcd period with a move back to solid food and 2 years worth of support in deiting and weight control. Its a whole package.
What you describe above is not the same and sounds quite concerning. I am not sure you are good at describing accurately what it is you are on as id be surprised that someone on the NHS has you on a diet regime in the way you have described it. I think theres a lot of information missing that would throw a lot more light onto matters. I just dont see dieticians and GPs letting you be on a diet of milk and a vitamin pill. You mentioned you were at an obesity centre so presumably they have expertise, but it doesnt add up. Good luck and I will just presume the Drs know what they are doing ad theres just information we dont know about.
Hmmm I wish I could attach a picture so I could show you the leaflets I have about it, it doesn't identify what type of diet is other than LCLD. I've been searching for it everywhere online I thought the link I posted was it as it sounded just like mine. Maybe it's new? Not sure but thank you I'll definitely let everyone know how I get on at my next appointment and thank you for trying to understand my diet instead of just jumping down my throat (although admittedly my bad explaining probably had alot to do with that too) 0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
When did OP say she was eating three Big Macs a day before beginning this diet?
She was just giving an example
It's a silly example based on a false dichotomy. Either eat three Big Macs a day or live on milk?
What she meant was it's better than eating unhealthily, she just used big Macs as an example of unhealthy eating. I still get all my vitamins and if anything I honestly do feel better. Sounds pathetic but I actually managed to walk up the stairs and put my shoes on for the first time in ages without feeling out of breath.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.
Also you hear so many stories of gastric bands slipping, the thought makes me shudder
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.
Lol it is kind of creepy. Yeah definitely, I try to stay positive seeing all the weight I've lost but it's hard when people say 'you do know it's just water right?' all comments like that are doing is just knocking me off a bit (even if it is true) but ergh I'm trying not to let it bother me, just shake it off and carry on
it's physically impossible that it's all water, being on so low calories. some of it is fat. i lost 35 lbs in 3 months...which was kind of a mistake, way too fast, but it obviously wasn't all water because it didn't come back. it's just that weight loss does slow down after the first couple weeks. (in my case, months, because i had no idea i was so active...oops)
some of it may be muscle, but that can be fixed by weight lifting. well, after you get cleared...lol. i bet if you talked to your doctor and asked about trying to lose weight by yourself, without surgery, and using a food scale, they could help you figure out a good plan. after all, 1200 calories is 1200 calories, whether it comes from junk, liquid, whole foods, etc. the biggest eye-opener for me, seriously, was weighing my food and realizing how far off i was in my estimations.
i've paid attention closely, though, and while i still weigh my foods, usually what i throw on the scale is almost dead-on in grams based on what i thought it was just eyeing it up. which will help when it comes to maintenance!
eta: you can add me if you want...(not sure if you did or not....haven't checked anything and here i am, sitting in a bar letting my laptop charge before i go back to my college for orientation...lol)0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »loulou2006 wrote: »I haven't read every post on this thread, however I get the general idea by just reading a few. I say go for it if it makes you feel good and be positive about your future!! So many times I see such judge mental comments. I am sure someone (a person that is never wrong and who's sole job, on this earth, is to tell others how wrong they are) will find it necessary to respond with an angry comment. In the end... Is it really wrong to trade eating three Big Mac (go large) a day any less harmful than this liquid diet that makes the op feel better about herself and hopefully move toward better choices? Ok your turn, go ahead and attack.
When did OP say she was eating three Big Macs a day before beginning this diet?
She was just giving an example
It's a silly example based on a false dichotomy. Either eat three Big Macs a day or live on milk?
What she meant was it's better than eating unhealthily, she just used big Macs as an example of unhealthy eating. I still get all my vitamins and if anything I honestly do feel better. Sounds pathetic but I actually managed to walk up the stairs and put my shoes on for the first time in ages without feeling out of breath.
I'm not sure what you mean by eating "unhealthily," but if your calorie consumption is so low that you are being advised not to engage in physical activities, I can't imagine this is much better.
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Yes, we in the US pay to go to the doctor. But here's the thing: doctors can be wrong too. Going to a second doctor when you've been diagnosed with a serious condition or are being told to go through a serious medical procedure should be allowed. Doctors in the UK probably won't recommend something to someone because it'll get them more money, but even without that, doctors can be wrong. They may not be current on whatever it is they diagnosing you as or their opinion might not be the best course for you. For general things, yeah, one doctor is fine. But if I was being considered for weight loss surgery or some other major medical procedure that wasn't an emergency, I would want a second opinion. Maybe there's an alternative that would work better that the first doctor doesn't know about. It does happen. Not trying to put down doctors; there's a LOT of medical information and GPs don't have the time to read up on everything. That's why there are specialists, and even specialists don't always keep caught up all the time.
You cna ask for a second opinion in the UK nothing to stop that.
The problem is you are relying on the information given by the OP, who has admitted she isnt the best at explaining herself. Getting weight loss surgery on the NHS isnt easy and its also expensive, which is another reason its difficul to get. What we do know is that she is morbidly obese, so at least meets one of the criteria if she wanted to pursue it. The alternative to weight loss surgery is one of the things she is trying now.
Yes, I am going on what she says, which I'm reading as her doing this diet just based on what one doctor said to do. My point is that anything that will drastically change your life should be double checked by a second opinion, just in case.0 -
Yes, we in the US pay to go to the doctor. But here's the thing: doctors can be wrong too. Going to a second doctor when you've been diagnosed with a serious condition or are being told to go through a serious medical procedure should be allowed. Doctors in the UK probably won't recommend something to someone because it'll get them more money, but even without that, doctors can be wrong. They may not be current on whatever it is they diagnosing you as or their opinion might not be the best course for you. For general things, yeah, one doctor is fine. But if I was being considered for weight loss surgery or some other major medical procedure that wasn't an emergency, I would want a second opinion. Maybe there's an alternative that would work better that the first doctor doesn't know about. It does happen. Not trying to put down doctors; there's a LOT of medical information and GPs don't have the time to read up on everything. That's why there are specialists, and even specialists don't always keep caught up all the time.
You cna ask for a second opinion in the UK nothing to stop that.
The problem is you are relying on the information given by the OP, who has admitted she isnt the best at explaining herself. Getting weight loss surgery on the NHS isnt easy and its also expensive, which is another reason its difficul to get. What we do know is that she is morbidly obese, so at least meets one of the criteria if she wanted to pursue it. The alternative to weight loss surgery is one of the things she is trying now.
Yes, I am going on what she says, which I'm reading as her doing this diet just based on what one doctor said to do. My point is that anything that will drastically change your life should be double checked by a second opinion, just in case.
The other point I thought of was that a team of people would have to sanction weight loss surgery niot just her GP but the surgeon as well so there wuld be lots of checks and they would refuse if its unsuitable. We dont really know the OPs history, shes excited because shes lost quickly, but ofc it should be quick considering its a vlcd. I just think theres a lot of incomplete info which might make it easier to understand. Presumably if the OP has failed at all other methods and she is at risk, then getting rid of the weight is a priority to avoid diabetes, it then gives her a chance to go back to more traditional methods. I'd be surprised if she wasnt monitored and it wasnt a full program because she claims they are specialists, they arent in it for money, nit they wouldnt hold themselves open to being sued for no reason. Wouldnt make sense. If the liquid diet helps remove surgery as an option and she goes back o long term weight loss and traditional methods hen good luck to her.0 -
I thin you might be someone who is demotivated really quickly with your being a bit sad that the initial loss won't all be fat. If you're to be successful you must not let these things derail you, there will be weeks you lose absolutely nothing and you can't allow that to throw you off and throw in the towel. I can go three weeks without a loss but I know I'm doing all the right things and it's just the nature of the beast, it will come off eventually.
Along with the food scale, buy yourself a tape measure so you can track your body measurements too. Don't be a slave to the scale. Be realistic with your goals.
And whilst you're on this slightly bonkers liquid diet research research research. Get all of the information you need to be a success, read the success stories, look into progressive walking/running and resistance training programmes. Give yourself the best possible chance of success.0 -
29_adjacent wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I love my Doctor and would be happy to recommend any one in Lincoln, NE see, Michael Sayers MD. I am happy with Bryan Medical Centers, the hospitals were I have been treated. I love my Physical Therapist, Danna Smith at Center for Spine and Sports Medicine. It must really be different there in the UK, here in the US giving out the names of great medical providers is encouraged by the medical providers. I am shocked that anyone thinks it would be imprudent to share the names of professionals and facilities who provide medical care.
I imagine that's because they want extra business, right? That's not how our healthcare works in the UK. We don't "shop around" for our healthcare - we just go to one of our local GPs/hospitals. We don't have TV commercials for cancer drugs etc telling us to ask our doctor to prescribe that particular drug - our doctors prescribe what they think is best for us. We don't pay for most healthcare (there are exceptions like prescriptions from your GP, although those are also 'free' in Scotland where I live) in the same way people in the US do. We 'pay' through our taxes and then get 'free' healthcare when we need it - no having to worry about finding thousands of pounds to pay for cancer treatment etc should we need it or having insurance to cover it. I don't see what the benefit would be of the OP giving out the name of her doctor/nurse? How would everyone here knowing the name of some doctor/nurse in some hospital somewhere in the UK make any difference?
Yes, we in the US pay to go to the doctor. But here's the thing: doctors can be wrong too. Going to a second doctor when you've been diagnosed with a serious condition or are being told to go through a serious medical procedure should be allowed. Doctors in the UK probably won't recommend something to someone because it'll get them more money, but even without that, doctors can be wrong. They may not be current on whatever it is they diagnosing you as or their opinion might not be the best course for you. For general things, yeah, one doctor is fine. But if I was being considered for weight loss surgery or some other major medical procedure that wasn't an emergency, I would want a second opinion. Maybe there's an alternative that would work better that the first doctor doesn't know about. It does happen. Not trying to put down doctors; there's a LOT of medical information and GPs don't have the time to read up on everything. That's why there are specialists, and even specialists don't always keep caught up all the time.
Oh totally doctors can be wrong/ill-informed/etc. But just because we don't 'pay' for our healthcare in the UK doesn't mean we have to just accept whatever the first doctor we see says - we can ask for a second opinion and/or we can ask to be referred to a specialist (I have done this myself and was not refused). We can change GPs if we're not happy with ours and we can also pay for private healthcare if we so choose.
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Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.
Lol it is kind of creepy. Yeah definitely, I try to stay positive seeing all the weight I've lost but it's hard when people say 'you do know it's just water right?' all comments like that are doing is just knocking me off a bit (even if it is true) but ergh I'm trying not to let it bother me, just shake it off and carry on
it's physically impossible that it's all water, being on so low calories. some of it is fat. i lost 35 lbs in 3 months...which was kind of a mistake, way too fast, but it obviously wasn't all water because it didn't come back. it's just that weight loss does slow down after the first couple weeks. (in my case, months, because i had no idea i was so active...oops)
some of it may be muscle, but that can be fixed by weight lifting. well, after you get cleared...lol. i bet if you talked to your doctor and asked about trying to lose weight by yourself, without surgery, and using a food scale, they could help you figure out a good plan. after all, 1200 calories is 1200 calories, whether it comes from junk, liquid, whole foods, etc. the biggest eye-opener for me, seriously, was weighing my food and realizing how far off i was in my estimations.
i've paid attention closely, though, and while i still weigh my foods, usually what i throw on the scale is almost dead-on in grams based on what i thought it was just eyeing it up. which will help when it comes to maintenance!
eta: you can add me if you want...(not sure if you did or not....haven't checked anything and here i am, sitting in a bar letting my laptop charge before i go back to my college for orientation...lol)
Wow I'll be honest that is ridiculously fast! Amazed/happy you didn't put it all back on too. Yeah weighing foods sounds like a great idea, I bet you I'll be way off too. Sure I'll give you an add 0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I thin you might be someone who is demotivated really quickly with your being a bit sad that the initial loss won't all be fat. If you're to be successful you must not let these things derail you, there will be weeks you lose absolutely nothing and you can't allow that to throw you off and throw in the towel. I can go three weeks without a loss but I know I'm doing all the right things and it's just the nature of the beast, it will come off eventually.
Along with the food scale, buy yourself a tape measure so you can track your body measurements too. Don't be a slave to the scale. Be realistic with your goals.
And whilst you're on this slightly bonkers liquid diet research research research. Get all of the information you need to be a success, read the success stories, look into progressive walking/running and resistance training programmes. Give yourself the best possible chance of success.
Thank you for you're advice and thanks for making me feel more positive about losing weight. 17 days to go and I'll be joining everyone with the weighing food definitely will get a tape measure too as like you said, your weight can mean you've lost 3 different things but measurements are measurements 0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »thorsmom01 wrote: »I started around the ops weight.I was miserable and hated the way I looked. I went to my doctor and told him I couldn't lose weight. He said ," your eating more then you think. Weight loss comes down to calories" so I had to face the facts , and stop making excuses. Finally , I ate at a reasonable yet responsible deficit. I enjoyed the foods I loved , and learned portion control. I weighed my foods on a food scale. I learned how to hit my macros and give my body the nutrients it needs .
I'm now 135lbs. No surgery . No liquid diets . no fad diets. no mlm marketing products .
It took hard work . I learned everything I needed for long term success.
Often people who take the easy way out, end up back in the same situation again.
i wanted to chime in with 2 things on this: 1. this isn't the easy way out that most people think it is, lol. that's why they end up in the situation they're in.
and 2. i know at least 2 people who have had weight loss surgery that learned nothing from it and have regained all the weight. in fact, one person had it 3 times (she had lap-band surgery), but sheesh, once should be enough.
my doctor offered it to me and i declined....i just said nope, if you can't figure out what is wrong with me, then i will figure everything out on my own. i was seeing a registered dietician who is also a doctor, and once we finally figured out what was wrong, the weight came off. slowly, but i'd rather slowly than never.
almost 50 pounds down now, and about 25 to go....started at 217 lbs. i'm not perfect, i slip up, but i'm very glad i repeatedly declined weight loss surgery....the hard work is mostly more mental than physical. i could never do a liquid diet, although i understand that the doctors put you on it. but i learned from everything i went through without the nasty side effects of surgery.
Glad you stayed clear of it, I hope I won't need it either. I'm more determined than I ever have been to do it on my own, fingers crossed!
i have faith in you. you won't NEED it, you're already losing weight, right? that's the best motivation ever. seriously.
i'm so glad i stayed away from the complications...my aunt had it, and i saw what she went through, although it has worked for her. the other 2 people i mentioned, it didn't work for because they didn't learn how to eat properly or care.
these forums have a wealth of information. i know some people can come across as really nasty, but if you can get past that, you can learn a lot and avoid the surgery. and always be your own best advocate with your doctors...i know that US doctors are in it for the money, but like someone else said, they are also not always right. i'm going through that right now with my husband, although it's a heart condition with him. it's rough.
i hope you decide to stick around and see how far you can go all by yourself with just this tool
eta what's up with the grinning face on here? it's creepy.
Lol it is kind of creepy. Yeah definitely, I try to stay positive seeing all the weight I've lost but it's hard when people say 'you do know it's just water right?' all comments like that are doing is just knocking me off a bit (even if it is true) but ergh I'm trying not to let it bother me, just shake it off and carry on
it's physically impossible that it's all water, being on so low calories. some of it is fat. i lost 35 lbs in 3 months...which was kind of a mistake, way too fast, but it obviously wasn't all water because it didn't come back. it's just that weight loss does slow down after the first couple weeks. (in my case, months, because i had no idea i was so active...oops)
some of it may be muscle, but that can be fixed by weight lifting. well, after you get cleared...lol. i bet if you talked to your doctor and asked about trying to lose weight by yourself, without surgery, and using a food scale, they could help you figure out a good plan. after all, 1200 calories is 1200 calories, whether it comes from junk, liquid, whole foods, etc. the biggest eye-opener for me, seriously, was weighing my food and realizing how far off i was in my estimations.
i've paid attention closely, though, and while i still weigh my foods, usually what i throw on the scale is almost dead-on in grams based on what i thought it was just eyeing it up. which will help when it comes to maintenance!
eta: you can add me if you want...(not sure if you did or not....haven't checked anything and here i am, sitting in a bar letting my laptop charge before i go back to my college for orientation...lol)
Wow I'll be honest that is ridiculously fast! Amazed/happy you didn't put it all back on too. Yeah weighing foods sounds like a great idea, I bet you I'll be way off too. Sure I'll give you an add
i've learned a lot, that's probably the only reason i didn't put it back on. i still have some to go, so i'm still weighing foods...but i've been pretty slack and maintaining instead of losing lately, or just not losing as fast as i have mfp set to...lol0 -
Third Brit who is genuinely shocked that the NHS have even floated the option of surgery as well.
Im only on page 6 so no doubt this has been covered - a lot of hospitals get paid for what they do. There is a going rate on various operations, and so it is possible they were trying to make a profit as some of the americans in the thread suggested.
The NHS is free to us Brits, but the way it is run the various hospital trusts (incl private places that get sent NHS "work") are in it to make money.
Ive even seen one trust trying to sell a stupid spreadsheet with a pretty graph to another for thousands and thousand of pounds!0
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